Ebola outbreak - general thread #4

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TY , intersting read.Howeveer this confused me

iot:It would be much better for the virus to allow us to stay alive longer.

I think that statement was made a couple of decades ago wasn't it? When the virus WAS faster acting and killing people in 2-3 days once symptoms started? If so then the virus IS evolving and adapting to human hosts.
 
No kidding. They kept reporting that he was suffering from "symptoms of ebola." His son said he had NO FEVER, no vomiting, no diarrhea. He woke up feeling "sore and had a stomach ache."

I think his dad let his imagination get the best of him. I can understand why, but the media has no such excuse.

You can be afebrile with ebola and the vomiting and diarrhea come in later stages.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/02/ebola-symptoms-infection-virus_n_5639456.html
 
I'm sorry I don't know how to link to Twitter on here so I will type verbatim:

#Breaking wife of #Dallas Co Sheriff's deputy furious state health officials publicly released negative #Ebola test w/o telling her.

#Breaking Lisa Monnig says even her husband hasn't been told about negative #Ebola test. Follow me for latest more on CBS 11 News 4pm.

From J.D. Miles Twitter acct.

This is a shame. Not how this should be handles, IMO. There are HIPPA laws, which have gone out the window in this deputy's case, it seems. Not to mention, he was left out of the initial "watched" group from the get-go. Not a good way to inspire confidence in the system, IMO.
 
[h=1]Thomas Eric Duncan: 6 ways his case differs from other U.S. Ebola cases[/h]
"Eric Duncan was treated unfairly. Eric walked into the hospital, the other patients were carried in after an 18 hour flight," Josephus Weeks said in a written statement. "It is suspicious to us that all the white patients survived and this one black patient passed away. It took 8 days to get him medicine. He didn't begin treatment in Africa, he began treatment here, but he wasn't given a chance."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-duncan-death-cause/index.html
 
I'm sorry I don't know how to link to Twitter on here so I will type verbatim:

#Breaking wife of #Dallas Co Sheriff's deputy furious state health officials publicly released negative #Ebola test w/o telling her.

#Breaking Lisa Monnig says even her husband hasn't been told about negative #Ebola test. Follow me for latest more on CBS 11 News 4pm.

From J.D. Miles Twitter acct.

This is a shame. Not how this should be handles, IMO. There are HIPPA laws, which have gone out the window in this deputy's case, it seems. Not to mention, he was left out of the initial "watched" group from the get-go. Not a good way to inspire confidence in the system, IMO.

Yeah well if they're angry about the public hearing first maybe he should have thought of the PUBLIC before he took his arse to an acute care center. Knowing what he knew, if he actually suspected Ebola he should have called 911, his supervisors, anyone - not waltz into a neighborhood clinic like he had the common cold. :facepalm:


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Thank you for the link - a really interesting and moving blog.

It is great to have some stories from people over in West Africa. This is from Kenema in Sierra Leone.

Death of a family member brings with it, not only grief, but fear and rejection and, in the early days, the destruction of your property. Now they use disinfectant but until recently mattresses, clothing and personal mementos were all burnt.

Here is testimonial from a widow named Martha:


My husband was working in the Ebola hospital. When he died they took all our things and burnt them. There is nothing inside the house. I sat at home for 21 days and when quarantine ended my sister came with shoes and clothes for me.”

These are people who had very little to begin with and now have no incomes to replace what is lost. Martha continued,


People shout at me and say my husband left me with Ebola. I wanted to take a picture of him for my children in the future but they would not allow me. So I went home and cried.”
 
[h=1]Thomas Eric Duncan: 6 ways his case differs from other U.S. Ebola cases[/h]
"Eric Duncan was treated unfairly. Eric walked into the hospital, the other patients were carried in after an 18 hour flight," Josephus Weeks said in a written statement. "It is suspicious to us that all the white patients survived and this one black patient passed away. It took 8 days to get him medicine. He didn't begin treatment in Africa, he began treatment here, but he wasn't given a chance."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-duncan-death-cause/index.html

I don't understand what he is saying. We were supposed to fly him over and carry him in?
 
Gosh, it's been one misstep after another.

I'm so grateful that we've passed one more day with no additional cases reported. How all of those that were around Mr. Duncan when he was ill have managed to stay negative for the disease just blows me away.

I'm sorry I don't know how to link to Twitter on here so I will type verbatim:

#Breaking wife of #Dallas Co Sheriff's deputy furious state health officials publicly released negative #Ebola test w/o telling her.

