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cianne said:
Was that the same "infectious diseases doctor" who quite clearly claimed ebola could be stopped with soap and water? I about came out of my chair when those words fell out of her mouth.
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Ebola isn't some magic evil entity - it is just a particularly dangerous and unpleasant virus - but still just a virus.

One of the key things in the fight against Ebola in WA is the PH education outreach teams that are going round telling villagers about Ebola and giving them tips about how to avoid contracting it.

The most important thing is regular hand hygiene with soap and water. So yes the infectious disease doctor was quite correct- soap and water CAN stop Ebola spreading.

Ebola crisis: Five ways to avoid the deadly virus
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28940025

1. Soap and water

Wash your hands often with soap and clean water - and use clean towels to dry them. This can be difficult in slum and rural areas where there is not always direct access to clean water - but it is an effective way to kill the virus. Ordinary soap is all that's needed.

Shaking hands should also generally be avoided, Dr Unni Krishnan of Plan International told BBC Africa, because Ebola spreads quickly when people come into contact with an infected person's body fluids and symptoms can take a while to show. Other forms of greeting are being encouraged, he says.
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As for the 'epidemic of vomiting', I suspect that it's mostly, or even all, an 'epidemic of reporting of vomiting.' We have something that, a month ago, wouldn't have been given a sentence in the local news, and now it's a lead story in the national news.
 
WHO article following one of their doctors, Peter Clement working in remote and sometimes hostile areas of Liberia


http://www.who.int/features/2014/liberia-stopping-ebola/en/


Dr Clement said the key to working with a hostile community is listening first. So he patiently listened to the community to understand their fears, then he started to explain about the virus and how people can prevent from getting infected.

Once they knew what Ebola was and how to stop it, they declared together: “No more Ebola in our community from today.”
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Immediately, the people living in the community came up with their own plan that spread to all the households. They said:
- Ebola is a disease, not a curse, not a government plot.
- Those that are sick must go to the MSF clinic in Foya.
- No one can bury their loved ones anymore. Effective immediately they would call the people who do it safely.
-Although they are a very friendly people, there would be no more physical contact when greeting one another.
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New vets from A&M have taken Bentley and moved him into a lab type environment where he is kept in a cage with a metal floor and receives NO human contact (have to wonder if he even gets bedding or if he has to sleep on a metal grate).

He is being treated like a lab animal now. :(

That really really sucks. Only positive is it could possibly save countless other dogs from being used and then killed in lab experiments, but sadly I doubt if it will, somebody will get funding and do it anyway.

According to Dr. Eleanor Green, dean of the College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, Bentley is in an area called the “metabolic cage” where urine and feces come down into the “cage.” All of the excrement is considered biomedical waste.

The waste is bagged and disposed of like human waste would be disposed of.

The doctors do not go into the area where Bentley is being housed and have no contact with the dog.

“He’s gotta suck it up for three weeks,” Dr. Green told CBS 11 News.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/texas-am-vets-now-caring-for-dog-of-ebola-dallas-patient/
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SeekingJana said:
Regarding the possibly psychogenic nature of the " random public vomiting" that's been going on.. As a person with both a nursing degree and a psychology degree, the psychological response to an international disease which is often fatal in the primitive host countries in W. Africa has been an important factor to me.
I have questioned what part of the actions done in the USA have been reactionary almost as much as questioning which parts have been left undone due to possible denial or lack of knowledge. I think most of us have figured out that our news is " selective" and often very biased, and I think most of us know that there have been some outrageous and full of BS things said and done related to illness and possible illness in the past 24-48 hours, especially.

So, what do I get in my inbox tonight? A Critical Care continuing education article titled " PTSD- Diagnosis, Treatment and the Path to Recovery. Although frequently associated with the military, PTSD can result from natural disasters or even threats of natural disasters and possibility of extreme illness and death."
And they are charging a whopping fee to participate in the CEU article reading and self- test. Profiteering is alive and well in America. I've laughed til I have tears. Sometimes, laughter is our best medicine. And on that note, I wish everyone a very happy and safe weekend.. Go out, be happy, live life to its fullest, OK? A positive attitude is a great stress- buster. :)
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Good advice ! :) The DD was at a concert in downtown Dallas last night. I said ' dont bring home ebola' and she said ' ok' and that was as much ' worry ' as I gave it. So far who has contracted it? Those in ' direct contact with Duncan's body fluids'........ ie: exactly the only persons we were TOLD could get it. No person who was touching money, doorknobs, a corny dog, a bus seat, etc . have gotten it. So think about that and it's pretty good news. I did wonder, initially , if people might come down with it all over, neighbors from the apartments, Duncan's barista at starbucks, the pizza guy who delivered, etc. No one did. Two nurses who were in the trenches with him at his sickest . So that should lead everyone to see the 'general public' is at little to almost zero risk.

