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Donjeta said:
If something unlawful happened it seems to me that a lawsuit would be a better remedy than ranting.
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No way could they win a lawsuit. The family would have to prove deliberate malicious intent. IMO


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Linda7NJ said:
No way could they win a lawsuit. The family would have to prove deliberate malicious intent. IMO


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Yeah... imo it's a rather meaningless rhetorical tactic to say that something unlawful happened to Justina if you can't actually find a court that agrees.

The custody was decided upon in a court, by a judge. It might be it was not a good decision but I can't see how it wasn't a lawful decision. Many children are lawfully taken into state custody in lots of courts around the country everyday.
 
MyBelle said:
Is it at all possible that your outrage is misplaced or based on misinformation? As far as I know, felons lose their right to vote and jury duty. Rights that Justina doesn't now have because of her age. I'm confused about what "rights" you insist are being violated.
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She was removed from her family and placed into a secure psychiatric ward.
There is no indication she has any sort of psychiatric issues that would necessitate for her to be in a secure psychiatric ward. She couldn't attend school, couldn't see her friends. What did she do wrong to deserve any of it?
 
jjenny said:
She was removed from her family and placed into a secure psychiatric ward.
There is no indication she has any sort of psychiatric issues that would necessitate for her to be in a secure psychiatric ward. She couldn't attend school, couldn't see her friends. What did she do wrong to deserve any of it?
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If she had psychiatric issues that would necessitate a secure psychiatric ward, how would we know? Her family would never say, "yeah, actually she really needs to be in secure psychiatric care but we want her out of there because we didn't put her there" and the people who are treating her couldn't say because of HIPAA.

I don't think that restrictions in visitation etc while in psychiatric care or DCF custody necessarily have anything to do with the youth having done something "wrong to deserve it".
 
jjenny said:
She was removed from her family and placed into a secure psychiatric ward.
There is no indication she has any sort of psychiatric issues that would necessitate for her to be in a secure psychiatric ward. She couldn't attend school, couldn't see her friends. What did she do wrong to deserve any of it?
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Abused children are removed from their homes everyday. They change schools, loose contact with their friends...many are removed with only the clothes on their backs.

No child deserves it. It happens. Children need to be protected, even the ones that may not even be aware they're being abused.

There is "no indication" because we are not privy to that information.

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Donjeta said:
If she had psychiatric issues that would necessitate a secure psychiatric ward, how would we know? Her family would never say, "yeah, actually she really needs to be in secure psychiatric care but we want her out of there because we didn't put her there" and the people who are treating her couldn't say because of HIPAA.

I don't think that restrictions in visitation etc while in psychiatric care or DCF custody necessarily have anything to do with the youth having done something "wrong to deserve it".
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Because she doesn't. The psychologist she was seeing for years diagnosed her with low grade depression stemming from her physical problems. One doesn't need to be in a secure psychiatric ward for that.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Abused children are removed from their homes everyday. They change schools, loose contact with their friends...many are removed with only the clothes on their backs.

No child deserves it. It happens. Children need to be protected, even the ones that may not even be aware they're being abused.

There is "no indication" because we are not privy to that information.

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Or this information just doesn't exist.
 
jjenny said:
She was removed from her family and placed into a secure psychiatric ward.
There is no indication she has any sort of psychiatric issues that would necessitate for her to be in a secure psychiatric ward. She couldn't attend school, couldn't see her friends. What did she do wrong to deserve any of it?
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She was removed from her family's custody by the order of a Judge. I don't know what psychiatric issues she may have as her records are private. I do believe the judge ruled there is multiple evidence and documentation Justina has psychiatric medical problems that require the treatment she is currently receiving.

I'm not sure why you think the child did anything "wrong" and is somehow being punished. I think all the evidence in this case released by the court indicates it is the parents who were unwillingly to care for their child and she has been placed within a facility that will and can provide care for her. It's not an ideal situation but unfortunately, no child can force a parent to care for them.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Abused children are removed from their homes everyday. They change schools, loose contact with their friends...many are removed with only the clothes on their backs.

No child deserves it. It happens. Children need to be protected, even the ones that may not even be aware they're being abused.

There is "no indication" because we are not privy to that information.

All IMO




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ITA. No child deserves to be rejected by their parents which seems to be at the heart of this case.
 
jjenny said:
Because she doesn't. The psychologist she was seeing for years diagnosed her with low grade depression stemming from her physical problems. One doesn't need to be in a secure psychiatric ward for that.
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I was diagnosed with a broken bone once. Doesn't mean that I don't have something else now.

Psychiatric diagnoses are not static states. If you were mildly depressed years ago it doesn't mean you can't be very much worse some time later.
 
On Monday, May 5, the Pelletiers will be meeting with HHS Secretary Polanowicz at 11:30 AM regarding the DCF reunification plan to return Justina to her home. The meeting will take place at Polanowicz's Boston office.

The family of Justina will hold a news conference at 2:00 PM following the meeting.
 
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Donjeta said:
I was diagnosed with a broken bone once. Doesn't mean that I don't have something else now.

Psychiatric diagnoses are not static states. If you were mildly depressed years ago it doesn't mean you can't be very much worse some time later.
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Diagnosis that BCH gave her is somatoform.
One doesn't need to be locked up in a secure psychiatric ward for somatoform.
 
CathyinTexas said:
http://www.myfoxboston.com/video?clipId=10125172&autostart=true

BCH and DCF messed with the wrong person. Go Lou!
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Oh god, more irony, hahaha.

Lou being interviewed by "VB", former radio sidekick of the earlier-mentioned Howie Carr! VB, by the way, stands for "Virgin Boy", the nickname he was given by Carr on his radio show. :floorlaugh:

VB, hard hitting reporter! Howie must have done him a solid and passed Lou's name on to him. Usually VB is broadcasting out on street corners from little local faires, gatherings, malls, stores, etc. :lol:
 
jjenny said:
Diagnosis that BCH gave her is somatoform.
One doesn't need to be locked up in a secure psychiatric ward for somatoform.
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Not quite true. Inpatient treatment is more rarely required than many other diagnoses but it is not out of the question.




http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294908-followup
Further Inpatient Care
Somatoform disorders rarely require inpatient management. Consider inpatient care if a patient appears suicidal or requires detoxification from comorbid substance dependence. Additionally, inpatient care may be needed for patients whose somatoform disorder is incapacitating, ie, conversion disorder with motor symptoms of such severity to impair ambulation.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24615235
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21968937
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18399750


http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/918628-overview#aw2aab6b3
Somatization disorder case example

Susan was a 15-year-old girl with a 2-year history of body aches, fatigue, fevers (reported but not documented), headaches, diarrhea, nausea, joint pain, dysuria, and irregular menses. Her mother stated that she had chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). During multiple medical clinic visits, Susan repeatedly had normal findings on physical and extensive laboratory examinations. The patient repeatedly denied stressors, psychological trauma, and/or victimization despite assessments by an adolescent medical specialist and a psychiatrist.

While being evaluated by neurology department personnel for her headaches, Susan became completely mute. Following a negative medical workup, she was admitted to a psychiatry inpatient unit, where she began talking upon arrival.
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Donjeta said:
Not quite true. Inpatient treatment is more rarely required than many other diagnoses but it is not out of the question.




http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294908-followup




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24615235
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21968937
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18399750


http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/918628-overview#aw2aab6b3
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Susan had extensive medical work up done prior to diagnosis for several years. Susan went "mute" but started talking upon arrival. So her somatization symptom of "muteness" went away very quickly.
Justina still doesn't walk.
BCH diagnosed her within a short period of time (a few days).
How did BCH do that exactly?
 
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