Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[creepingskills]

Something I've been thinking about.

I don't think we're going to see first degree murder charges against CWW and JR until MS is arrested. Right now, with 2nd degree charges, IMO, they are painting a picture of "it just happened" so it wasn't't premeditated and right now LCSO seems to be stuck with that at the moment.
And that tells me that whatever was purchased at the Wal-Mart gave no signs of a premeditated murder, so I think it was only used to show that CWW &JR was in Florida at the time. Nothing more, nothing less.

IMO, LCSO knows the What, Where and HOW....they are working on the WHY. That envelope of suspicion includes MS.

They need to prove this murder was premeditated.

Just some random thoughts. Carry on.

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[Paulas88]

Something I've been thinking about.

I don't think we're going to see first degree murder charges against CWW and JR until MS is arrested. Right now, with 2nd degree charges, IMO, they are painting a picture of "it just happened" so it wasn't't premeditated and right now LCSO seems to be stuck with that at the moment.
And that tells me that whatever was purchased at the Wal-Mart gave no signs of a premeditated murder, so I think it was only used to show that CWW &JR was in Florida at the time. Nothing more, nothing less.

IMO, LCSO knows the What, Where and HOW....they are working on the WHY. That envelope of suspicion includes MS.

They need to prove this murder was premeditated.

Just some random thoughts. Carry on.

With the docs being sealed and a hush from the attorney general, I have a suspicion that the grand jury is currently in session... reviewing evidence for another arrest, and to upgrade murder charges for CWW and JR. Maybe even the death penalty.

 

[human]

From posts brought up here, why would LE go to Missouri? I am sure Florida has plenty of their own criminals.

I cannot see how they avoided detection by road cameras. I am thinking that is how LE got onto them in the first place. Then all kinds of convoluted things were discovered in MO .

I am curious as to what all those connections are going to be

 

[katsrfun]

Hello, all. Maybe this has been asked before, but I missed it. I am just wondering, and have been, if MS is not at all involved, isn't he wondering why CWW killed his wife? They have been best friends forever. Would CWW just kill TS and think that MS would be appreciative of it. I would insist that the police let me speak to him somehow, and ask him what the hell he did. Certainly, CWW can make phone calls or have visitors, No? I would be definitely wanting to confront him, or even, just look him in the eyes, man to man, and see what he would have to say, that is if MS doesn't have a clue what happened. I think he must be either involved or at least have knowledge, otherwise, what is he thinking; why did my very best friend just kill my wife? Thanks, you guys, for all the great posting, and thank you Websleuths and all the mods for this forum and all the great work you guys do. Katt

 

[mckazpm]

Anyone catch the 48 Hours episode tonight? Wow! So many similarities to this case...the hired hit, hammer, hammer lead LE to Lowe's. Researched video to find hubby & hitman walking into Lowe's together...all about the $$

 

[IQuestion]

Something I've been thinking about.

I don't think we're going to see first degree murder charges against CWW and JR until MS is arrested. Right now, with 2nd degree charges, IMO, they are painting a picture of "it just happened" so it wasn't't premeditated and right now LCSO seems to be stuck with that at the moment.
And that tells me that whatever was purchased at the Wal-Mart gave no signs of a premeditated murder, so I think it was only used to show that CWW &JR was in Florida at the time. Nothing more, nothing less.

IMO, LCSO knows the What, Where and HOW....they are working on the WHY. That envelope of suspicion includes MS.

They need to prove this murder was premeditated.

Just some random thoughts. Carry on.

