Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #3

[MeeBee]

I don't think I can post it here but it was CR Chatter twitter. M DLR posted on JA's fb the 11 jurors names. There was also a picture posted over there with R DLR with juror 17's husband. Most gone now...grrr.

Hopefully people got screen caps.

 

[Curious Me]

Juror 17's husband is friends with R DLR, M DLR who happens to be the mitigating specialist in the Jodi Arias defense team and R DLR are sisters. I just heard this, anyone else hear this? Sickening and disgusting.
MOO.

I read someplace R DLR might be M DLR's daughter. Supposedly, RDLR was fb friends with #17's husband? However, consider it hearsay for now. I actually don't know if MDLR has children.

 

[arkansas mom]

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I hope someone is coping this and reporting it to the authorities .

This tweeter and another worked late into the night digging for information. I did see where Chris Hughes had been in communication with them.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

November 13, 2013- death penalty persuasive speech by ####### ####### ( didn't want to put her name out there in case it's not allowed).

Found a youtube hit for this date and title

 

[bettybaby00]

MDLR at 9:32 am before the verdict came down: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_cHtZLUwAA0nfw.jpg:large

Wow!!!!

She seriously needs to suffer repercussions for her behavior during this trial. I wonder if this was her first case??? It would be interesting to see what her track record is, if she indeed does have one?

 

[bettybaby00]

I agree. Many posters here feel this has been a miscarriage of justice, and it may in fact meet the criteria, but when the alternative of actual justice is based upon a DP with no death, and considerable and unique benefits out of all proportion to the punishment meted out, this miscarriage may in the end be more just than the real article. It is truly backwards and farcical, but that is an accurate reflection of the backwards and farcical nature of the DP in today's political, and politically correct climate.

There is a poster on this board who's name carries a message of support for a dear friend of hers who was kidnapped and murdered many years ago. She names both the victim and the murderer. Googling the murderers name reveals that his DP conviction was overturned 27 years after it was imposed, and there is mention of the possibility of his getting parole.

There is no doubt that had this juror been unbiased and fair, JA would have received the DP. Most people, including the family, would have had the satisfaction of a just result for a depraved and evil act. Except it would have been an illusion, a lie, fool's gold, a house built on a foundation of mud, and nothing short of a golden opportunity for evil to triumph in the end. Not an inevitability, but an opportunity, as borne out by Katiecoolady's story, the poster's on this board that I mentioned, and undoubtedly many, many others.

As it stands we know that 13 people out of 14 on that jury (including the alternates) saw, understood, and supported the truth, as well as saw, understood and rejected the lies. That this is justice in a sense perhaps greater than the law can provide is a suggestion worth considering.

That the written law was subverted by a less than honest human nature may be a fact in this case, but is also a story as old as human nature itself, but interestingly the written law in this case is booby-trapped, it carries within it the opposite of its intention, has concealed within it the ability to turn justice into injustice and to injure those it claims to help, and to help those it claims to injure.

Is there very much to mourn in the fact that un-admired human folly was used so apparently skillfully, in such a measured amount, as to yield the best possible result out of flawed human law, and the best possible sentiment out of 13 sincere hearts?

Great post! Thank you

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I wonder if MDLR realises how much she has been used by Jodi, or what that means for her future. Jodi will turn on her and expose everything IMO, just for her own personal satisfaction of seeing MDLR go down for some slight which may or may not have already occurred by now. If MDLR thinks her secrets are safe with Jodi she sure as hell has another thing coming.

 

[Val1]

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 46s47 seconds ago
#jodiarias atty Jennifer Willmott, "We all knew (#Juror17's) 1st husband had a past. If Juan didn't check it out, that's his fault."

How is it that the whole DT knew? By research...Pffffttt. I'm willing to bet they were "told" and "informed" about it well before the jury deliberations even started.

Those videos of the trial will become interesting once we know where the juror was seated and we carefully inspect eye contact from the DT and see if any signals were being sent in the direction of that particular juror seat.

You mean like this pic that was captured, specifically noting the smiles were for the jury? Is this another example of a duping smile? Goes to see if the Minutes shed any light on what may have caused this...

 

[Prime Mover]

PDF copy of the Final Jury Instructions from JSS:

Duty to Consult with One Another
As jurors, you have a duty to discuss the case with one another and to deliberate in an effort to reach a just verdict. Each of you must decide the case for yourself, but only after you consider the evidence impartially with your fellow jurors. During your deliberations, you should not hesitate to re-examine your own views and change your opinion if you become convinced that it is wrong. However, you should not change your honest belief concerning the weight or effect of the evidence solely because of the opinions of your fellow jurors, or for the mere purpose of returning a verdict.

http://www.eversnark.com/final-jury-instructions/

The bolded part highlights the problem some of the 11 DP jurors voiced in regards to Juror 17.

 

[wendiesan]

For those trial watchers who have been very shocked and upset by the defence team tactics as well as the images and information which have been part of this "trial", katiecoolady has a healing perspective.
http://twoinnocents.com/2015/03/07/open-letter-to-the-jodi-arias-jurors-second-panel/

I have brought up the slandering and victim blaming indulged in by the DT, abetted (IMO) by JSS, in past posts. I firmly believe that what happened in this trial is no different than the old defence of rapists tactic--only here, instead of "she asked for it", the DT's cant was "she said he strung her along so he deserved it".

I really hope the Alexander family did bring a civil lawyer to court with them, and that they find grounds to prove that the estate of Travis Alexander was suffered damage from the lies spun by the DT. It is my hope that every single person on the DT who propagated those lies about Travis Alexander will be sued,at the least. And, if jury tampering can be proved, I'd like to see some of these people disbarred.

