Evidence connecting JR, CWW and/or MS to one another. How/when do their paths cross?

[creepingskills]

I wondered about that, but haven't taken the time to look into it. My impression was that there were "3 strike" laws and that CWW would have gotten harsher sentencing the 3rd time he had drug charges. But while discussing (or perhaps babbling endlessly) with my husband, he suggested that if the first "strike" predates the "3 strike" laws, then it wouldn't count. Which makes sense.

But again, that is just supposition and wondering.


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IIRC, soon after JR's arrest his lawyer told MSM he was concerned about FL 3 strike law.

 

[Stopwatch]

IIRC, soon after JR's arrest his lawyer told MSM he was concerned about FL 3 strike law.

I found that a bit strange. Wasn't that a violation of attorney-client privilege? Or did JR want that information shared? I can't see how it would help him.

 

[Paulas88]

I found that a bit strange. Wasn't that a violation of attorney-client privilege? Or did JR want that information shared? I can't see how it would help him.

That was just some attorney slight of hand stuff. JR quite possible will be facing the
death penalty down the road a bit. IMO

 

[PeskySlueth]

That was just some attorney slight of hand stuff. JR quite possible will be facing the
death penalty down the road a bit. IMO

We can only hope! It still blows my mind to think of the psychopathy involved to suit up for the kill. That poor precious woman.

 

[SeesSeas]

But with the advantage of distance, it wouldn't be hard to extricate yourself from the friendship when CWW is mainly in MO. MS's family is in FL, why go back to MO? Take Skinner for example. He cut out CWW from his life and still lives to post about it.

I don’t think Skinner ever claimed to be CWW’s friend.

And I believe that MS didn’t entirely know CWW’s dark side.

IIRC - Skinner primarily had a business relationship with CWW, which started after MS introduced CWW to Skinner because of CWW’s computer brilliance. Skinner had business connections to CWW for about a decade, when Skinner was about age 33 to 43. CWW is about 5 years younger. That type of relationship and the timing later in life seems that it would be easy to cut ties.

It’s much easier to extricate yourself from an adult business relationship vs a true friendship that started during childhood.

From what it seems, MS was a loyal friend of CWW for more than 3 decades; MS knew about some of CWW’s troubles (drugs) but not all of his troubles. Knowing CWW from childhood, maybe MS felt ‘unconditional love’ for him, similar to a brother or other family member.

Loyal and loving friends don’t simply discard a friend, especially during hard times. If we all gave up on each other so easily…. I would certainly wonder ‘what does it mean to be a true friend?’

 

[human]

A friend to a murderer? Small town. Everyone knows everything.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I don’t think Skinner ever claimed to be CWW’s friend.

And I believe that MS didn’t entirely know CWW’s dark side.

IIRC - Skinner primarily had a business relationship with CWW, which started after MS introduced CWW to Skinner because of CWW’s computer brilliance. Skinner had business connections to CWW for about a decade, when Skinner was about age 33 to 43. CWW is about 5 years younger. That type of relationship and the timing later in life seems that it would be easy to cut ties.

It’s much easier to extricate yourself from an adult business relationship vs a true friendship that started during childhood.

From what it seems, MS was a loyal friend of CWW for more than 3 decades; MS knew about some of CWW’s troubles (drugs) but not all of his troubles. Knowing CWW from childhood, maybe MS felt ‘unconditional love’ for him, similar to a brother or other family member.

Loyal and loving friends don’t simply discard a friend, especially during hard times. If we all gave up on each other so easily…. I would certainly wonder ‘what does it mean to be a true friend?’

I know 2 very good friends from the sandbox. Which at one point in separate times received close to 7 figures each. You would think your best friend for 30 plus years will say put this in your pocket. But no. They acted high and mighty and blew their money partying and buying stupid material things. Some friends will forget those years of friendship in a heart beat. While spending money on and with strangers.

Now of course a friend isn't obligated to say here you go. But when you spend 30 plus years supporting each other since kindergarten; You would think they would look out financially 1 time if needed. So you give them time and they don't offer but brag to you about their money every chance they get. Then you figure; Okay just ask for 1k to catch up on some quick bills. It shouldn't be a problem since we been through thick and thin since 4 years old. But then they act like the 1k you asked for from the 900k is a big problem.

So you say Forget it. AND realize that when it comes to money. It is every man for themselves. Lol

So Trust no one. Lol. Live and learn.

 

[Russian Blue]

I don’t think Skinner ever claimed to be CWW’s friend.

And I believe that MS didn’t entirely know CWW’s dark side.

IIRC - Skinner primarily had a business relationship with CWW, which started after MS introduced CWW to Skinner because of CWW’s computer brilliance. Skinner had business connections to CWW for about a decade, when Skinner was about age 33 to 43. CWW is about 5 years younger. That type of relationship and the timing later in life seems that it would be easy to cut ties.

