Email sent to 490 people who were at Skyline School on 6/4/10

[nervous_nellie]

http://www.nobodycases.com/tips.pdf

If this is a basic script for preparing for trial without a body, I can see why LE put out this email at this stage.

for anyone who hasnt read this, this is an excellent collection of information! thanx surfie!!

 

[grandmaj]

I agree with the posters who think this was an intentional release of information. I can't believe that they would float this information unless they wanted certain information confirmed by others, and they want the defense lawyers to know that investigators have confirmed that there were certain people at the school that day.

 

[nursebeeme]

this is great info and great insight into the investigation.


dotting I's... crossing t's... I concur with those who have posted this and add my input here as well.

I also feel they have much more circumstantial evidence on Terri at this point. they are circiling in for the last dance if you have it.

moo.

I only need to look at Caylee Anthony's case to see this dance... it was done early on before her remains were found. This too will be the case unless they are able to find him imhoo.

They (LE) knows imhoo again imhoo that he is no longer with us... not having him and finding him is horrible. I pray in this advent season that justice can come for this child. I pray that he is not a alone too much longer out there and that he can be found.

I further pray that anyone who has not divulged information comes forth at this time. It is just time to say what you know and shed the thoughts that you may be protecting someone. This is about a child. A child who needs to be found.

 

[Morag]

Actually, there were some comments on a news site where some people claiming to be kids at the school said there was a creepy man at or near the school...no way to know if they were goofing around, it was that first day or second day.

Dontcha hate it when you can't find what you're looking for? On one of the early Kyron stories (june 4 or 5) in the Oregonian there was a comment from someone claiming to be a Skyline kid or a sibling of same. This comment did not mention creepy guy, but it did say (something like) 'we kids have a few ideas of our own about what happened.' But now, when I went back to look for it, the comment is no longer there. As I recall, it sounded like a kid's writing, and it was almost immediately after the disappearance- 12-24 hours. Does anyone else recall this?
I seem to remember that the creepy guy was mentioned on Facebook, although I didn't see it for myself. The comment on the Oregonian, I definitely saw, and saw it more than one time when I was looking to see when "the blogs", as Terri put it, started "blaming" her. (Almost immediately, FWIW).

 

[Janeumayer]

Morag, I do remember that comment made by a girl. I think she was in 6th or 7th grade? I just can't recall what she wrote.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Morag, I do remember that comment made by a girl. I think she was in 6th or 7th grade? I just can't recall what she wrote.

Would a 6th or 7th grader have been at Kyron's school that morning? :waitasec:

Also, there's no real way to verify ages on message boards, and even so, whatever they posted there would be considered an unverified rumor anyway.

 

[SmoothOperator]

The link from SurfieTX has excellent and relevant info to not only what we're discussing in this thread{about LE tactic of sending out new questionaire}and many other important details that need to be seen{as it makes perfectly clear that what MCSO is/has been doing in this investigation is in NO WAY WHATSOEVER indicative of LE being "lost" or not correctly investigating, why they are doing the things they are doing.. At this link all of that and more is discussed.. I'll just snip a couple of them and the rest of info is on pdf at the link{I'll repost link at bottom ofthis post}

It states that in an investigatiom it is smart to interview, re-interview, and re-interview again..To continue doing this as the investigation progresses... That it is very wise to not only re-interview, and re-visit info, events, or actions from the same people, but also wise to use questionaires so that you have in black and white the differnt accounts given and therefor it can be seen that from one interview to the next to see if any parts of the person's acct have changed..especially drastically or consistently changing..

Just goes to show that what MCSO is currently doing in this investigation is in no way a negative rather is a very wise and neccessary step in this investigation..

Another point is the fact that I posted on couple of months back that many of us have enough of the dots connected for the picture to be clear as to whom is involved in "disappearing" Kyron..This is shown to be done in courtrooms with prosecutions successfully convicting the perp, even if they do not have a body..Here's an example talked about that describes how this does indeed work..

snip~
I have an older sister and like every good little brother I tried to be as much of a pest as I possibly could. My sister loved to do jigsaw puzzles and would do these huge 500-1000 piece puzzles of many detailed scenes. They would take like a week to complete. Because I was a pest I would always take and hide pieces of her puzzle under my mattress. Thus, I was secure in the knowledge that she would never ever completely finish the puzzle. But you know what? My sister never cared. She would finish the puzzle, minus the missing pieces I had hidden and she could still tell what the scene was. She knew I had pieces hidden but she didn't care. It was still a picture of a beach, the park, the U.S. Capitol. ~end

Just as with Terri has info they very much need to solve or complete this puzzle of Kyron's case, but she is unwilling to give it and only continues to hide that info..

