Dr. Phil Interviews Burke Ramsey (9/12 & 9/13 2016)

[YouWho]

I noted that too.

JR has always said he had trouble getting Burke to bed that night. Naturally, it was Christmas night and having spent part of the afternoon and the evening at the Whites', he was no doubt eager to play with his new Christmas toys. I think they were heading to the cruise right after Michigan, so he wasn't going to see some of his new things for awhile.

Now we have Burke admitting he didn't stay in bed. And that everyone else was only kind of in bed, implying at least one other person got up or stayed up. JonBenet ate pineapple not long before she died.. Burke liked iced tea.

I'd love to see a transcript of Burke's grand jury testimony.

I can imagine John taking his melatonin and checking out (he was to fly the plane the next day and needed sleep), Patsy doing all the work to finish packing, then coming upon the children in the kitchen eating and drinking, and being angry because surely eating and drinking would promote wetting the bed that night. Perhaps they did scatter off to bed but soon JBr had wet the bed and that's when she lost it.

 

[Karinna]

I am very green to this case. Only started learning the details about it last week.

Something I don't get:
If RDI or BDI then why would they not just pretend the initial skull fracture was an accident? Why such an elaborate, almost unbelievable story? They would have had very little time to stage. Too much room for error. Way easier to say she slipped in the tub or some similar type of accident. JMO

Hi CoolJ, Good question. My guess is whoever did that to JBR would be very concerned that she would be able to remember and tell who did that to her if she would of survived the head trauma. But i do find the garotte part of it very sadistic, and have no idea how someone could do such a thing unless they were a sadist. That's why i have trouble thinking a parent could do such a shocking thing to their own baby, or a 9 almost 10 year old to premeditate doing that to his little sister. It's beyond sick IMO.

 

[gregjrichards]

And as far as BR, if he is innocent in hurting his little sister, then i think what we observe in him is some type of psychological problems from the events that unfolded in his life at a very young age. He lost his baby sister and his mother, and that can leave some deep emotional scars on a young person experiencing such losses. We don't know how BR processed all those life changing events in his life. And BR probably remembers what his mind selectively wants to remember and shuts out the rest. It's self preservation mode.

Smiling with genuine delight recounting your mother in emotional pain is not normal. His body language says a lot and I agree with everything Dr Lillian Glass has said about him.

 

[Karinna]

Couldnt the bowl have had their finger prints on it regardless of whether they touched it that day/night or not?

I would think so. If BR went to the fridge to get something in there if the bowl of pineapple was in there he could of touched the bowl to move it. I do that all the time when getting stuff out of my own fridge looking for what it is i want to get.

 

[invaderzim]

Couldnt the bowl have had their finger prints on it regardless of whether they touched it that day/night or not?

It would be a fair assumption that bowl had been washed since last it was used, and that Patsy would have put it back in the cabinet afterwards which meant it would have still had her prints on it. Then if BR had taken it down it would have his and hers. JB's prints would not necessarily be on it if she just used her fingers to pick up pieces out of it. It just seems most likely that BR's prints went on it that night if he's the one who got it down?

 

[invaderzim]

Smiling with genuine delight recounting your mother in emotional pain is not normal. His body language says a lot and I agree with everything Dr Lillian Glass has said about him.

Maybe that can be accounted for because he knows she was guilty?

 

[Karinna]

Smiling with genuine delight recounting your mother in emotional pain is not normal. His body language says a lot and I agree with everything Dr Lillian Glass has said about him.

The perpetual grin on his face was rather disconcerting admittedly, and as i have said previously i wonder if that is his usual demeanor in real life when not being interviewed on t.v.?

 

[zencompass]

IMO Burke would have been criticized here no matter what his demeanor was during the interview. If he cried and had a Kleenex in his hand it would be said he was showing guilt or reliving his role in the murder.

Hi TexMex !

Long time no see. What's for dinner tonight?

Back to the case - what is your opinion on the ransom note being so long (2 1/2 pages) being written on notepaper from the home?

Why do you think the intruder (if that is the case) left the note even after he/she murdered J.B. ?

Do you think that the intruder came in the basement window and left through a door (locking it again) as he/she left?

The ransom note does confuse me. As does calling the police right away even when the ransom note threatens violence to J.B. if police
are called. Then calling over friends and Burke's doctor. This confuses me.

Another thing I don't understand is why their house was not full of police - searching immediately and thoroughly. To me, this was a huge
mistake on the police department's role. JMO

I can't believe that someone would intentionally violently strangle their child as part of a "cover up". To me, whoever did this was full of hate and rage. JMO

The behavior of the parents to me on one hand is suspect - not fully cooperating with the police. On the other hand, I understand that the police can,
once they zero in on their suspected target, stop looking at other alternatives.

I am also concerned that the findings of the Grand Jury were not made public until years later. I am surprised at what their findings were.
What do you make of the findings?