It’s much easier to extricate yourself from an adult business relationship vs a true friendship that started during childhood.

From what it seems, MS was a loyal friend of CWW for more than 3 decades; MS knew about some of CWW’s troubles (drugs) but not all of his troubles. Knowing CWW from childhood, maybe MS felt ‘unconditional love’ for him, similar to a brother or other family member.

Loyal and loving friends don’t simply discard a friend, especially during hard times. If we all gave up on each other so easily…. I would certainly wonder ‘what does it mean to be a true friend?’

I get your point abut childhood friendships harder to remove yourself from and what loyal and loving friends do when the chips are down. I also think that this is partially a case where there were "the ties that bind".
Knowledge, secrets, hidden past.
Fear of exposure might be what is harder to let go of.

Or, maybe in MS's case never really giving up the past for his new life with TS due to never really being 100% accepted in this new life. Not everyone thinks he is such a prince. The old adage, "you can take the girl out of the country, but you can never take the country out of the girl". This could also be part of the complex nature of him remaining friends. Secrets do bind.
I think it is very the comment by Amazon Rain that MS had not friends (that she was aware of) outside of their friends in common (MS + TS) and TS's friends.

When MS met TS he met his alter ego, IMO, hard working, driven, goal orientated, knew what she wanted to do with her life, had plans, was making her life happen, educated, good looking, from a good family, was going to make better than average money and so on.

He shut down the access to a view of his previous life, because, IMO, she would of not moved forward in her life with the real MS, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE RELATIONSHIP, if she knew who he really was. But then again maybe with all of the second chance and benevolent feelings and actions toward others, she may have considered it. But the big BUT is, its seems she did not know the extent of MS past and his friends and family, she was not a frequent visitor to Missouri, and who doesn't know their husbands best friend? I mean really know.

 

[observation]

Not so that “Everyone knows everything” in a small town; perhaps many things, but not everything.

I don’t think MS knew about murders in Missouri or anywhere.

If MS did know about murders 20 years ago, I think that he and his children would currently be at great risk of harm from many of those in that ‘small town’ who know the dirty murder secrets and who would seek to silence MS.

MS isn’t in LE custody for any crime. And of our knowledge thus far, he has not ever had any arrests in his entire life up to age 47. No apparent drug or alcohol abuse. There isn’t anything that points to MS being a bad guy. Being a decades-long loyal friend to a bad guy doesn’t make MS a bad guy. MS likely didn’t know the extent of CWW’s crimes.

I can't highlight your last sentence from my phone BUT responding to- MS likely didn't know the extent of CWW's crimes.
If that is true- I cannot fathom that they are really best friends and "brothers." Crime is part of CWW's lifestyle, so I have to gently disagree with that statement.



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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

A friend to a murderer? Small town. Everyone knows everything.

Agree. I grew up in a town just a bit bigger than Hillsboro. It is inconceivable to me that he did not know of Bolin's disappearance and CWW’s possible involvement. From the doc, we know that LE interviewed a lot of people, including friends, ex's, and relatives. In a small town, this would have been talked up like crazy. And MS not only was buddies with CWW, his old fiance married Ronnie Bolin's brother. I don't think there's a snowball's chance MS didn't know, at a minimum, about the disappearance and allegations against CWW.

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[human]

If you look at the map posted or any map, you will see that 1200 miles is a long way

To maintain such a close friendship is difficult. As my husband says your life is filled up with your life.

Certainly MS had tons of things in his life. Children of that age alone take up your free time.

This kissy kissy close relationship is unusual to me. And I have friends since I was five, 13, and college so I am totally aware of the long distance friendship and the limitations of it.

To have CWW as a long distance computer tech where he also flew and drove 1200 miles is bizarre. If there is a computer issue with a business, you need it fixed instantly. Makes zero sense.

If you have a purchased program, they do the upgrades and take care of bugs.

The machines themselves can be on service contracts so the tech can be there He does not have to fly or drive to the business.

If CWW would be unavailable, the whole business stops? The doc can't access your records for treatment? Seems ludicrous. A strange business model

 

[MsArk]

^^^^ I made the exact same point earlier, I think in Amazon Rain's thread. This is an unusually close relationship considering all things. JMO.

 

[PeskySlueth]

If you look at the map posted or any map, you will see that 1200 miles is a long way

To maintain such a close friendship is difficult. As my husband says your life is filled up with your life.

Certainly MS had tons of things in his life. Children of that age alone take up your free time.

This kissy kissy close relationship is unusual to me. And I have friends since I was five, 13, and college so I am totally aware of the long distance friendship and the limitations of it.

To have CWW as a long distance computer tech where he also flew and drove 1200 miles is bizarre. If there is a computer issue with a business, you need it fixed instantly. Makes zero sense.

