Federal Investigation of Suffolk County Police Chief

[mcme]

That <modsnip> Loeb is a parole violating criminal and should be rotting in jail for a while to pay off his debt to society. Or is the popular opinion that he's somehow the innocent victim here?

 

[LINative13]

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That Loeb is a parole violating criminal and should be rotting in jail for a while to pay off his debt to society. Or is the popular opinion that he's somehow the innocent victim here?

<modsnip> Yeah. Deserves to be in jail? Yeah
Deserves to get the crap kicked out of him while chained to a desk? No

He's also an addict. Addicts to bad things
Some of these girls were addicts and did bad things, like be prostitues. Do they deserve to be murdered? No
I'm sure all of these girls ripped clients off, probably stole from them as well...

Addicts when arrested Should get a shot at rehab then if they get clean should be required to give back to the program. By program I mean the 12 step. Ask any recovering addict, the only way. To stay clean is to help other addicts. If they get arrested again should be given exponential sentence.

 

[mcme]

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<modsnip> Yeah. Deserves to be in jail? Yeah
Deserves to get the crap kicked out of him while chained to a desk? No

He's also an addict. Addicts to bad things
Some of these girls were addicts and did bad things, like be prostitues. Do they deserve to be murdered? No
I'm sure all of these girls ripped clients off, probably stole from them as well...

Addicts when arrested Should get a shot at rehab then if they get clean should be required to give back to the program. By program I mean the 12 step. Ask any recovering addict, the only way. To stay clean is to help other addicts. If they get arrested again should be given exponential sentence.

Just for the heck of it, this was him getting arrested again, and the investigation showed there was nothing to his self serving allegations.
As for the young ladies and how their behavior led them to their downfall, while they may not have deserved to be killed, the phrase "no victims, only volunteers", echos in my head. No skier wants to break a leg, no mountain climber wants to fall and no hooker wants to end up hanging with a psycho killer, but it all happens.

 

[hawkshaw]

1. Loeb is NOT the innocent victim here, and he never attempted to portray himself as such.
2, He has never denied he stole the bag and stole from other cars.

3. From the BEST of my INFORMATION Loeb, nor his family ever reported the raid on his home or the beatings at the house and precinct.

4. The Loeb Incident came to light mostly likely from cops in the police department.

 

[LINative13]

The cop that is heading the LISK investigation is the same cop that was investigated by IAB back some 20 years ago. IAB substantiated that Burke had engaged in oral sex with a known prostitute, in his patrol car, and while on duty. It was also substantiated that he twice lost his service weapon while with this woman.

She is not only a street walking, crack head hooker, she is also a person that had 27 arrests for prostitution, larceny, and other charges. Burke admits to having a relationship with her for at least 6 months. Do you really believe that is the extent of his relationship with that gal and the many other hookers walking the streets in his patrol area.

He is/was under investigation by the FBI for beating a man that stole a duffel bag out of his car. The thief said in court that the bag contained 'nasty *advertiser censored*". When asked by the Special Prosecutor to describe what he meant by 'nasty *advertiser censored*', he refused to answer by saying the US attorney told him not to describe, in detail just what he meant by 'nasty *advertiser censored*'. I'll leave it up to you what he meant by 'nasty *advertiser censored*'.

Oak Beach has its fill of politicos. Bellone goes there with his family. His top gun, Robert Stricoff owns a home there that he bought from a convicted mega drug dealer who went to prison. And when he came out of prison he went into the *advertiser censored* and escort business.

SORRY, PAL, but until such time I can be persuaded otherwise, it is CONNECTED. Open up your eyes and smell the coffee.

Steve bellone or bobby stricoff didn't kill anyone or cover up a serial killer. That's not right to say hawk.but sincebur

 

[hawkshaw]

Albeit - he is a nasty pimp - and on $1 MILLION dollars bail...
he's too young.


http://longisland.news12.com/news/a...uilty-to-holding-teen-woman-captive-1.7378331

One million sounds about right. But how do you justify 1/2 million bail on a druggie doing car boosts. BTW, my latest information is he is still in federal custody despite the fact it has been RUMORED his theft case is OVER, as it regards James Burke. So why is he still in federal custody?