Aaaaah Suspicious1 BBM above. If two men (CWW & JRR) are seen in a Walmart shortly before the killing of Teresa Sievers, wearing their street clothes and then later, enter her residence wearing jumpsuit (s) to cover their clothes from blood.....I would think the donning of the jumpsuit is an obvious sign of premeditation. Isn't killing a person during the commission of another crime still 1st Degree Murder? If the motive was simple breaking and entering an occupied residence...akin to a home invasion, ending in death, still a 1st Degree Murder? or Robbing a bank, using a hammer and then using the hammer to kill someone iafter entering the bank still 1st Degree Murder? I don't premeditation is an issue anymore...but I can accept being wrong.
If my suspicions are correct, the only "bargaining" will be Death Penalty or Life w/o Parole. Up to and until that time, there is NO INCENTIVE for a hired killer to reveal his employer. Most hitmen (from my studies) don't/won't give that information up until the prosecution is willing to cut a deal. (Ugh, it hurts my soul to even imagine the conversations taking place behind the doors of justice.)

 

[MsArk]

Anyone catch the 48 Hours episode tonight? Wow! So many similarities to this case...the hired hit, hammer, hammer lead LE to Lowe's. Researched video to find hubby & hitman walking into Lowe's together...all about the $$

Watching it now DVR'd. Agree. Wow!!! Hammer must be the weapon of choice these days. Chills.

 

[Daisy47]

Watching it now DVR'd. Agree. Wow!!! Hammer must be the weapon of choice these days. Chills.

I DVR'ed it as well. Gonna' watch it now.

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[Timekeeper65]

O/T. Whoo Hoo. I have FINALLY read every single comment on every single thread. I am totally and completely caught up with my reading. Now, don't go posting a bunch of comments overnight, y'all hear?

Night one and all.

 

[Daisy47]

O/T. Whoo Hoo. I have FINALLY read every single comment on every single thread. I am totally and completely caught up with my reading. Now, don't go posting a bunch of comments overnight, y'all hear?

Night one and all.

I'm so jealous!

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[observation]

I just wanted to put my two cents in about the insurance. I paid life insurance claims for several years but haven't been in the business for a while.

A full and final certified death certificate is required for payment as well as completion of proper forms and any supporting documentation (trust copy, estate paperwork, power of atty, etc) before pymt will be made. Florida has a short death certificate and a long certificate and the long certificate is required for payment. It has to be final - meaning the cause and manner of death are given.

The ins. company would contact the police dept. working on the death and they would know if the beneficiary was a person if interest or not and if they could pay the named bene. The insurance co CANNOT just refuse to pay the claim. They will pay interest from the date of death to the date of payment if required. The ins co needs to make sure they pay the claim to the proper beneficiary or they can be sued - and they have a whole legal dept to make sure that's done correctly.

In a complex case where the ins company is unsure of what to do, they can go to court and ask a judge to decide and they pay who the judge says. I can promise you that if TS has insurance and MS is under suspicion, no payment will be made until it's all worked out and the company is comfortable paying the correct bene and is not violating a state slayer statute.

My last claim when I left the business was a lady who died with a small policy with my company. I thought her cause of death was odd and her manner of death was pending. I contacted the police agency referenced on the death certificate and spoke with the detective handling the case who wasn't aware of this particular policy and was glad to hear from me! Turns out the insured had quite a large financial portfolio other than our policy. The primary bene was one of two suspects (2 people were in cahoots). I was asked by the detective to not process payment as a grand jury was meeting the next week and an indictment was expected. The primary bene (as well as their spouse) threatened to sue me for non-payment several times because I refused to provide any information. The primary bene was indicted and didn't receive the money as they were ultimately convicted. The payment was made to the insureds estate.

FelicityLemon- I found the link to the information. Smartest thing I have read on the topic.


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[howonkee]

O/T. Whoo Hoo. I have FINALLY read every single comment on every single thread. I am totally and completely caught up with my reading. Now, don't go posting a bunch of comments overnight, y'all hear?

Night one and all.

LOL, I do that every day, get caught up, then I have to do it again the next day, and the next day and the next....