ETA Of course I'll breath a bigger sigh of relief when the 21 days have passed , post nurses' diagnosis but for right now, it's looking pretty good.

ETA again. It's also important to note that the two nurses , who got prompt care , seem to be doing remarkably well for what we know of this virus. So the other lesson to the story is , even if you got ebola, if you got straight to medical help , your chances are not as bleak as only 10% survival rate . Big sigh ,everyone. We're going to be ok :)
 
Sonya610 said:
New vets from A&M have taken Bentley and moved him into a lab type environment where he is kept in a cage with a metal floor and receives NO human contact (have to wonder if he even gets bedding or if he has to sleep on a metal grate).

He is being treated like a lab animal now. :(

That really really sucks. Only positive is it could possibly save countless other dogs from being used and then killed in lab experiments, but sadly I doubt if it will, somebody will get funding and do it anyway.
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I wonder if that means he's carrying the virus.


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I went to my doctor's office yesterday to get my 'flu shot.

Receptionist did ask if I had traveled to Africa or knew anyone who had traveled to Africa, and if I had had contact with anyone with 'flu or 'flu-like symptoms.
 
SStarr33 said:
Presby doc on Ebola response: 'Epitome of health care'

Long interview--45 minutes

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/heal...n-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/
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I just watched a few minutes of this at 10pm on the tv. One thing he said that struck me was that HE , personally felt, ( i believe he said this ONE doctor believes ) that the initial suits they wore should have had ' respirators' on them? ( i know im not thinking of the correct term ) Seems to me he was implying this is why the nurses got the virus. I found it odd and wondered what others thought of that.
 
Laughing said:
I went to my doctor's office yesterday to get my 'flu shot.

Receptionist did ask if I had traveled to Africa or knew anyone who had traveled to Africa, and if I had had contact with anyone with 'flu or 'flu-like symptoms.
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I would have left. If someone asked me that I would tell to go to hell. jmo idk

I had my appendix removed, emergency surgery and when I went to see the Dr that did the procedure at his office for a follow up the receptionist handed me 4 sheets of paper front and back to fill out. After I looked at the papers and determined that the ?'s had nothing to do with the surgery that the Dr had performed( not my family Dr) I walked back up to the receptionist and handed her the papers back and left. And I never got a bill. Too many ?'s for me. jmo idk
 
Wyle_E_Coyote said:
I wonder if that means he's carrying the virus.
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No, I think they just don't want to bother with hazmat suits, they would rather treat him as a lab specimen. If he showed signs of HAVING the virus then they would want regular blood samples and such, but they don't plan to even go in the room or have contact with him.

ETA - I posted the link to that article along with a comment saying how sad that is on the Dallas Animal Services facebook page (where all of the Bentley updates and fan messages are left).

https://www.facebook.com/dallasanimalservices

They replied immediately on the page and at first said they had no clue "how I got that idea", then they read the LINK I included and said it is NOT accurate and they will work to get that article corrected asap. The head vet at A&M is directly quoted in that article making those statements so it will be interesting to see what happens.

If that story is accurate then they won't be able to post any more cute "Bentley having fun with toys and caregiver pics". It will also likely impact the number of gifts and donations that have flooded in to them.
 
Ebola Scare Turns Dallas Hospital Into a 'Ghost Town'
Oct 18, 2014, 5:58 AM ET

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-scare-turns-dallas-hospital-ghost-town/story?id=26276610

"I would tell this community that Presby is an absolutely safe hospital to come to," Varga told ABC News chief health and medical editor Dr. Richard Besser on Thursday. "We've been in communication with our doctors that have their private offices in our professional buildings around the campus who are getting 40, 50, 60 percent cancellations just for fear of being somewhere in the geography of the hospital where Ebola is treated."
 
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