Probably what I would really like to see is a justice system in which the victims have as many rights as the criminals.

 

[04009margaret]

I've been trying to catch up with this forum for days.....anic:.....Just a few thoughts on juror #17......If you claim to have a history of DV in your background, knowing this DT's tactics you know they are going to target you as a potential juror. They will fight to get you on the jury panel. I just can't believe that somebody with that type of background would have 2 marriages with violent felons, it just doesn't ring true to me.

JMHO

 

[sammie]

This tweeter and another worked late into the night digging for information. I did see where Chris Hughes had been in communication with them.

I'm not convinced it's the same person...shared same name, but not uncommon name. Based on her tweets, she found a speech by the same name as the juror with her MAIDEN name, but it's a common name and nothing indicates it is the juror from this trial???

 

[bettybaby00]

For those trial watchers who have been very shocked and upset by the defence team tactics as well as the images and information which have been part of this "trial", katiecoolady has a healing perspective.
http://twoinnocents.com/2015/03/07/open-letter-to-the-jodi-arias-jurors-second-panel/

I have brought up the slandering and victim blaming indulged in by the DT, abetted (IMO) by JSS, in past posts. I firmly believe that what happened in this trial is no different than the old defence of rapists tactic--only here, instead of "she asked for it", the DT's cant was "she said he strung her along so he deserved it".

I really hope the Alexander family did bring a civil lawyer to court with them, and that they find grounds to prove that the estate of Travis Alexander was suffered damage from the lies spun by the DT. It is my hope that every single person on the DT who propagated those lies about Travis Alexander will be sued,at the least. And, if jury tampering can be proved, I'd like to see some of these people disbarred.

Probably what I would really like to see is a justice system in which the victims have as many rights as the criminals.[

BBM

This X1000

 

[Val1]

I read someplace R DLR might be M DLR's daughter. Supposedly, RDLR was fb friends with #17's husband? However, consider it hearsay for now. I actually don't know if MDLR has children.

Yea I had read that too, though just above someone was asking about MDLR's sister.. no proof that I've seen yet and you can be sure it's been scrubbed by now, not sure if the authorities can or would be able to gain history on those now deleted pages.

 

[Val1]

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/02807.htm

FWIW, members of a jury can be charged with jury tampering as can lawyers, judges, anyone who is connected to a court case. If you are officially part of the prosecution or defence, you can only deal with members of the jury through the normal workings of the court.
Which brings to mind JM's questioning of Geffner regarding his apparent focus on one particular juror. Maybe, if it was #17, JM had an inkling something was going on.

The juror JM had referred to was not #17, from my understanding, but JM might well have become aware at that point that there was a stealth juror and was hoping they wouldn't get picked(maybe even warning the DT that he knew or at least had suspicions and to not follow through)... how did they pick who got to deliberate, numbers in a hat?

 

[Steve44]

I'm sure you are referring to me and yes - 29 years later his sentence was overturned - he was retried, found guilty, and sentenced to life without parole. The entire DP system is so skewed to protect the accused that the victim is forgotten and helpless. The fact that my friend's brother went to law school and is a prosecutor in another state helped ensure that her murderer remain in prison. Martha was a wonderful, beautiful person and (like Travis) did not deserve what happened to her. I am relieved that Curtis is still in prison and that soon Jodi will be facing the same fate.

Yes, and I'm glad to hear the final result, God Bless you for supporting your friend.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

The juror JM had referred to was not #17, from my understanding, but JM might well have become aware at that point that there was a stealth juror and was hoping they wouldn't get picked(maybe even warning the DT that he knew or at least had suspicions and to not follow through)... how did they pick who got to deliberate, numbers in a hat?

It was juror #1 that Jaun called Geff out on.

 

[MaLou]

It was juror #1 that Jaun called Geff out on.

Juror 1 who had some skepticism about psychology.

 

[swedie]

For those trial watchers who have been very shocked and upset by the defence team tactics as well as the images and information which have been part of this "trial", katiecoolady has a healing perspective.
http://twoinnocents.com/2015/03/07/open-letter-to-the-jodi-arias-jurors-second-panel/

I have brought up the slandering and victim blaming indulged in by the DT, abetted (IMO) by JSS, in past posts. I firmly believe that what happened in this trial is no different than the old defence of rapists tactic--only here, instead of "she asked for it", the DT's cant was "she said he strung her along so he deserved it".

I really hope the Alexander family did bring a civil lawyer to court with them, and that they find grounds to prove that the estate of Travis Alexander was suffered damage from the lies spun by the DT. It is my hope that every single person on the DT who propagated those lies about Travis Alexander will be sued,at the least. And, if jury tampering can be proved, I'd like to see some of these people disbarred.

Probably what I would really like to see is a justice system in which the victims have as many rights as the criminals.

Way to go Katie! Simply beautiful. Stay strong everyone. (link)

 

[Hatfield]

The juror JM had referred to was not #17, from my understanding, but JM might well have become aware at that point that there was a stealth juror and was hoping they wouldn't get picked(maybe even warning the DT that he knew or at least had suspicions and to not follow through)... how did they pick who got to deliberate, numbers in a hat?

Yes, it was some kind of random draw by the judge BUT remember how the DT was selectively getting rid of jurors 1 by 1 until there were only 14 left.

We thought the DT was going to keep going to get a mistrial but then it seemed like their push to remove jurors stopped near the very end. I think we now know why.

Once they got to 14 left, they knew they had an 86% chance of getting their juror picked for the jury. Thats pretty good odds she would be on the jury.

And they were out of days and out of witnesses, otherwise they probably would have tried to get rid of the last 2 to guarantee it.