This is such a confusing case for me. I look forward to the CBS special segments on this case. I do know that we may never learn anything new from it.
But then we might.

Anyway, you know that I greatly respect your opinion TexMex (plus I am looking forward to my dinner invitation! just kidding!).

Thanks in advance for your opinions on my confusion - I mean my questions.

 

[Karinna]

Maybe that can be accounted for because he knows she was guilty?

That could be.

 

[zencompass]

Hi again TexMex !

I wanted to show you a post I made on another thread - Burke #3.

Although I mention that my I.T. friend did suffer from some issues. I, of course, have no idea if anything applies to Burke. I was just stating an experience
I had with an I.T. person who suffered terribly when having to speak to people he didn't know. Within his own circle of friends he was fine. It was
just an observation I made after watching B.R.

Here is my post :

I mentioned on another thread that I once worked with an I.T. expert who was a genius with computers. He did work remotely but a few times he did come into the office
and any social encounter he had with staff (or anyone) was noticeably painful to him (physically and mentally).

He would grin widely with tears in his eyes when someone said hello or asked a question while he was walking towards our computer server room.

I would try to bring him in after hours or weekends because it was hurtful and painful even to watch him if he interacted with anyone - especially someone he did not
know. I never asked him questions except via email before he came into the office because he seemed to look for an escape hatch in the ceiling if I did.

This guy I knew had Asperger's along with severe social anxiety. I did find out that he had a small group of close friends he had known for years
and he was fine with them. Anyone else - anxiety went through the roof.

I noticed so many similarities between my I.T. person and Burke today. Wow

 

[HarmonyE.]

I can imagine John taking his melatonin and checking out (he was to fly the plane the next day and needed sleep), Patsy doing all the work to finish packing, then coming upon the children in the kitchen eating and drinking, and being angry because surely eating and drinking would promote wetting the bed that night. Perhaps they did scatter off to bed but soon JBr had wet the bed and that's when she lost it.

Melatonin isn't going to knock anyone out. It's supposed to help with sleep cycles, but it's never done a thing for me.

Patsy seemed genuinely surprised to hear about the pineapple in her daughter's system. Yes, she could have been lying but I think its more likely that the kids sneaked down while Patsy was still two floors above them and she never knew about the midnight snack.

John had 5 kids and I've never heard anything about physical or sexual abuse. Patsy was high-strung, but no one has ever suggested that she would hurt her children. Burke seemed sincere when he said they were never even spanked. Could she have lost it over something like bed wetting? Possibly, but it sounds like it was a regular occurrence in the Ramsey household, and shame on her for not putting a pull-up on the child. On the other hand, at least a couple of the Ramsey friends said Burke had rage issues.

For me, all roads lead to Burke followed by a cover-up by both parents. It would seem the grand jury thought so too.

 

[just the facts pls]

Hi again TexMex !

I wanted to show you a post I made on another thread - Burke #3.

Although I mention that my I.T. friend did suffer from some issues. I, of course, have no idea if anything applies to Burke. I was just stating an experience
I had with an I.T. person who suffered terribly when having to speak to people he didn't know. Within his own circle of friends he was fine. It was
just an observation I made after watching B.R.

Here is my post :

I mentioned on another thread that I once worked with an I.T. expert who was a genius with computers. He did work remotely but a few times he did come into the office
and any social encounter he had with staff (or anyone) was noticeably painful to him (physically and mentally).

He would grin widely with tears in his eyes when someone said hello or asked a question while he was walking towards our computer server room.

I would try to bring him in after hours or weekends because it was hurtful and painful even to watch him if he interacted with anyone - especially someone he did not
know. I never asked him questions except via email before he came into the office because he seemed to look for an escape hatch in the ceiling if I did.

This guy I knew had Asperger's along with severe social anxiety. I did find out that he had a small group of close friends he had known for years
and he was fine with them. Anyone else - anxiety went through the roof.

I noticed so many similarities between my I.T. person and Burke today. Wow

BBM. On the questions and answers show, Dr Phil made a point to say that BR is not autistic.

 

[cady]

I don't think it was confirmed that the flashlight was the murder weapon.

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Nothing was ever confirmed but I remember at the time, Ramsey's said it was not theirs (sure...) and it was pristine.....absolutely no prints inside or outside and none on the batteries....... Also, in one of the books I read eons ago, the head wound was not visible until autopsy and the shape of the cracked skull was similar to the shape of the Maglite head. JMO (Book may have been Cyril Wecht, not sure)

 

[invaderzim]

Hi again TexMex !

I wanted to show you a post I made on another thread - Burke #3.

Although I mention that my I.T. friend did suffer from some issues. I, of course, have no idea if anything applies to Burke. I was just stating an experience
I had with an I.T. person who suffered terribly when having to speak to people he didn't know. Within his own circle of friends he was fine. It was
just an observation I made after watching B.R.