 

[hawkshaw]

Steve bellone or bobby stricoff didn't kill anyone or cover up a serial killer. That's not right to say hawk.but sincebur

I never suggested they killed anyone. What I do say is that there is a chance they have an interest in not seeing this case properly solved.

I can only tell you of what I read: That is Stricoff bought a house on Oak Beach from a very big drug dealer turned pornographer that paid for that house in 2000 for $225,000K and then sold it to Stricoff for $825K only four years later. I can tell you that real estate records published in real estate journals that the home was only valued at the time of purchase for $425K.

That Stricoff, in the height of the mortgage scandal secured a mortgage for $700,000.00. Is there something I don't know? Anything is possible. I know a $700K mortgage was obtained for a home that was publicly posted with a value of only 425K. I can't even say it could have been an improvement loan because the mortgage appears to have been obtained on the 825K purchase price.

The records show Stricoff paid 825K. Who knows what he really paid for it. I mean the owner was a known crook. Nice way to get a 700K mortgage for a home that was reportedly worth only 425.

 

[mayankoza]

Take it easy hawkshaw, I´m not saying that your info is not important, not at all, I find it indeed interesting, however I think it is importent to stick to the topic on a thread, otherwise the thread gets full of mixed topics and it is difficult to read through a thread and get info on its specific topic if lots of other topics is mixed in.

I suggest that you put your info/discussions on the Burke/Burke connected to LISK? etc topic in a thread of its own.

I agree, although hawk has some unique insights and opinions, I personally feel that most of it is not "LISK" relevant. I do not know much about you Hawk, but if those things regarding what happened to your son in-law are true, I feel for your family and definitely hope as much justice gets served as possible, as it is well deserved. However, I think all of us on the board can conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the cop or cops investigating the LISK are not LISK themselves or taking part in a huge cover up for the LISK, and all the writing about it is a complete waste and less humorous and more annoying now. I hope you can take my constructive criticism well, as I know you will, and I look forward to seeing more/different insights into the LISK, as far as, profile, crime scene analysis, investigation, etc goes, as uniquely a former law enforcement official such as yourself can provide.

 

[hawkshaw]

MAYANKOZA - Thank you as I will take your remarks as 'constructive criticism'. If you find my remarks annoying, then so be it. I stand firm in my opinions no matter how ridiculous they may seem.

Do I believe any homicide detective of any police department wouldn't give his right arm to solve this case? NO! But that doesn't mean they will be allowed to solve it. They can only do what they are allowed to do.

Of course you can never know if my claims my son in law was framed in one of the most outrageous acts of injustice I have ever witnessed. Trust me it didn't come to me over-night, it took a trial and some time after that it finally came into focus. I assure you that I have continued to look for evidence of guilt in the ensuing years than I have been looking for evidence of innocence.

You should also know that one of the principals in that investigation has told a person known to me, a highly reliable person that he now believe he THINKS he may have done one crime, or at least knew about it before, during, or after it happened. That is a far cry from a detective that ran the case who offered evidence that he committed at least a 1/2 dozen crimes, 3 of which he was convicted for.

I can also tell you he told a person that if he knew Joe Careccia was James Burke's neighbor ( 1998-2002) he would not have agreed to take on the case. He is full of beans, of course because his actions after he accepted the role were clearly a frame job.

It was Burke's neighbor that was involved in a murder of a witness the detectives brought to the DA office, or where Burke ran the investigations for Spota. He was murdered only three weeks to the day he appeared at the DA office giving information on Burke's neighbor.

I know what I am talking about. And I tell you if they could do what they did to the son in law then they are capable of doing most anything, even covering up the LISK case if they need too.

