Egypt Air flight 804 missing, 19 May 2016

[MelmothTheLost]

From the Telegraph's news feed in the 5.59am summary:

However neither the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant nor al-Qaeda have, as yet, claimed responsibility for downing the aircraft.


In addition, a US review of satellite imagery has not, thus far, shown any evidence of an explosion having taken place.

I'm starting to wonder if there was a struggle in the cockpit between the pilot and co-pilot which led to the plane's strange girations, or if it was a repeat of the Germanwings case. There was the strange case of the Egyptair flight 990 which dived into the Atlantic back in 1999 which US authorities believed was due to co-pilot suicide while the Egyptian authorities flatly denied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If it was any normal malfunction the pilots would have said something.

Not necessarily. Pilot training for dealing with technical issues teaches:

1. Aviate (keep the plane in the air)
2. Navigate (going in the right direction)
3. Communicate.

In a real emergency they are too busy trying to keep the plane in the air to worry about talking to ATC.

 

[jslk]

What about the pingers? If it's in water, won't the pingers be emiting pings? *mh370 memories*

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[MelmothTheLost]

A320 dont "float".

Actually they can. They are fitted with a ditch switch that closes and seals all the various inlets and outlets ahead of a planned ditching.

US Airways flight 1549 sank in the Hudson partly because the crew did not activate the switch and partly because the landing tore holes in the fuselage bigger than the ones that would have been closed by the ditch switch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549

With a sealed and unbreached hull, an A320 can float almost indefinitely.

 

[Nancee Drue]

Maybe a terrorist took over in the cockpit, and destroyed all radar capabilities. Then, maybe Terrorist flew the plane somewhere, and landed it, all undetected.

 

[Emi]

Why are we referring to an airplane as she instead of it

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[Hatfield]

What about the pingers? If it's in water, won't the pingers be emiting pings? *mh370 memories*

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I was thinking about the pingers yesterday. Get some darn boats in the water and try listening for the pingers. Immediately.

But no. They will wait about 30 days looking for the plane debri and then think about the pingers about the time they tell us the batteries on the pingers are about to run out.

 

[Emi]

BREAKING NEWS: According to Egyptian military officials debris from the airplane found, part of the plane found - looking for links but this was just said on CNN

 

[SouthAussie]

BREAKING NEWS: According to Egyptian military officials debris from the airplane found, part of the plane found - looking for links but this was just said on CNN

There is this link ... info just coming through now.

10:08am
Personal belongings found - Egyptian military
"Egyptian aircraft and navy vessels have found personal belongings of passengers and parts of the wreckage 290 kilometres (180 miles) north of Alexandria," a spokesman for the Egyptian military has said.

10:06am
Egypt's state television, Nile TV, is reporting that the Egyptian military has found some wreckage of the missing aircraft in the Mediterranean around 290km north of Alexandria.
There are no details of what they say they've found and a spokesman for the military was not immediately available.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ry-of-missing-flight-ms804-as-us-intelligenc/

 

[Emi]

[video=cnn;world/2016/05/19/egyptair-flight-804-disappears-timeline-sdg-orig.cnn]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/19/middleeast/egyptair-flight-804-liveblog/index.html?adkey=bn[/video]
EgyptAir confirms on Twitter

EgyptAir has confirmed reports debris from Flight 804 has been located and offered its condolences to the families of those presumed dead on board the aircraft.

"EgyptAir mourns the families of the flight 804 victims and expresses its deep regret for this tragic incident."

 

[SouthAussie]

Evidently they are now onto the crash zone. Official condolences now taking place.

10:31am
Egyptian leader says no survivors in crash, mourns their loss
"The presidency with utmost sadness and regret mourns the victims on aboard the EgyptAir flight who were killed after the plane crashed in the Mediterranean on its way back to Cairo from Paris," Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said in a statement issued by his office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ry-of-missing-flight-ms804-as-us-intelligenc/

 

[MathildaM]

Looks a likely area based on last known position

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6700324

 

[MathildaM]

I think this is pretty cool - Map of International Waters

http://donutholes.ch/

 

[SouthAussie]

11:24am
Full statement from Egyptian military on debris, belongings discovery
It reads:

"With regards to the search efforts of the armed forces for the missing plane...the Egyptian Navy this morning (Friday 20.05.16) found a few personal belongings of the passengers, as well as a piece of the plane in the area north of Alexandria at a distance of 290km. We will continue our search, comb the area and pick up what we find."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ry-of-missing-flight-ms804-as-us-intelligenc/

 

[emirates1957]

Your right in actual fact most hurricanes and in particular boats/nautical are referred to "she"......there are certain airlines which will have a female name painted to their fuesalage, to date I have never seen a masculine notation.

 

[emirates1957]

WIsh I knew how to look up that information, thank you so much.

 

[MathildaM]

WIsh I knew how to look up that information, thank you so much.

Which information Emirates1957?

 

[Sarahlou]

A rather strange picture posted by the air hostess on her Facebook..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...opes-loved-ones-survived.html#article-3600761

Very sad for the families. RIP to all

 

[Jennibee]

I'm starting to think flying is not worth it. The last time for me was in 2007 to Sharm-el-Sheikh and I do think it was the last for me.

RIP to all on board. So devastating especially as there were children who hadn't even begun to live their lives.


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[jslk]

A rather strange picture posted by the air hostess on her Facebook..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...opes-loved-ones-survived.html#article-3600761

Very sad for the families. RIP to all

That picture is super strange... wish we knew the context!

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