Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[Sdavidson11]

Huh? I'm not sure I'm following you correctly. The only abduction that we can fathom is the Nanny story, which we all know by now that she doesn't even exists.:detective:

I agree OT I love your puppy pic

 

[notthatsmart]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

 

[Sdavidson11]

Stupid question, but was there some reference to the heart shaped residue in the coroners report from Dr. G? And if so is there a possibility that a photo of it exists as part of the sealed autopsy photos?

Dr G took photographs of the duct tape and how it was placed on Caylee. She did not look at the tape under a microscope since that did not fall under her job description. I thought the same as you, that I remembered Dr. G saying something about the residue. I was wrong. I looked through a lot of posts and links and found the only way the residue was located was by the FBI lab under a microscope while looking for fingerprints. This information was relayed to YM by e-mail (I think) anyway there is a little snippet with the info on it directed to YM. Due to fragile condition of the tape after certain testing was done, I am not sure what testing, the residue was no longer visible.:banghead: This will help the defense with the smoke and mirrors but this is the FBI. I don't feel the residue out ways the 31 days, smell in the car, etc. but it is one more thing that will put an obstacle up for our Justice for Caylee.

 

[strach304]

Why would she need them to look at tapes at Universal? Why not just tell them, period instead of a whole stack of lies. It wasn't just the job she lied about. According to Casey the "abduction" occurred at sawgrass, then JBP. You believe she was really looking for Caylee in the clubs and Target?

 

[LambChop]

When a police officer tells you what you are smelling is decomposition, you have to believe him and hope they don't let you smell for yourself. You could NEVER, EVER confuse the smell with rotting food, even chicken....NO WAY, NO HOW. Even the A's admitted to what they smelled and they both knew what it was. And no responsible parent in their right mind would allow their child to be abducted without calling the police for help. No abduction, as Mom dumped the body down the street once it started to smell, just as she did with pets in the past.

Also not sure which story she told makes more sense than any of the others. KC has two versions so which story is the truth. Judge S stated KC and the truth are strangers. When a person lies they no longer have any credibility, the trust of whatever this person would have to say is gone, forever....this is what the police had to work with while interviewing her. IMO, they are not "first timers" with liars. They did what they could to try and trip her up and get the truth out of her. JMO.

 

[LambChop]

Tuleesa, OT but, love those puppies!!!!!!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

<<<snipped article for purpose>>>

An FBI laboratory activity and communication log, which was included with the defense's motion to dismiss filed earlier this month, had handwritten notes by lab technicians.

On Dec. 13, a technician wrote "a heart shape/outline was noticed on tape but unable to see it after (fingerprint) powder process &#8212; no photo of image."

State law-enforcement officials took pictures of the duct tape attached to the skull, but it was unclear whether the pictures reveal the residue. Days after the remains were found, deputies collected various heart stickers from Anthony's home. A pink heart sticker also was found in the area where Caylee's remains were found. Since the adhesive was destroyed, authorities weren't able to compare it to other stickers.

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,6572783.story


Baez and company made it seem as if it was intentional act with FBI to destroy that heart sticker. He has alluded to wrong doing before with the detectives and their investigation, with court officers at the jail, with no leg to stand on. There is no conspiracy surrounding LE and their ability to see a criminal in front of them.

I think just by the FBI agent logging it in his log book. No photo taken is a huge error but one that can be overcome, IMO. With the hundreds upon hundreds of peices of evidence taken, this will not make or break this case. There is so much more pertaining to KC's inactions of a mother who allegedly just had her child abducted from her. I want to see the the piece of paper given to her that laid out what she should do, if she wants Caylee back. Produce that and prove someone else is involved. As of now, it's all KC. I don't see anyone else who would have a motive in her circle of friends who would do harm to that precious child. All those smoke screens just adds insult to injury. Why didn't KC call LE immediately after Caylee was allegedly abducted? There was no abduction, just an imagination gone wild...IMO :furious:

 

[doogiesgirl]

The defense got the notes they asked for and used them in the motion to indicate that the FBI had DESTROYED evidence.

The very notes they requested will buttress the testimony at trial. It would be one thing if there had been no notes taken about the sticker residue. But this person, as she processed the tape DID do the right thing and keep notes about what she observed.

It's a shame the image was lost due to further processing, but there was no malicious intent.

The media are hyping this as something major, egged on by the defense.
If this is the best the defense can come up with concerning destruction of evidence, its not much and won't affect the testimony at trial.

