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Mike Watkiss ‏@mikewatkiss3tv 11 hrs11 hours ago
I have long said #jodiarias case worst handled I have seen in 40 yrs of covering courts-Juror 17 issue latest example #3tvarias
 
Juror 17's husband is friends with R DLR, M DLR who happens to be the mitigating specialist in the Jodi Arias defense team and R DLR are sisters. I just heard this, anyone else hear this? Sickening and disgusting.
MOO.

Yes, we were discussing all of that earlier in the day. Thus all the hoop-lah.
 
Hi , with her having an agenda, having an issue with JM. and lying to questioning, speaking of revenge , is there any chance the verdict could be overturned? That is on penalty phase only.
 
BBM: JSS was told by the 11 DP JURORS that Juror #17 would NOT deliberate during deliberations, and would not even give a sufficient answer to justify her anti-DP stance ... and JSS did nothing about it.

JSS should have called in each juror individually into her chambers to find out what was going on to corroborate the info from the 11 DP Jurors but again, JSS did nothing about it.

IF JSS had acted on this extremely disturbing info that Juror #17 would NOT deliberate with the rest of the Jurors, then Juror #17 could have been replaced with an alternate juror, and the deliberations would start over.

JSS did NOT want to deal with the issue, IMO ...

JSS was more concerned about an "appellate issue" IF she would have replaced this juror than the "honesty" and/or "shenanigans" of Juror #17 DURING DELIBERATIONS.

JMO but JSS needs to take her share of responsibility for her role in this devastating fiasco !

JMO and MOO !

I agree with each point you made. It is so evident that JSS was weak in this situation and should be called on it. I just think there are proper channels to take to make a better impact than a bunch of voice messages. Of course, JMO. But you are so correct and I love everything you pointed out.
 
I don't think I can post it here but it was CR Chatter twitter. M DLR posted on JA's fb the 11 jurors names. There was also a picture posted over there with R DLR with juror 17's husband. Most gone now...grrr.

Hopefully someone managed to get a screen shot. I had a feeling there was going to be a whole lot of "cleaning up" taking place over the weekend.
 
Even if it's proven that she lied, I don't think there's much they can do about it.
 
PPP
Question to all. Why couldn't the judge just sentence her to life with no parole right then and there. The judge knew the jury was hung and knew her options just in case. Why all the preambles. This is really ridiculous on the judge's part. She could have ended this that day for the sake of the family. Now she is enjoying her moment without thinking that his family has to travel back there. She should have put this to rest for the family's sake during the anouncement of the hung jury. Jmo
I'm glad you asked this. I want to know why she has the right to delay her sentencing.
 
I don't know about posting stuff here that's meant to be behind a paywall though?

I checked out BK's site and, while there are short summaries of information about most of the jurors, it is only derived from what was stated in court. There is no copy of #17 voir dire.

There are way too many rumors floating around right now. I'm waiting to opine on this juror until more is known about her.
 
One thing that was puzzling me yesterday, more than anything, was how could this juror have been summoned and seated on this jury if this was a setup by the defense ? After reading 20 pages of the forum this morning, I think I may have it figured out....... She wasn't.

Re: MDLR-- Maria DelaRosa _______RDLR ---her sister

The big question in my mind, when exactly was it that RDLR (Maria's sister) became friends on Juror #17 husbands Facebook ? Was it in the last few weeks, a couple of months, a year ago ?

This is my line of reasoning: Initially, maybe this juror was nothing more than just a stealth juror with an agenda and a bias, but nobody knew about her and there were no red flags. It might even be possible that this juror really DIDN'T have a lot of bias and truly believed she could be objective during the voir dire process..

However, after the jury was picked and seated, MDLR would have had access to the list of jurors names and could have researched them on social media. I have little doubt in my mind that Nurmi would have authorized a social media search to try and dig up dirt on these jurors and dig into their pasts. What she found was a possible weak link. She is a mitigation specialist, part of her job is to reckognize weak and vulnerable people.

To avoid the appearance of wrongdoing, MDLR could have had RDLR sign up as a friend on the husbands Facebook account, with the mistaken premise that nobody would ever notice. There are posters that have stated there are pictures of RDLR with juror #17's husband. That information certainly needs to be documented and saved if possible. I have yet to see such a picture, so it is speculation at this point. She was shown on his Facebook "friends" list however.

Now, what does that mean ? Well, that means through backdoor channels MDLR could have had access and influence on juror #17. Did MLDR, Nurmi, Wilmott or anybody else have anything to do with her being summoned and seated on the jury ?? Nope.

