I don't think I can post it here but it was CR Chatter twitter. M DLR posted on JA's fb the 11 jurors names. There was also a picture posted over there with R DLR with juror 17's husband. Most gone now...grrr.
Hopefully people got screen caps.
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I don't think I can post it here but it was CR Chatter twitter. M DLR posted on JA's fb the 11 jurors names. There was also a picture posted over there with R DLR with juror 17's husband. Most gone now...grrr.
Juror 17's husband is friends with R DLR, M DLR who happens to be the mitigating specialist in the Jodi Arias defense team and R DLR are sisters. I just heard this, anyone else hear this? Sickening and disgusting.
MOO.
This tweeter and another worked late into the night digging for information. I did see where Chris Hughes had been in communication with them..
I hope someone is coping this and reporting it to the authorities .
Found a youtube hit for this date and titleNovember 13, 2013- death penalty persuasive speech by ####### ####### ( didn't want to put her name out there in case it's not allowed).
MDLR at 9:32 am before the verdict came down: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_cHtZLUwAA0nfw.jpg:large
I agree. Many posters here feel this has been a miscarriage of justice, and it may in fact meet the criteria, but when the alternative of actual justice is based upon a DP with no death, and considerable and unique benefits out of all proportion to the punishment meted out, this miscarriage may in the end be more just than the real article. It is truly backwards and farcical, but that is an accurate reflection of the backwards and farcical nature of the DP in today's political, and politically correct climate.
There is a poster on this board who's name carries a message of support for a dear friend of hers who was kidnapped and murdered many years ago. She names both the victim and the murderer. Googling the murderers name reveals that his DP conviction was overturned 27 years after it was imposed, and there is mention of the possibility of his getting parole.
There is no doubt that had this juror been unbiased and fair, JA would have received the DP. Most people, including the family, would have had the satisfaction of a just result for a depraved and evil act. Except it would have been an illusion, a lie, fool's gold, a house built on a foundation of mud, and nothing short of a golden opportunity for evil to triumph in the end. Not an inevitability, but an opportunity, as borne out by Katiecoolady's story, the poster's on this board that I mentioned, and undoubtedly many, many others.
As it stands we know that 13 people out of 14 on that jury (including the alternates) saw, understood, and supported the truth, as well as saw, understood and rejected the lies. That this is justice in a sense perhaps greater than the law can provide is a suggestion worth considering.
That the written law was subverted by a less than honest human nature may be a fact in this case, but is also a story as old as human nature itself, but interestingly the written law in this case is booby-trapped, it carries within it the opposite of its intention, has concealed within it the ability to turn justice into injustice and to injure those it claims to help, and to help those it claims to injure.
Is there very much to mourn in the fact that un-admired human folly was used so apparently skillfully, in such a measured amount, as to yield the best possible result out of flawed human law, and the best possible sentiment out of 13 sincere hearts?
Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 46s47 seconds ago
#jodiarias atty Jennifer Willmott, "We all knew (#Juror17's) 1st husband had a past. If Juan didn't check it out, that's his fault."
How is it that the whole DT knew? By research...Pffffttt. I'm willing to bet they were "told" and "informed" about it well before the jury deliberations even started.
Those videos of the trial will become interesting once we know where the juror was seated and we carefully inspect eye contact from the DT and see if any signals were being sent in the direction of that particular juror seat.
This tweeter and another worked late into the night digging for information. I did see where Chris Hughes had been in communication with them.
For those trial watchers who have been very shocked and upset by the defence team tactics as well as the images and information which have been part of this "trial", katiecoolady has a healing perspective.
http://twoinnocents.com/2015/03/07/open-letter-to-the-jodi-arias-jurors-second-panel/
I have brought up the slandering and victim blaming indulged in by the DT, abetted (IMO) by JSS, in past posts. I firmly believe that what happened in this trial is no different than the old defence of rapists tactic--only here, instead of "she asked for it", the DT's cant was "she said he strung her along so he deserved it".
I really hope the Alexander family did bring a civil lawyer to court with them, and that they find grounds to prove that the estate of Travis Alexander was suffered damage from the lies spun by the DT. It is my hope that every single person on the DT who propagated those lies about Travis Alexander will be sued,at the least. And, if jury tampering can be proved, I'd like to see some of these people disbarred.
Probably what I would really like to see is a justice system in which the victims have as many rights as the criminals.[
I read someplace R DLR might be M DLR's daughter. Supposedly, RDLR was fb friends with #17's husband? However, consider it hearsay for now. I actually don't know if MDLR has children.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/02807.htm
FWIW, members of a jury can be charged with jury tampering as can lawyers, judges, anyone who is connected to a court case. If you are officially part of the prosecution or defence, you can only deal with members of the jury through the normal workings of the court.
Which brings to mind JM's questioning of Geffner regarding his apparent focus on one particular juror. Maybe, if it was #17, JM had an inkling something was going on.
I'm sure you are referring to me and yes - 29 years later his sentence was overturned - he was retried, found guilty, and sentenced to life without parole. The entire DP system is so skewed to protect the accused that the victim is forgotten and helpless. The fact that my friend's brother went to law school and is a prosecutor in another state helped ensure that her murderer remain in prison. Martha was a wonderful, beautiful person and (like Travis) did not deserve what happened to her. I am relieved that Curtis is still in prison and that soon Jodi will be facing the same fate.
The juror JM had referred to was not #17, from my understanding, but JM might well have become aware at that point that there was a stealth juror and was hoping they wouldn't get picked(maybe even warning the DT that he knew or at least had suspicions and to not follow through)... how did they pick who got to deliberate, numbers in a hat?
It was juror #1 that Jaun called Geff out on.
For those trial watchers who have been very shocked and upset by the defence team tactics as well as the images and information which have been part of this "trial", katiecoolady has a healing perspective.
http://twoinnocents.com/2015/03/07/open-letter-to-the-jodi-arias-jurors-second-panel/
I have brought up the slandering and victim blaming indulged in by the DT, abetted (IMO) by JSS, in past posts. I firmly believe that what happened in this trial is no different than the old defence of rapists tactic--only here, instead of "she asked for it", the DT's cant was "she said he strung her along so he deserved it".
I really hope the Alexander family did bring a civil lawyer to court with them, and that they find grounds to prove that the estate of Travis Alexander was suffered damage from the lies spun by the DT. It is my hope that every single person on the DT who propagated those lies about Travis Alexander will be sued,at the least. And, if jury tampering can be proved, I'd like to see some of these people disbarred.
Probably what I would really like to see is a justice system in which the victims have as many rights as the criminals.
The juror JM had referred to was not #17, from my understanding, but JM might well have become aware at that point that there was a stealth juror and was hoping they wouldn't get picked(maybe even warning the DT that he knew or at least had suspicions and to not follow through)... how did they pick who got to deliberate, numbers in a hat?