#Breaking Lisa Monnig says even her husband hasn't been told about negative #Ebola test. Follow me for latest more on CBS 11 News 4pm.

From J.D. Miles Twitter acct.

This is a shame. Not how this should be handles, IMO. There are HIPPA laws, which have gone out the window in this deputy's case, it seems. Not to mention, he was left out of the initial "watched" group from the get-go. Not a good way to inspire confidence in the system, IMO.
 
Yeah well if they're angry about the public hearing first maybe he should have thought of the PUBLIC before he took his arse to an acute care center. Knowing what he knew, if he actually suspected Ebola he should have called 911, his supervisors, anyone - not waltz into a neighborhood clinic like he had the common cold. :facepalm:


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Ok, I'm officially out...There's enough "could've , should've" to cover the globe. I posted this because I thought it was pertinent to show the, IMO, lack of professionalism displayed by officials at both the hospital and the govt level. While we're all just spouting opinion I'll give you mine: I'd bet $$$ this deputy did not think he had Ebola at all but was making a point about being expected to go into a hazardous condition without proper equipment and no follow up on monitoring his health. In essence, nobody gave a crap about him or his fellow deputies, and by completely skipping him in releasing the results, they further proved that. You are going to have a bunch of pissed off govt employees putting their butts on the line without proper training or equipment. The ambulance that transported Mr Duncan to the hospital was left in service for 48hours before it was taken offline and decontaminated! You had emts and the public with needless exposure. The airline employees are walking off the job in NY because they are not trained/equipped to handle cleaning planes that may contain Ebola. And by the way, the reason the deputies were in the apartment in the first place was to serve an official quarantine order because the family completely disregarded the initial verbal order to stay home. Mods, feel free to delete...
 
You can be afebrile with ebola and the vomiting and diarrhea come in later stages.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/02/ebola-symptoms-infection-virus_n_5639456.html

"I'm sore and have a stomach ache" are not "symptoms of ebola." These are vague symptoms which could be due to many illnesses is the point. The point is anyone walks in with very vague symptoms are now being categorized as having "symptoms of ebola." And that's not an accurate representation.
 
"I'm sore and have a stomach ache" are not "symptoms of ebola." These are vague symptoms which could be due to many illnesses is the point. The point is anyone walks in with very vague symptoms are now being categorized as having "symptoms of ebola." And that's not an accurate representation.

Yes they are. Not to mention that he had been in an apartment that contained an ebola patient.
 
I'm sorry I don't know how to link to Twitter on here so I will type verbatim:

#Breaking wife of #Dallas Co Sheriff's deputy furious state health officials publicly released negative #Ebola test w/o telling her.

#Breaking Lisa Monnig says even her husband hasn't been told about negative #Ebola test. Follow me for latest more on CBS 11 News 4pm.

From J.D. Miles Twitter acct.

This is a shame. Not how this should be handles, IMO. There are HIPPA laws, which have gone out the window in this deputy's case, it seems. Not to mention, he was left out of the initial "watched" group from the get-go. Not a good way to inspire confidence in the system, IMO.

I'm sure that technically this is not the way it should have been handled. However, they were probably only trying to stop some of the hysteria & get the news out ASAP.
 
Yes they are. Not to mention that he had been in an apartment that contained an ebola patient.

Fever is almost always present in early ebola. It is one of the "flu like symptoms" present in the first days.
 
Fever is almost always present in early ebola. It is one of the "flu like symptoms" present in the first days.

I understand that, however in rare cases ebola patients present as afebrile.
 
IMO There has been failure in news reports to mention that the 4000 military folks over there are specifically trained to do that. Containment. Protective gear. They are trained in haz mat stuff, construction of containment centers specifically for something like bio terrorism (which treasures the identical skill set and training).

Their tool kits are specifically designed for just that task. The levels of training and practice scenarios are just what they are to do upon setting up. The media making it seem like we sending over “regular” military folks, as opposed to highly trained specialists leaves out a vital reality.and fact. Instead of causing anger or fear it should be comforting that specialistsare on the move the liklihhod , with them over there is great news and IMO - US should have done so far earlier - the present situation,IMO, would be a far different situation than have allowed uneducatied, supply less, and filthy facilities to address a sitution that requires exacly the opposite parameters to slow it all down.IMO


It is identical , would prefer an oncologist for their treatment, or one the finest, the Pulitzer Prize winning cancer doctor, in the US treating us .The best open heart surgeon in the country vs..........................Your with me .....