If you have a purchased program, they do the upgrades and take care of bugs.

The machines themselves can be on service contracts so the tech can be there He does not have to fly or drive to the business.

If CWW would be unavailable, the whole business stops? The doc can't access your records for treatment? Seems ludicrous. A strange business model

Great post. However you slice it, it just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[No it's not]

Naples Daily News article and video, posted today at 4pm online:

On Aug. 20, 2010, Rodgers was booked into the Sainte Genevieve County jail. It was there that he met Curtis "Wayne" Wright, an inmate 22 years his senior who was being held after police said they found a meth lab at his house. The two became friends and, later, co-defendants..


http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

-Nin

 

[creepingskills]

Naples Daily News article and video, posted today at 4pm online:

On Aug. 20, 2010, Rodgers was booked into the Sainte Genevieve County jail. It was there that he met Curtis "Wayne" Wright, an inmate 22 years his senior who was being held after police said they found a meth lab at his house. The two became friends and, later, co-defendants..


http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

-Nin

Thanks NIN!

"He talked about him like they were friends," she said. "I think he kind of told Jimmy what to do to protect himself while he was in prison."

BBM. CWW told JR what to do for protection...perhaps he suggested the 'hit man' back story adopted by JR? :thinking:

 

[Daisy47]

Naples Daily News article and video, posted today at 4pm online:

On Aug. 20, 2010, Rodgers was booked into the Sainte Genevieve County jail. It was there that he met Curtis "Wayne" Wright, an inmate 22 years his senior who was being held after police said they found a meth lab at his house. The two became friends and, later, co-defendants..


http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

-Nin

Thanks Nin! LOTS of info that i was not aware of in this article. (I am wayyy behind tho).

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[irishchook]

Yes. He mentioned that in his thread.

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[KateB]

More from another ex-wife of CWW in this latest article by Jessica Lipscomb
Tangled web surrounds suspects Curtis “Wayne” Wright, Jimmy Rodgers in death of Dr. Teresa Sievers
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

Wright's most recent ex-wife, Kathy Becker, 47, said Wright tried to get her to write Rodgers in jail as a pen pal, something she wasn't comfortable with.
"I remember him saying he's a really nice kid and he was just transporting his dad's guns from the house and got caught," she recalled.
Becker, who married Wright in November 2011, said Wright mentioned Rodgers maybe three times throughout the course of their relationship, which she said lasted less than a year.
"He talked about him like they were friends," she said. "I think he kind of told Jimmy what to do to protect himself while he was in prison."
Becker said she broke things off after about three months of marriage after Wright backed her against a wall and balled up his fists as if he was going to hit her.
"I thought at first he just might be bipolar," she said. "I think he's a sociopath. I think he could switch it on and off. I could see him switch it on and off."
Rodgers and Wright continued to stay in touch after jail. In May, Rodgers and his girlfriend, Taylor Shomaker, were guests at Wright's wedding in De Soto, Missouri. Also in attendance was Mark Sievers, who stood beside Wright as he took his new bride, Angela, to be his third wife.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Sheriff Scott nailed it by calling this a case with connectivity. It continues to get more convoluted as information is released. He called it, Jessica Lipscomb wrote the article, and NIN found it to share with us! Holy cow - we thought we needed a seating chart before, this article blows it out of the park.

A very few items to tease you (as if you needed teasing) to go read the article:

"...Wright had a general distaste for Sievers' wife..." no reason given by CWW.

MS was engaged to SF. They broke up, years later she married GB. She met CWW through him.
Oddly referring to CWW: She thinks he is innocent.
I was really hoping she meant MS because of the earlier paragraph stating MS was a really sweet guy and had she nothing bad to say about him.

One of CWW's wives left him at about three months of marriage after Wright backed her against a wall and balled up his fists as if he was going to hit her. She first thought he was bi-polar. now thinks sociopath.

Like the infomercial says: But wait! There's more...

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...ath-of-dr-teresa-sievers--2345-339128031.html

 

[Arachne 1]

RE: NIN's post #374, thread about Evidence connecting CWW & JR


Thanks, NIN, for bringing Jessica Lipscomb's article to us. (I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to transplant it here!) This reporter MUST win some type of honor, for the most comprehensive article written about Dr. Sievers' case, yet! I hope Naples Daily News is paying Ms. Lipscomb what she's worth!

A poster or VI had stated earlier on Websleuths that they thought CWW and JR had met at the same jail, but they couldn't remember which of two jails. I am glad Jessica finally nailed it!

I have always thought that several others were involved, not just to share the ride, but to participate in the murder, itself.

I hope the detectives have checked-out the other criminals that shared the same "pod". I hope they have cross-referenced their FBs and phone records.

God only knows what kind of alliances these criminals make, while they're in jail/prison!