Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

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Ms. D Romano was not accounted for. Ms. D Romano's PHONE was accounted for.

Correct Sheriff Gore confirmed this at the November 17, 2011 briefing. Here is a source.

GORE: I forgot what the question was.

REPORTER: Dina on surveillance tape?

GORE: [Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.

https://viewer.zoho.com/download?genFile=yea8bh
 
Correct Sheriff Gore confirmed this at the November 17, 2011 briefing. Here is a source.

GORE: I forgot what the question was.

REPORTER: Dina on surveillance tape?

GORE: [Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.

https://viewer.zoho.com/download?genFile=yea8bh

Which means they know exactly where her cell phone was. I presume she isn't physically attached to her phone, though.
 
MyBelle, I agree with everything you have written. The odds were not against him surviving from get go...the paramedics were able to restart circulation within two rounds of medication.
The specialists initially thought he would make it. I believe help was not called when stated, and that was why he did not survive because of a lack of oxygen. You are completely right, it is not ok for a grown adult woman to stand around and do nothing, or do something else instead of calling for help.
C.P.R., no C.P.R. it does not matter. The bottom line is, she told many different stories to many different people, avoided every question about the accident, and acted very suspiciously. In the police car, she stated to X<modsnip>, "Dina is going to kill me." Why would she state that if she were just an innocent bystander when the child "fell"? She did not remember how she had found Maxie, and she did not know what happened, but when Nina asked her where the fall happened from, she pointed at the bedroom...the bedroom which only contained hers and Max's fingerprints. When the paramedics arrived, she remembered enough to blame the dog, and to say that Max was not asked to ride his scooter upstairs. How would somebody who was taking a shower at the time of this fatal "fall" and hypothetically was too in shock to give c.p.r., be able to come to a conclusion of how the child ended up in that condition in the two minutes it would have taken for paramedics to arrive?
Doesn't sound right to me.

Rebecca was not in the shower per the SDSO 9/2/11 press conference.

REPORTER: Do you know how long it took for her to respond from the restroom to the boy on the floor? Was she in the shower? Did she go right over there?

LAWTON: She was in the restroom not in the shower -- that really would've been moments as the restroom was within feet of the stairwell. How soon did the phone calls come in in relation to the time she found him? We believe it was within a minute or two and we are not certain and neither are they -- they were in a very emotional situation.

Video @ link- http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html
 
Is Jonah an all or nothing type guy? I'm sure he wouldn't totally dismiss his intended's death. That would seem highly unusual, no?

He must have had his wits about him if he was able to arrange for his brother and Dr.Luber to come into town. Didn't he also have contact with a PR firm sometime thereabouts? Don't remember when that happened.

Also,iirc, he make some type of statement to assure stockholders that he was alright shortly afterwards. It was in one of the early articles.

Anyway, the point being I think you sell Jonah short by insinuating he wasn't able to function at all. I'm sure his functioning was reduced but he was still capable of attending to other matters besides Max's devastating condition.

So, yes it is highly unusual that he did not respond to his intended's death and subsequent and unprotected exposure to press photos and gawking teenagers.

No one said he 'dismissed' her death. But it probably paled in comparison with what he was feeling towards Maxie's situation. You cannot compare the love one has for their child to the feelings towards a girlfriend of a couple years. imo

"Arrange' for his brother to come into town? What does that mean? Wouldn't he just call his brother and tell him of the accident and his brother takes the next flight he can? Same with his doctor friend. I don't see that taking much 'arranging.'

As for the statement to his stockholders, that was probably what the PR team was for. And again, one phone call, not a lot of arranging would be necessary.

And I never said he was 'not able to function at all.' Don't put words into my mouth, please. I said he was probably feeling overwhelmed with his son's imminent death. And so his girlfriend's suicide was probably not his prime concern at that time. I don't think teenagers gawking even was even on his radar at the time.
 
MyBelle, I agree with everything you have written. The odds were not against him surviving from get go...the paramedics were able to restart circulation within two rounds of medication.
The specialists initially thought he would make it. I believe help was not called when stated, and that was why he did not survive because of a lack of oxygen. You are completely right, it is not ok for a grown adult woman to stand around and do nothing, or do something else instead of calling for help.
C.P.R., no C.P.R. it does not matter. The bottom line is, she told many different stories to many different people, avoided every question about the accident, and acted very suspiciously. In the police car, she stated to X<modsnip>, "Dina is going to kill me." Why would she state that if she were just an innocent bystander when the child "fell"? She did not remember how she had found Maxie, and she did not know what happened, but when Nina asked her where the fall happened from, she pointed at the bedroom...the bedroom which only contained hers and Max's fingerprints. When the paramedics arrived, she remembered enough to blame the dog, and to say that Max was not asked to ride his scooter upstairs. How would somebody who was taking a shower at the time of this fatal "fall" and hypothetically was too in shock to give c.p.r., be able to come to a conclusion of how the child ended up in that condition in the two minutes it would have taken for paramedics to arrive?
Doesn't sound right to me.