The bottom line is it’s the highest level" of training, Rodriguez said. "They are specifically trained to do that, and that is their speciality."


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/the-us-military-wages-war-on-ebola/381197/


Re coughing sneezing


IMO we can apply could and woulds to practically. Lots of pros putting out statements like that is not helpful. In terms of what we know, have seen and watched supports the basic conclusion that direct contact with body fluids is, factual by the evidence thus far ,regarding what is happening. What has happended thus far.


The folks in industrial nations that have tested postive all have been over there, in roles that involve direct contact with already infected people. Statements with the absence of reminding folks, endlessly, that the conditions over there (10 in a room, no sewers, no chlorinated water, sewer that (share) vomit are ripe for any illness (bar cancer and and stuff).

Moreover, they are bathing and washing clothes in the very same place the aforementioned end up. In many respects just the above mentioned in and of themselves make sense in where it has been transmitted to a cluster of cases. Cultural (hands on in death) also adds credence, that we , for the most part, have a solid “information” subset (as it relates to transmission) that is bearing itself out. Factually.


Additionally, if the symptoms were rarer there is less opportunity for misdiagnosis. HIV, the symptoms were far more different (than symtomlgy which can apply to and endless array of illiness)which helped monitor the actual spread. It provided accurate info in terms of actual transmisson.

IE- becoming blind or growing purple lesions is more narrowing in terms of correct diagnosis, The cluster of symptoms are the same symptoms for thousands and thousands of non fatal illness. Anyone who runs a fever sweats. Many illness (drinking some bad milk= vomit and diarrhea etc)

I think I can say that before Duncan arrived there were 19,451,454 individuals , arriving in ER rooms, (with a fever, stomach problems ), across the nation on a daily basis - my made up number (!) is probably way to low!



These realities, IMO, are much more related to the illness spreading in certain locations as opposed to the virus in and of itself – the flu as far easier to get than this. I suppose in one way it could be compared to HIV in very promiscuous individuals are far more likely to get infected than monogmous folks. The illness did not “target” homosexuals , the gay lifestyle tends to be less monogamous than married individuals, generally speaking.

And lets remember that the same behaviors, in the beginning (ie gas masks- HIV) turned out to be panic instead of anything meaningful. The refusal to hug, in the beginning , was, pointless, the notion that only hoamosexuals could become infected - proven not to be the case - it related to sex, in much the same way IMO , living in squaler is far more influential in spreading as oppossed to the virus itslef. The horrific painful death ads to the panic.
 
I think I can say that before Duncan arrived there were 19,451,454s individuals , arriving in ER rooms, (with a fever, stomach problems ) across the nation on a daily basis - my made up number (!) is probably way to low!

Yes, and when people arrive with fever, muscle aches, and malaise, we in the medical profession call those "flu like symptoms." Now suddenly we are characterizing people who come to the ER like that as having "symptoms of ebola." Not even "ebola-like symptoms." I think these characterizations are contributing to the public panic.
 
[h=1]Thomas Eric Duncan: 6 ways his case differs from other U.S. Ebola cases[/h]
"Eric Duncan was treated unfairly. Eric walked into the hospital, the other patients were carried in after an 18 hour flight," Josephus Weeks said in a written statement. "It is suspicious to us that all the white patients survived and this one black patient passed away. It took 8 days to get him medicine. He didn't begin treatment in Africa, he began treatment here, but he wasn't given a chance."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-duncan-death-cause/index.html

I have issue with the statement "Duncan was treated unfairly" in conjunction with the statement "He didn't begin treatment in Africa, he began treatment here, but he wasn't given a chance."

Um had he shown signs of Ebola in Africa, he would NOT have left Africa, much less been transported by special protective escort as the infected doctors/releief workers were. We can't transport non American citizens into America for Ebola treatment.

How on earth is the fact that he did not start treatment in Africa - when it is claimed that he didn't know he had it - even relevant. I'm not sure I get that point. He came to america by falsifying information to his own country, was treated here a QUADRILLION times better than his own country would have treated him ( as he saw when Marthalene died) and this Joesph Weeks is complaining over that???
 
Yes, and when people arrive with fever, muscle aches, and malaise, we in the medical profession call those "flu like symptoms." Now suddenly we are characterizing people who come to the ER like that as having "symptoms of ebola." Not even "ebola-like symptoms." I think these characterizations are contributing to the public panic.


His symptoms were characterized that way because he had been in an ebola house. Other's who are characterized that way had recently been to W.A. or exposed to ebola in some way.
 
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