Could juror #17 have been influenced and star-struck by having an "in" to MLDR ?? You Betcha' !!
Could there have been interaction and "off-the-record" conversations either taking place or being passed along ? Yeppers.

What does this equate to ? ------> Influence peddling and jury tampering.

The problem MDLR and RDLR have is that this couple was leaving a trail of bread crumbs a mile long as they walked along the electronic pathway known as social media. They almost flaunted it.

If RDLR was the one that had an intimate relationship with the couple, then that would have eliminated the appearance of impropriety on the part of MDLR, or at least that was the plan. There could have been phone calls, dinner dates, e-mails, social drinking parties, etc.........none of which were attended by MDLR, but all of which were overseen by her.

There has to be some reason why MDLR and Jodi's family seemed to be of the opinion that they had this thing wrapped up, prior to the verdict. Her mother stated "It only takes ONE PERSON to do the right thing, We've got this ! " I was struck by the defense teams complete lack of emotion when the hung-jury was announced, I got the impression that they already had a good idea what was going to happen.


This is just me pondering while drinking drinking my coffee.....nothing more.
 
I have no doubt MDLR and DT were monitoring social media for all jurors...certainly their "right" since they are monitoring for juror misconduct.

If the County is going to open an active investigation (vs just saying they're reviewing the situation), they can subpoena FB for J#17's account and activity.

I am really interested to see when she "Liked" The Secret and The Laws of Attraction. Nancy Grace and HLN don't bother me as much as the Laws of Attraction.
And I know it was mentioned/rumored yesterday that she also "liked" certain media channels during this trial; what ones, and when?


Also, I'm sure they've been tickled pink, knowing all this time that J#17 liked The Secret and Laws of Attraction!!!! Gold!
 
JSS said videos could be shown now, right? Why hasn't video of voir dire been released?
 
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...-husband-has-ties-to-prosecutor-juan-martinez

FOX 10 has also learned that the jurors ex-husband has a connection to prosecutor Juan Martinez, and it is raising some serious questions about the outcome of the trial.

The County Attorney's office confirmed they are trying to sort all of this out. FOX 10 is not identifying the who juror # 17 is, or her ex-hsband, but it is clear from court documents obtained that Juan Martinez was the prosecutor assigned to the case and it appears the couple got married just before he was sentenced.

Those charges were eventually reduced and on a change of plea document dated May 3rd, 2000 Juan Martinez is listed as the prosecutor. A sentencing date was set for May 30th and according to juror #17's divorce paperwork she married her then-husband on the 29th, the day before the sentencing.
 
While we're pondering, any guesses why JSS not only didn't learn from her mistakes in the first trial but compounded them in this one? I think JSS is risk-averse to a crippling degree; i.e., generally speaking, she's incapable of making quick rulings in court. Her written rulings are very well-done imo, as she's had time to reflect, research, consult, etc. But there's something lacking judicial-wise in JSS that can't be fixed and which should disqualify her from overseeing another major trial imo, because I don't think the root cause is a fear of being overturned by the Appeals.
 
While we're pondering, any guesses why JSS not only didn't learn from her mistakes in the first trial but compounded them in this one? I think JSS is risk-averse to a crippling degree; i.e., generally speaking, she's incapable of making quick rulings in court. Her written rulings are very well-done imo, as she's had time to reflect, research, consult, etc. But there's something lacking judicial-wise in JSS that can't be fixed and which should disqualify her from overseeing another major trial imo, because I don't think the root cause is a fear of being overturned by the Appeals.

My impression of Judge Stephens is that she is very "nice" and even tempered. She comes across to me as the type of person that would never spank her children, regardless of how badly they misbehaved.

Nice and even tempered doesn't cut it when dealing with a defense team as sneaky and slimy as this one.

The wrong judge, with the wrong temperament, was assigned to this case from the git-go.
 
I agree with each point you made. It is so evident that JSS was weak in this situation and should be called on it. I just think there are proper channels to take to make a better impact than a bunch of voice messages. Of course, JMO. But you are so correct and I love everything you pointed out.


:seeya: TY ! Yes, I agree -- no one should be leaving JSS "voice messages."

But I do hope that whoever oversees the Judiciary in Maricopa County is seriously looking into this matter regarding JSS.

This Jury has gone "public" with what happened in that jury deliberation room -- AND -- they made Judge Stephens AWARE of it -- AND -- she did NOT properly investigate the situation regarding Juror #17.

And JSS can't argue "appellate issue" -- not with what has surfaced these past couple of days about Juror #17 from the 11 DP Jurors - and -- the fact that #17 did NOT disclose a lot of info that would have kept her off the jury in the first place.

JMO !
 
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