ButForFortune
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There is so much hatred toward this nurse who has no symptoms.
And she did have a symptom - she had a 101 degree temperature.
There is so much hatred toward this nurse who has no symptoms.
And she did have a symptom - she had a 101 degree temperature.
Just watched the interview. IMO the nurse and her attorney are gearing up for a lawsuit and a big payout. "I am the one who is suffering", "my freedom", "my civil rights". And threatening such if the quarantine is lifted by today?? All with a smile on her face. Really?? What is so tough about staying in your home for the balance of the 21 days. I have no hatred for her, but I do question her true agenda here. (The tent was a bit of a mess, I will admit!)
Do all scientists agree that you must have symptoms to be contagious?
Do all scientists agree that you must have symptoms to be contagious?
I am very very fortunate to live in a beautiful home which has just about any modern convenience I could want. I have the means to have food and other necessities delivered. I'm such a homebody, it wouldn't bother me much to "have to" stay home for 3 weeks. However, I would NOT have been okay with being forced to stay in that tent with a porta potty and no bathing facilities for 3 weeks. I find it amazing that not only were people defending it, they were insisting it's no big deal to not be able to shower for 3 weeks or have functional plumbing.
The tent was completely unacceptable.
No. Nobel prize winning Dr. Beutler is quoted in this publication as an article attached to the poll. (Poll: How do you rate Chris Christies performance in dealing with concerns over Ebola?)Do all scientists agree that you must have symptoms to be contagious?
www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf
A person with Ebola can be asymptomatic but still transfer the disease through blood and other various bodily excretions, but its very uncommon.
My doctor and his wife are both doctors. They are extremely good people in my view. I had to go in to see him a few days ago because it was time to renew my prescriptions. He and his wife actually go overseas every summer on their vacation with other doctors. They have been doing this for almost 20 years.
I actually asked him if he and his wife went this year. He said no, they did not go the end of August because he felt that his first loyalty was to his patients here in the United States. They would not risk bringing any contagious disease back here. There were several doctors from a
tri-state area that did not go because of this. These doctors felt a greater responsibility to their patients here. I admire and respect the work they have all done in underprivileged countries, but even more respect their decisions concerning this year.
I think my doctor was rather candid with me because I have known he and his wife for 28 years and we go to the same church. He actually delivered my first grandchild 26 years ago.
I believe this nurse, Kaci, has done a great thing by volunteering her nursing capabilities in that country, but at least be proactive in protecting her family, friends, and the general public now that she is back here. By not agreeing to a 21 day quarantine now that she is back is a very selfish and careless thing in my opinion. I honestly do not understand what her thought process is. Maybe she is not carrying the disease and will not get it, but WHY take the chance? She DID have a temperature upon arrival back to the United States.
My own mother was a registered nurse since the age of 25. She feels the same way I do and doesn't mind saying it.
This is my opinion and throw tomatoes if you want to. I make a mean spaghetti sauce with fresh tomatoes!
MOO
Your response does not accurately reflect what the doctor said. Truth be told, he stopped short of actually making any such claim.
Yes, he questioned the WHO/CDC working belief that someone who is asymptomatic cannot transmit the disease. But in so doing, the manner in which he did so did NOT claim he had any evidence they were wrong, instead he was quoted saying "It may not be absolutely true that ____ ..." and "It could be __ ..." and "I'm not sure about ___ ..." and "I don't completely trust ___ ...". While the article was written as if he was poking holes in the claim that one who is asymptomatic cannot transmit the disease, he was actually more of an agnostic on the idea (it MIGHT be wrong) rather than at any point saying it has been proven false.
And that's a huge difference. "I wonder if it's really true" is not the same thing as saying that it's false. It's easy to look at the credentials, and ignore the fact that he doesn't actually claim to know and is instead merely expressing his unverified thoughts on the matter.
Can they? Have they? I don't know the answer, but I've yet to see anyone claim they have verifiable proof that the CDC/WHO has it wrong, when it comes to the transmission of the disease.
Can they? Have they? I don't know the answer, but I've yet to see anyone claim they have verifiable proof that the CDC/WHO has it wrong, when it comes to the transmission of the disease.
Just watched the interview. IMO the nurse and her attorney are gearing up for a lawsuit and a big payout. "I am the one who is suffering", "my freedom", "my civil rights". And threatening such if the quarantine is lifted by today?? All with a smile on her face. Really?? What is so tough about staying in your home for the balance of the 21 days. I have no hatred for her, but I do question her true agenda here. (The tent was a bit of a mess, I will admit!)
There is so much hatred toward this nurse who has no symptoms.
Well that's just it, no one really seems to know 100% how the disease can be transmitted. Some experts are saying that the virus can survive hours on a flat, dry surface and semen infected with the virus can survive for days. There have been so many contradictions between infectious disease experts it is like a multiple choice quiz. I really don't see how anyone can thump their chest and shout that their view is the "one" to believe.
She doesn't have a problem with self monitoring. She has a problem with forced quarantine, which is a whole different thing.
I would not have handled this in the way she has. I think WichitaFalls had a much better idea.
Public health policies have to be based on something, however. A general consensus within the world medical community says that asymptomatic individuals, particularly those with no discernible virus in their blood as shown by a negative ebola test, are not a public health threat. By virtue of having a negative ebola test in her hand, that should have negated the need to forcibly quarantine her in a make shift isolation ward with no functional plumbing. The fact that you can find an "expert" here and there to question the general accepted medical consensus should not mean that public policy needs to cater to the objections of these individuals. There are board certified doctors who reject the notion of brain death. Does that mean we should suddenly cease all organ donations in order to satisfy the objections of these credentialed medical practitioners?
Note that I am not making an argument either for or against home isolation during a 21 day incubation period, simply that there was no need to keep this woman in that ridiculous tent with a normal temperature upon follow up, and most certainly not after her negative ebola test.
He is an authority in the field and my interpretation is that he "can't say with certainty"... IMO, he is a responsible professional in that he is saying that it is an unknown.