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I have tried to read most of the pages of this thread but may have missed some important info, if so, forgive me please.

And just a before thought.... but to think that there will be no human error in this case? That's what we hope for, but too much to expect IMO. As long as it is not full of them, then I think we should expect to find a small amount on both sides. (As both sides are human.)

Am I missing something? Because I do not see this as some big "bombshell" for the defense. In forensic testing, what limited knowledge I have of it, seems like I've read many times that it is not at all unusual for the testing itself to use up what is many times a very limited amount of physical evidence. Thereby the testing "destroys" whatever it is that is being tested. This FBI woman will testify to what she saw. She will testify why she chose the testing she did (as opposed to any other test), and why it used up or destroyed the residue. LE will either have pics or not. I cannot imagine that this is anywhere near to being the first time testing used up/destroyed a limited amount of evidence in a crime, where a judgement call was made as to what test will be performed knowing that it will be a one shot deal. I agree that trying for a fingerprint trumps finding a sticker that matched the size of the residue from the A home. Stickers that are sold and used by millions of people, where a fingerprint.....much more incriminating.

This is just my opinion, worth about 2 cents I'd guess. But that's what's so great about WS's, you get to post your opinion whether it's useless or not. MOO

 

[Spangle]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interrogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

Interesting that you say that. Cause all evidence points to the smell of a dead body. The grandmother even said so on the 911 call and she is a trained nurse who KNOWS the smell. Then there is the dogs that hit on the trunk. Then the lab tests.

Way to much factual evidence to just dismiss like it's nothing but wishful thinking.

Which is why I find it interesting that you think it's just rotting food. How did you arrive at that. Did you smell it like the Granny did? Got scientific proof?

Please share.

 

[Oakley]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

My bold - "look at tapes" ?

 

[notthatsmart]

I think it was rotten food because the Fbi and Sa wont say it is of human decomposition. They always fall short. They say could be of human decomp. They say dead body, but they dont say dead human body. Is there discovery that says the smell is from human decomp and I missed it?

I am waiting for an expert to say they can tell the difference of smell between animal and human when decomposing? Someone post a report by an expert and that can help me to believe that it was human decomp that smelled.

 

[notthatsmart]

I think she wanted the police to go out to universal to look at tapes to see if the babysitter had been out there. They should have considered doing that instead of interogating her when they were all without sleep since the day before. Sometimes that type of interogation works, sometimes it backfires. Most people clam up.

 

[Spangle]

I think it was rotten food because the Fbi and Sa wont say it is of human decomposition. They always fall short. They say could be of human decomp. They say dead body, but they dont say dead human body. Is there discovery that says the smell is from human decomp and I missed it?

I am waiting for an expert to say they can tell the difference of smell between animal and human when decomposing? Someone post a report by an expert and that can help me to believe that it was human decomp that smelled.

The dogs all ready did that for you. They CAN tell the difference. And they are on record as reporting HUMAN decomp in the trunk.

There are all ready tons of posts and threads that point out the human decomp. But what we don't have, is stuff showing your theory of rotting food. In fact, I believe we do have some test run showing that it could not be rotting pizzia. But I could be wrong.

Any who, I would love to see those reports on the rotting food. thanks! We can use them to compare with the human decomp reports.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

notthatsmart---

Since you didn't quote anyone I guess you are not responding to someone else's post but giving your thoughts on the crime? Is that correct? You say you believe it was an abduction case because it was close to the house. Do you mean you believe it was an abduction case because Caylee's remains were found close to the A house? I am pretty sure that statistics show that stranger abduction/murders of children do not leave the remains close to the child's home. I am pretty sure it says at least 50 miles away or more. But I will have to come back with a link on that. However here is an interesting link for info on fathers vs mothers who kill their children and the data that's been gathered regarding methods of killings, locations of disposal ,etc. Much of it, you could just insert KC's name and wa la --- it fits her like a glove. Here's a short excerpt for you:

"Mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a "womb like" fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic..............................victims of maternal killings are almost always found in or close to the home. ............................All of these behaviors suggest that woman associate these murders with them, their homes, and their bodies. Another part goes on to say that the destruction and control of something deemed to be a sole possession(child) sends a powerful message about who is really in charge, and this message hasn't changed since the time of (Jason and Medea)???).

http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

 

[Spangle]

I think she wanted the police to go out to universal to look at tapes to see if the babysitter had been out there. They should have considered doing that instead of interogating her when they were all without sleep since the day before. Sometimes that type of interogation works, sometimes it backfires. Most people clam up.