Hi Jessica! Besides Nina can you provide a source to these many different people and their stories? TIA

In my opinion RZ did not draw a conclusion. She was only giving details of what occurred after she heard the crash and prior. Sheriff Gore made some conclusions. Who gave LE the information about what the children frequently did? RZ was deceased.

GORE: Nobody here, none of the investigators or the medical examiners or the biomechanics expert we had look at this is suggesting that Max went to that railing and threw himself over. The best we can come up with is his body weight and the force it would've taken to go across that area to the chandelier and impact the railing on the other side is that he was running down the hall, which we were frequently told that they, the children, played in that area, and something caused him to trip; whether it was a ball, whether it was the dog, or something -- he then tripped and fell over that railing, grabbing the chandelier, twisting him around to where his back impacted on the railing on the other side, went down to his knees, and then to his head. Without that being with us that's the best theory we can come up with -- the medical examiner and the investigators, the forensics involved -- as to what happened to cause Max's death. Now I would like to turn it over to Sgt. Dave Nemeth from our homicide unit who will discuss the death of Rebecca Zahau.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html
 
Which means they know exactly where her cell phone was. I presume she isn't physically attached to her phone, though.

I haven't seen anywhere about the time they placed her phone at the hospital. Were they claiming it was there for the entire night (the time period she claimed to be at the hospital) or were they basing that on one call. Rebecca's TOD was probably not very exact either.
 
The whole situation with this supposed message is hinky to me. They were waiting for an MRI the next morning. So I have absolutely no idea what could have worsened in the middle of the night for him to call and leave that supposed message, considering he just saw her and his brother at dinner.
But assuming he did want to tell her something worsened, he could have left her a message asking to call him back.
And the scene wasn't inside, it was outside. She lay there naked for everyone to see.

Wasn't the door that was painted, where the paintbrush and knives were found, where the rope was tied on the bed INSIDE? And wasn't the entire house searched for evidence/ signs of forced entry?


As far as the phone call, one can only speculate, but if I call someone's cell phone I always leave a voice mail rather than hanging up, which I consider rude because the number will be shown as a missed call.
 
I am readin Dina's investigation reports and it says this..

o'...the railing height along the second floor hallway was approximately six inches above the standing center of gravity for someone of Max's...height."s

B. "...testing conducted to determine appropriate guardrail heights has demonstrated that the height of the hip joint relative to the railing height may be more related to whether a fall over the railing may occur.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachm...1344524908

Were these two points of interest applied in Rebecca's death? Was Rebecca's hip joint at the appropriate heitght?

Was Rebecca's hip joint a relative height off the floor, in order for her to topple over, or was she too short for this to occur?
 
Why did Jonas put his daughter on the next flight out? Also, why did his brother leave so quickly? I would think he would need them there for emotional support.
 
Originally Posted by Tink56

BBM and snipped for focus

Are you suggesting that Rebecca was "forbidden" to attend Max's school functions and soccer games if Dina was present?

Once again, this is first I've heard of this. Whose "rule" was this? Was this just for the dating period or ???? Frankly, this seems a little spiteful to me.

@Tink56- This information was actually states by Dina at her press conference.

IIRC RZ being left alone with Maxie was discussed at the p/c. Rebecca not being allowed to attend school functions was NOT mentioned at the presser. It was almost a week, July 12th, before the p/c that the first info began to leak about Dina in MSM news articles. This particular detail was to be revealed in the Phoenix Magazine article Boy, Interrupted.

Snip- Dina also reveals to the magazine that she and Jonah agreed on certain rules for Rebecca regarding Max. She tells the Outhier that Rebecca was not allowed to attend school functions, not allowed to take Max across state lines, and not allowed to babysit him alone while other Zahau family members were present.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...i-boy-who-died-at-coronado-home#ixzz23LweDmLP
 
IIRC RZ being left alone with Maxie was discussed at the p/c. Rebecca not being allowed to attend school functions was NOT mentioned at the presser. It was almost a week, July 12th, before the p/c that the first info began to leak about Dina in MSM news articles. This particular detail was to be revealed in the Phoenix Magazine article Boy, Interrupted.

Snip- Dina also reveals to the magazine that she and Jonah agreed on certain rules for Rebecca regarding Max. She tells the Outhier that Rebecca was not allowed to attend school functions, not allowed to take Max across state lines, and not allowed to babysit him alone while other Zahau family members were present.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...i-boy-who-died-at-coronado-home#ixzz23LweDmLP


Wow ... that sounds like she was not allowed to attend any school functions? That's ridiculous. If Dina is putting all this out, then where is the justification for excluding Rebecca from a big part of Maxie's life and why would school functions be any different that Rebecca going to other functions where Dina might be present or going to functions with Jonah and Max where Dina is not present - for instance, I do not believe Dina was invited to Jonah's son's Bar Mitzvah unless someone can identify her int hat group picture. I fail to also see any evidence there was a legal agreement to the school function thing, perhaps Dina did not want the school folks to get to know Rebecca (or she didn't want to be compared to a younger wife). This might also give the people at the school the impression that either Jonah didn't have anyone in his life or that Rebecca didn't care.
 