BTW, the detective that had the murder case ( unsolved ) is the same detective that wrote the letter to Newsday saying he heard the 23 minute SG tape and he found no reason to believe her life was in peril.

IT IS ALL CONNECTED. TRUST ME ON THAT.

Read the book " A Whistle Blower's Lament" by Suffolk County Judge Stuart Namm (ret), It was published on 3/15 and is being offered for sale.

Might I also suggest you get this Sunday's Newsday. I expect there will be an article on that book by a seasoned reporter. It should give you great insight to what is possible in Suffolk County PD and DA office.

 

[mcme]

Hawkshaw, there's a real possibility your numbers are askew. When Stricoff bought his home, that was the relative price for that type of home in the area. I don't know where you're getting your estimated values. As far as the previous owners purchase price, because of the cash nature of his business and Babylons policy of taking a percentage of the sale price as a lease transfer fee, it's very likely there were some behind the scene money exchanges to avoid paying the true amount due. It's my personal opinion that Stricoff would never be part of that type of deal and it created what you're saying is a questionable difference in money.

 

[bessie]

It took a long time to move over all of these posts, so enjoy the thread and don't beat up on each other. And knock off the name calling! That includes "P_S" and nouns ending in "bag".

 

[hawkshaw]

Put the address in for the house and you will find the top price range for that piece of property is listed as $603,000.00. The house was purchased in May of 2004. Zillow is one source of reference.

 

[hawkshaw]

I just looked on Google for my own house. I estimated it to be about 45K less than I thought it was worth. In other words the evaluation that was posted is very accurate. So the valuations are correct for my house and they are not right for Stricoff's house?

Wise up and open your eyes.

This is a person that is the IDA chair for Babylon looking for good deals for the Town and pays double the price for a home in 2004? No, he ain't stupid enough to pay double the price for a home. So what happened in between? How did he get a mortgage in excess of 300K for what a house was worth. Yeah, he is an honorable guy in a nest of thieves.

Trust me my friend this home didn't shoot up 600K in value in 4 years no matter how hectic the housing market went. It has mortgage fraud written all over it. I have followed hundreds of cases of mortgage fraud over the years and they all look just like this.

 

[mcme]

Instead of depending on sources that are inaccurate, check the prices of similar leasehold transfers and then consider that the previous owner paid with a lot of the cash under the table to avoid a large fee.

 

[mcme]

And please don't compare his home to a beach bungalow, compare it to a home of the same size and level of fit and finish, and location.

 

[LINative13]

What if the person before paid too little?

 

[hawkshaw]

Instead of depending on sources that are inaccurate, check the prices of similar leasehold transfers and then consider that the previous owner paid with a lot of the cash under the table to avoid a large fee.

That may well be what happened. But no matter how you twist and turn the bottom line is the house was bought from a convicted drug dealer that did 10 in a federal prison and when he got out he spread his wings into *advertiser censored*, escorts, and movies. But that would be a coincidence, right?

It is 10 years later and the house is no where close to the 825 K.

 

[hawkshaw]

What if the person before paid too little?

IF THE HOUND DIDN'T STOP TO DROP A DUECE HE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THE RABBIT. WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF.

Bottom line if you follow the price in a logical manner.

2000 - house was bought for 225K. This is before the housing boom that was fueled by the mortgage scams. In 2004 the value rising to 425 is not unreasonable, given the circumstances.

Look, it is all there, like it or lump it, I don't care. It was posted so you folks could take it in and decide for yourself.

 

[hawkshaw]

And please don't compare his home to a beach bungalow, compare it to a home of the same size and level of fit and finish, and location.

I checked out a half dozen homes on the same block:

$606,134. 00 8800 sq ft.
307,111 1000
564,000 11000 sf
999,000 no sq footage, but photos of interior are spectacular.
629,000
629,000

so thanks for the tip.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It took a long time to move over all of these posts, so enjoy the thread and don't beat up on each other. And knock off the name calling! That includes "P_S" and nouns ending in "bag".

BBM

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