Well, its the same as the analogy above that LE will still complete the puzzle[i.e. the investigation} and even with those hidden or missing pieces that Terri has.. the scene of the puzzle is still crystal clear..

As I said it very much shows how that MCSO is right on par with how the investigation should be going and that they will be indeed prepared for the prosecution of this case EVEN IF KYRON IS NEVER FOUND..

much much more info at the link.. http://www.nobodycases.com/tips.pdf

 

[sorrell skye]

Would a 6th or 7th grader have been at Kyron's school that morning? :waitasec:

snipped & bbm

In answer to this question: Skyline School is a K-8 school.

 

[grandmaj]

Stop discussing comments on FB of minors, and comments at the bottom of MSM news stories. Both are :nono: WE do not sleuth minors........ I don't know how many times I have to repeat this.... Knock off the minor sleuthing and bringing comments here! At the very most we allow you to link to an article comment, and say interesting, but it is not considered fact! Linkable facts Peeps!

 

[KariKae]

What about those that don't have e-mail?
Did they give them to the kids to take home?
Were these lists sent out via snail mail as well?>

What about families that have moved out of the area?

can the culprit say, "hey I wasn't there...take my name of the list"

(If I did something terrible and then was sent a list with my name on it of people that were around when it happened that is what I would do)

Or does a culprit who thought s/he was laying low see his/her name on the list?

 

[miabellamoure]

Not that I am aware of and IMO it is important to remember the only one who mentioned the man with two girls was Terri in an email.

Reading of the email sent out by LE brought me back to one part of Terri's accounting of June 4th...

“I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

I'd also love to know if the reference (bbm) made by Terri can be traced back to WHO told her this.

Surely she could identify WHO she heard this from. Surely that person could identify at least one of the "2 GIRLS" who were reportedly seen in the company of Kyron & the male "chaperone".

The mention of baby K****'s name can also be taken two ways...one could be that the teacher reported that day, that K**** WAS THERE with Terri & Kyron or she WAS NOT there.

The same can be speculated of some students, parents and teacher's who might have reported NOT seeing baby K**** with Terri & Kyron inside the school BUT, a student or a parent arriving or leaving that morning might have remembered seeing Kaine's truck parked on or near the school grounds with K**** INSIDE it (with another adult).

(Imo) of this latest info is just another process for LE in crossing all their T's & dotting all their I's...in the making of their case against the one who's name is missing from the list in the email.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Would a 6th or 7th grader have been at Kyron's school that morning? :waitasec:

SBM

There better have been 6th, 7th and 8th graders present at the school that morning since Skyline is a k-8 school (common in rural areas).

One of the kids who was in the MSM said that he saw Kyron without TMH that morning; that kid was a 7th or 8th grader, as I recall.

 

[cluciano63]

SBM

There better have been 6th, 7th and 8th graders present at the school that morning since Skyline is a k-8 school (common in rural areas).

One of the kids who was in the MSM said that he saw Kyron without TMH that morning; that kid was a 7th or 8th grader, as I recall.

Not to veer too much OT, but I can't think when Kyron would have been alone and Terri not with him, during what seems to be less than an hour total...maybe as little as 40 minutes. Or was this child just wrong, as presumably the other child was wrong?

 

[ami]

Not to veer too much OT, but I can't think when Kyron would have been alone and Terri not with him, during what seems to be less than an hour total...maybe as little as 40 minutes. Or was this child just wrong, as presumably the other child was wrong?

Well, she could have been there but standing a few feet away and a child might not have noticed (they don't always notice adults when they're right in front of them, lol!), or a poster was between them, or Terri was chatting with another adult nearby (and what could be more boring and less attention grabbing than two adults talking) or she was standing right there and he simply didn't record it. Or, you know, maybe she wasn't really near him and the child was totally right. Another toss up without good info...