IIRC RZ being left alone with Maxie was discussed at the p/c. Rebecca not being allowed to attend school functions was NOT mentioned at the presser. It was almost a week, July 12th, before the p/c that the first info began to leak about Dina in MSM news articles. This particular detail was to be revealed in the Phoenix Magazine article Boy, Interrupted.

Snip- Dina also reveals to the magazine that she and Jonah agreed on certain rules for Rebecca regarding Max. She tells the Outhier that Rebecca was not allowed to attend school functions, not allowed to take Max across state lines, and not allowed to babysit him alone while other Zahau family members were present.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...i-boy-who-died-at-coronado-home#ixzz23LweDmLP

BBM: and this is an fine example of how to act in a blended family, where everyone is supposed to get along for the sake of the child? Rebecca was allowed to tuck lil Maxie in an night, and tend to his needs, yet, was not allowed to attend school functions? Wonder what lil Maxie thought of that.. Poor child must have been confused about that. I hope Rebecca explained to Max, that his mother Dina made that choice.. :maddening:

IMO.. This is just one more example of Dina not letting go of Jonah, she wanted to control his relationship, her jealousy of Rebecca is very obvious..
Also, it will be interesting what Support will come from Maxie's HOUSE... If this is how Dina and staff will council ex-wives, it should make for an interesting world :(
 
I haven't seen anywhere about the time they placed her phone at the hospital. Were they claiming it was there for the entire night (the time period she claimed to be at the hospital) or were they basing that on one call. Rebecca's TOD was probably not very exact either.

I would like to know more about Nina Romano's "visit" to the Shacknai residence the night that Rebecca died. She went there in a confrontational mindset, at least that's MO after reading a summary of her interview.

She told the interviewer that Rebecca had been unresponsive and evasive to questions she asked her about Max's accident shortly after arriving in San Diego, and wanted to be shown exactly where the child had allegedly fallen. http://www.examiner.com/article/nin...-of-rebecca-zahau-and-her-nephew-max-shacknai

If after calling and receiving no response, the "drop-in" visit does not sound friendly, either.
 
I would like to know more about Nina Romano's "visit" to the Shacknai residence the night that Rebecca died. She went there in a confrontational mindset, at least that's MO after reading a summary of her interview.



If after calling and receiving no response, the "drop-in" visit does not sound friendly, either.

I think it's obvious that Nina and Dina were suspicious from the start. And if Rebecca didn't answer, why didn't Nina try to get Adam to open the door for her? By her own admission, Nina went to the house wanting some answers. Did she just leave without getting any?
 
I would like to know more about Nina Romano's "visit" to the Shacknai residence the night that Rebecca died. She went there in a confrontational mindset, at least that's MO after reading a summary of her interview.


If after calling and receiving no response, the "drop-in" visit does not sound friendly, either.


I think Nina's interview was quite telling about her attitude.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/...-coronado-mansion-deaths?clienttype=printable

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

What I dont' understand is why did she go on over to the house when Rebecca didn't respond to the text? I would actually call first or just assume I was not welcome that time of night. From Nina's interview it could be inferred she was grilled and pushed and that could be why Rebecca quit responding. Why would Nina have Rebecca pick her up at the airport anyway? Couldn't she rent a car or have Dina's boyfriend pick her up? Was it a set-up to grill her immediately upon arrival. Rebecca is trapped in the car with Nina.
 
The only person who could "make" RZ pick up his ex sister in law from the airport would be JS. Why was RZ being used as a car service for Dina's family? Only one person could ask that of her.

To me, this is revealing of the new dynamic between them.
 
(BBM) My apology if its already been discussed. I don't recall any information regarding the bolded comment. That statement is false. Please advise someone.
The apparent suicidal death of
the supervising caregiver two days after the incident, combined with the inconsistencies
in her verbal reports about the incident; her comment to her sister that "Dina's going to
kill me
;" her knowledge of where Max fell when she spoke to Dina's sister Nina; and the
multiple planes of injury on the child's body all support Rebecca Zahau's direct
involvement.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/aug/06/shacknais-mom-says-sons-death-possible-homicide/
http://media.utsandiego.com/news/documents/2012/08/06/Dr.Melinek_Report.txt
 
I presume the statement "Dina is going to kill me" comes from the interview of 13 year old by the police. I fail to see how it indicates Rebecca's guilt.
I interpret it to mean she knew Dina was going to blame her.
Also, why wouldn't she know where Max fell? She found him, after all.
It's be surprising if she didn't know where he fell.
 
Thank you, jenny. After all, if you have someone that doesn't allow you to attend events that your bf's son is involved in I can understand her reaction. It would be a normal reaction. I'm sure she was scared and concerned for Max.
 
I believe that statement came from the police officer transporting Rebecca and her sister to the urgi-care after Rebecca's sister cut herself while clean up broken glass from the chandalier. It was a statement Rebecca had made to her sister.
 
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