 

[observation]

Yes, that's exactly what happened with my company. I think one of our longer claims took more than 8 years to resolve. The insurance company (at least the ones I worked for) would not pay if they thought the primary bene was involved. But they have to eventually pay someone - even if they ask a court to decide who to pay. They can't just say - well, beneficiary X committed a crime so we aren't paying. All the claims that were homicides that I worked on we're not paid until after I spoke to the law enforcement agency investigating the crime. It's against state law for someone to profit from murder. My company didn't begin its own investigation. The only claims we had investigators for were disability claims where the insured said they were disabled but the insurance co wasn't sure.

It's easiest if the bene is the insureds estate or trust is the bene - then the final disposition of funds isn't the responsibility of the insurance company.

I was shocked at how little money people were willing to kill for. It's sometimes a lot less than you would ever think. Not much shocks me anymore - not after working that job. The job certainly didn't give me much faith in people. I saw some terrible, terrible things.

F/ u regarding life insurance. Part 2


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[makayla]

LOL, I do that every day, get caught up, then I have to do it again the next day, and the next day and the next....

LOL ... it's like a spider's web ... silky threads that go round and round, easy to get caught up in

 

[1&2&3]

This seems like a silly question to be asking as we know MS was in CT when TS was murdered.

Has MS taken a polygraph? Since he had an air tight alibi, would there be any way LE could legally get him to take one? We know in all murder cases the spouse/boyfriend is always the first one suspected.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

This seems like a silly question to be asking as we know MS was in CT when TS was murdered.

Has MS taken a polygraph? Since he had an air tight alibi, would there be any way LE could legally get him to take one? We know in all murder cases the spouse/boyfriend is always the first one suspected.

I don't believe there has been anything released on whether or not he's taken a polygraph.

LE cannot force someone to take a polygraph, just like they cannot compel someone to make a statement or answer questions.

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[KateB]

Yesterday's discussion about behaviors at Dr. Sievers' July 6th funeral has been moved to the July 6th CWW is a POI thread.
FYI.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...firms-that-CWW-was-a-POI-as-early-as-July-6th

 

[MsArk]

Maybe the premeditated part is going to be charged against any outstanding possible arrest?
I am having a difficult time getting past "it is what it seems".... Aren't most/many murders just as they seem? My only reservation is that CWW should have known better that tolls would have been documented; Wal-Mart having cameras. That's what doesn't make sense to me as CWW is painted as so "smart". I know this has been said over and over but again, there are very few coincidences, IMO, and SMS is being tight lipped pending another very important arrest. Surely it has to be a bit more complicated to pin something one a participant NOT at the crime scene but again, too many coincidences for me. I think more likely JR will lay his cards on the table than CWW but JR may not have known the real source behind the hit. Again, MOO and some of these other scenarios not involving MS could certainly be true. Not likely but possible. JMO

 

[MsArk]

Also, I asked this in AmazonRain's thread but someone else close to the investigation might know as well... Has MS retained counsel?

 

[flgrl017]

I wouldn't associate myself with someone like cww, but if I knew someone like that, I'd take their threats seriously. I'm almost 100% certain that ms knows about the rumors about his involvement with rb. The community is too intertwined for him not to. I just don't see how you allow your wife to travel alone if you're having issues with someone like cww.

I do agree that cww would come after the other family members if he was threatening the sievers though. I could see why ms would be concerned about that. I just don't see a husband letting their wife travel alone at night if they have pissed someone like cww off.

I agree and then thought perhaps MS felt he knew CWW better than he really did. Perhaps CWW told MS if you dont keep my secret or your wife to keep quiet I will harm her, you, the kids, etc. Maybe MS thought CWW was simply making a false threat. Then CWW actually carries it out, he goes as far as filming parts of the murder and sends it to MS, to make a statement like, now we wont have to worry about her talking, if you talk, I'll come after you or your children. So MS realizes CWW threats are not false and keeps quiet. Maybe MS had no clue CWW was showing up at the funeral and it was another form of CWW's bullying ways, hence MS was nervous, figgity and sweating like crazy. Maybe MS thought CWW was going to kill one of his girls?