Why would you think that?

Oh, I know she said that was the reason. But she said so much, all proven to be lies. Including that she had a Babysitter called ZFG. That she had recieved phone calls from her. She even got a call that day and got to talk to the baby.

So what makes this one statement seem factual to you? And what baby sitter do you think she is looking for? And where did you get that information? If there is someone else, there are folks here who can get that info to the correct people.

 

[Tulessa]

Tuleesa, OT but, love those puppies!!!!!!

Thanks,
I breed shepherds.:woohoo:



More Anthony Case Documents Being Released

A spokeswoman for state attorney Lawson Lamar said the office anticipates releasing between 1,000 and 2,000 pages of material Tuesday morning.

The material could include forensic reports from the FBI. As WESH 2 News reported last week, the FBI admits it destroyed residue of a heart shaped sticker on the duct tape found across Caylee Anthony's skull.

That happened while technicians were testing for fingerprints on the tape.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21134931/detail.html

 

[AZlawyer]

AZLawyer, is this what you're speaking of? The one stuck to the letter to Caylee from what I believe to be Shirley P.?

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html
Pic #12

Pic #12 at that link is a picture of the sticker backer still in the "Caylee" box, on top of Grandma Shirley's letter. It is not stuck to the letter, because the backing is still attached.

Pic #48 is a picture of the same sticker backer all by itself (taken out of the box).

 

[Jolynna]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

BBM

For this theory to work...on June 16, after George went to work, either during or after KC's talking on the phone to Jesse, Amy and Tony, the abductor snagged Caylee + 2 of the Anthony's trashbags + an Anthony laundry bag + the Anthony's industrial strength duct tape + Caylee's Pooh blanket. Then, in the time it takes to get from the Anthony house to the suburban disposal site, the abductor wrapped duct tape over Caylee's face, killed her, stuffed Caylee in 2 trash bags and in the laundry bag and ditched Caylee in KC's childhood hideout (next to 3 pavers KC's ex PI knew about).

Somehow the abductor also managed to make KC's car trunk start smelling like something dead (as verified by KC, herself, texting). The abductor also wiped up either pig or human decomposition with a paper towel and pitched it into Tony's trash which ended up in KC's car trunk.

While ALL of the above is happening, KC goes about her business. On June 16 she's pinging from Tony's by 4:30 p.m. That night she's videoed out all snuggly with Tony. She keeps Tony from classes the next morning with morning delight and the next day uploads a picture of, not her abducted daughter, but a picture of herself and Tony to her computer.

"Life is better than ever, I've never been happier", KC instant messages her friends after Caylee is "gone". KC parties, cleans Tony's house, frets about her relationship & picks up 2 additional male prospects. She loses her car (the one reeking like a dead body), but instead of reporting it to LE...she lies to everybody and tells friends her dad took it. Meanwhile KC tells Cindy not to worry about Caylee because Caylee is with the nanny, the nanny's sister, Jeff or Jeff's mother. She covers up for the abductor to her friends too. She tells them not to be silly, of course she has a daughter, her daughter is with her nanny at theme parks.

Finally when trapped and cornered by her mother, brother and LE, KC remembers the nanny kidnapped Caylee 31 days ago.

The heart-shaped sticker was never the greatest of KC's problems.

imo

 

[sumbunny]

I think she wanted the police to go out to universal to look at tapes to see if the babysitter had been out there. They should have considered doing that instead of interogating her when they were all without sleep since the day before. Sometimes that type of interogation works, sometimes it backfires. Most people clam up.

I thought she wanted to bring the police there to show them her "office" and her missing black jack. Or at least that is what she told them.
She was caught in a lie, and that was her way out of the lie, imo.

Casey was caught red handed telling lie upon lie.
Look at tapes to find caylee? I dont' think so.

 

[AZlawyer]

To follow up on people's questions about Amy's tape:

Is this attached photo from the "ABC" party Amy? For some reason I thought it was Annie D, but she does appear to be wearing a tape dress. And I don't think Annie and Casey were hanging out at this time (late May 2008).

If it is Amy, I think we can lay to rest the idea that the tape found on Caylee (silver high-temp duct tape) was the same as this tape (black & white).