Here is my post :

I mentioned on another thread that I once worked with an I.T. expert who was a genius with computers. He did work remotely but a few times he did come into the office
and any social encounter he had with staff (or anyone) was noticeably painful to him (physically and mentally).

He would grin widely with tears in his eyes when someone said hello or asked a question while he was walking towards our computer server room.

I would try to bring him in after hours or weekends because it was hurtful and painful even to watch him if he interacted with anyone - especially someone he did not
know. I never asked him questions except via email before he came into the office because he seemed to look for an escape hatch in the ceiling if I did.

This guy I knew had Asperger's along with severe social anxiety. I did find out that he had a small group of close friends he had known for years
and he was fine with them. Anyone else - anxiety went through the roof.

I noticed so many similarities between my I.T. person and Burke today. Wow

It's easy to imagine that a high level of anxiety, facial tics, social apprehension, etc. might have been CAUSED by the trauma of the murder. Especially if he had committed it, or knew that one or both of his parents had, and then had to live with the cover-up all his life? I'm not sure how anyone in that situation would NOT be psychologically damaged, to the extent that his appearance and demeanor were also affected ?

 

[just the facts pls]

I re-watched the first two parts of the interview and I noticed a few things:

Does anyone remember during Dr Phil's question and answer show how he laughed at anyone who thought there was snow on the ground on the day of JBR's murder? Yet if you watch the first two parts Dr Phil himself broadcasts pictures of the Ramsey house surrounded by both snow and crime scene tape. I don't know if these are "real" pictures or photoshopped for entertainment value, but he has no business sneering down his nose at "people on the Internet" when he is giving people the wrong impression himself.

And Burke. Wow. To the question of "why here and why now" for speaking out, and he says it's to honor his sister. Then it comes out later that the interview is an informal rebuttal (or, damage control) to the CBS JBR special which starts to air tomorrow. Then Dr Phil comes out during questions and answers and says Burke has a right to tell his story "in his own words" which basically means he gets to control the narrative.

Dr Phil and BR... I will believe neither of you ever again.

 

[HarmonyE.]

BBM. On the questions and answers show, Dr Phil made a point to say that BR is not autistic.

He did not appear to be autistic in any of the childhood interviews. And it's not something one acquires later in life.

But Burke looked, acted and sounded like a 15 year old and not an almost 30 year old man. Over-sheltering to the point of arrested development?

 

[invaderzim]

Melatonin isn't going to knock anyone out. It's supposed to help with sleep cycles, but it's never done a thing for me.

Patsy seemed genuinely surprised to hear about the pineapple in her daughter's system. Yes, she could have been lying but I think its more likely that the kids sneaked down while Patsy was still two floors above them and she never knew about the midnight snack.

John had 5 kids and I've never heard anything about physical or sexual abuse. Patsy was high-strung, but no one has ever suggested that she would hurt her children. Burke seemed sincere when he said they were never even spanked. Could she have lost it over something like bed wetting? Possibly, but it sounds like it was a regular occurrence in the Ramsey household, and shame on her for not putting a pull-up on the child. On the other hand, at least a couple of the Ramsey friends said Burke had rage issues.

For me, all roads lead to Burke followed by a cover-up by both parents. It would seem the grand jury thought so too.

The only thing that bothers me about BDI is that I have a hard time believing the parents would cover for him, considering...

1) He was too young to go to jail

2) By not confessing that he did it, they were automatically placing themselves in the position of most likely to be accused, and one or both of them COULD have went to jail for a long time if they were found guilty.

 

[just the facts pls]

He did not appear to be autistic in any of the childhood interviews. And it's not something one acquires later in life.

But Burke looked, acted and sounded like a 15 year old and not an almost 30 year old man. Over-sheltering to the point of arrested development?

Did you notice how Dr Phil kept flashing pictures of BR when he was like 5 or 6 years old as opposed to (I'm guessing here) a 4'5 almost ten year old pre-teen boy?

I have no doubt that BR is a highly intelligent individual. It would not surprise me if it came out that he was a precocious child.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

I am very green to this case. Only started learning the details about it last week.

Something I don't get:
If RDI or BDI then why would they not just pretend the initial skull fracture was an accident? Why such an elaborate, almost unbelievable story? They would have had very little time to stage. Too much room for error. Way easier to say she slipped in the tub or some similar type of accident. JMO

My thinking exactly. Overkill IMO. I can't imagine this particular couple participating in such a grotesque cover up over an accident. I'm just not ready to go there yet. I need forensic evidence.

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[cady]

Burke seems very childlike....weirdly, he said (PRESENT TENSE) "we are not allowed" to have snacks before bed. I didn't watch the whole thing......mostly ads and Phil and Burke just not trustworthy to me. JMO