 

[gwenabob]

SBM

There better have been 6th, 7th and 8th graders present at the school that morning since Skyline is a k-8 school (common in rural areas).

One of the kids who was in the MSM said that he saw Kyron without TMH that morning; that kid was a 7th or 8th grader, as I recall.

Skyline is part of Portland Public Schools, the largest school district in Oregon. There are many, many K-8 schools in the district. It has nothing to do with it being "rural." Skyline is just a few minutes from downtown Portland.

 

[TxLady2]

I just can't see how this is helping to "wrap up" their case against TMH. Determine that there wasn't anybody KNOWN to be at the school who they didn't consider? Well, I gotta tell you, that is the LEAST of what I would expect an investigation to include and producing this list "Well, these are the folks who we know were there" begs the question "what if Kyron was abducted by somebody you DON'T know was there?" and really the only way this could be REMOTELY helpful to eliminate the "stranger abduction theory" is if there is someone dependable who can say that 1. They could recognize on sight every single individual named on the list and 2.They are 100% certain they saw nobody else at the school that day. That's not very likely. What is likely is that most people who receive the list won't know, even casually, at least half of the people on it, which means that at least half of the people they might have encountered at the school were strangers to them. I can't see anyway that this is intended to bolster their case against TMH. A defense attorney would consider this list a blessing, parade all 400+ of them thru the stand "How about this guy? Would you be able to recognize him?" It would be a silver platter full of reasonable doubt.

I think they are fairly certain somebody else WAS there who is involved and that TMH knows (to at least some extent) who it was b/c she was an associate of this person... but no one has been able to supply them any information about who the person is, what the person looks like, etc. I think they have no solid clues but I do think they know that TMH knows quite a lot about what happened to Kyron. Her timeline that day screams "something really bad happened, but I can't fix it so I'm going pretend like everything is normal" I think the purpose of this list is one more attempt to find out who the person is, just like the plea for information about the identity of a mystery adult seen by TMH's truck.

I have not much confidence in this investigation, I think they won't ever know a thing until TMH talks and I don't think that's going to happen. If losing Baby K wasn't going to get her to talk, nothing will except for possibly the opportunity to get attention for herself once everyone has nearly forgotten about her.

Some very good points and ITA. Doesn't give me any warm fuzzy feelings that they are close to wrapping things up. On the contrary, kind of looks to me like they are grasping at straws, but that is just MOO.
Also... there are probably many people who are like me and wouldn't recognize a name unless it had a picture attached.

 

[TxLady2]

Bumping this, in case anyone might have a question as to why LE is doing what they are doing, and doing it at this time.
Thanks again for this SurfieTx

To prosecute a case with no body, they have to have some viable evidence that there IS a body. In other words, they have to have proof that the person is dead and a reasonable suspicion that they were murdered. How is that email going to prove that?

It's a very good article, but it doesn't address the fact that as far as we know, there is no evidence proving Kyron is dead, or that Terri killed him. IF they are holding any such evidence and allowing the parents to go on believing he is alive, then that would be beyond cruel and unethical.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Some very good points and ITA. Doesn't give me any warm fuzzy feelings that they are close to wrapping things up. On the contrary, kind of looks to me like they are grasping at straws, but that is just MOO.
Also... there are probably many people who are like me and wouldn't recognize a name unless it had a picture attached.

One problem with the timing of that email is the timing. If this ever goes to court, the defence is going to point at the six and a half month delay.

Also, it has been extensively proven that what you get from a survey is directly connected to how you construct the survey. If they are really trying to tie up loose ends and show that they know everyone that was in the school that day, they would have asked respondents "how many people did you see that morning that you did not know by name?"

You can be sure the defence will ask.

 

[SurfieTX]

IIRC when doing the case file review, the first 2 weeks were spent interviewing everyone at the school that day. The number I seem to recall was 300. If I had to guess, I would imagine that that number was mostly adults and staff with a few more intimate interviews with the children who came forward stating that they had seen Kyron and/or Terri that morning.

 

[BringKyronHome]

I think also, the they may have released the list to the public to fish out anyone that claimed to be at there that was not. If say a facilities worker claimed to have been there, yet someone saw him at Home Depot buying a shovel at 10am...that might raise a flag.