Fiber Analysis

[beach]

What does it mean in the reports when certain fibers referred to are prefaced by the letters: MTFVTC?

 

[AZlawyer]

Blue cotton = ubiquitous in clothing today

Black cotton. :waitasec: "DBC Entertainment" t-shirts

Wool...in Florida :waitasec: Rugs?

The picnic blanket?

 

[BondJamesBond]

bumping

 

[AZlawyer]

What does it mean in the reports when certain fibers referred to are prefaced by the letters: MTFVTC?

We tried to figure that one out a while back. I think we decided on "Multiple Textured Fibers-Various" something-something.

 

[beach]

I'm going with "Multiple Textured Fiber Voids Type Combination", as referenced in this post.

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Thanks Bond. I would've loved it even more if you'd bumped that about 2 days ago.



eta: I wonder if Joypath might know? Please chime in if ya hear me, Joypath.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Thanks Bond. I would've loved it even more if you'd bumped that about 2 days ago.

*snipped*

Feelin' the t-2days love.

 

[Jolynna]

Interestingly, in the thread you bumped up Valhall's post #40 mentions (Q248) Napkins from trash bag in Casey's trunk had blue cotton, red cotton and black cotton "as contaminating fibers". These napkins also had the early grave wax or adipocere like substance on them. She does not give a link or page number. I assume it is from the 1405 pg doc. I have been skimming over the pages to locate a page #. It appears the blue, red and black fibers are similar to the ones found on the duct tapes.

Harmony, you read my mind. I was going to search a few days ago for information about the fibers. Now because of you and AZlawyer, I don't have to. Thank you so much.

I missed that the napkins had fibers on them. Interesting that they are similar to fibers on the duct tape.

 

[beach]

Blue cotton = ubiquitous in clothing today

Black cotton. :waitasec: "DBC Entertainment" t-shirts

Wool...in Florida :waitasec: Rugs?

BBM

What is really strange is the only place I recall seeing wool referenced is on the tape. I haven't found wool fibers in re. any other items collected from the crime scene.

So...wool fibers found on the tape that was used to cover Caylee's mouth and nose.....:waitasec:

 

[beach]

The picnic blanket?

Don't know about the plaid blanket that Harmony referenced in the duct tape thread (the one that CA said stayed in the blue bin in the trunk), but Q103 - the 'miscellaneous blanket' - collected from the crime scene was 100% polyester.

WTP blanket wasn't wool, either.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I believe another poster mentioned the slacks that Cindy washed as a source to consider for the black wool (i.e. summer/fine wool).

Not finding any "Zinc" brand pants w/ wool via quick Google search. Do find some sold @ Target, FWIW.

 

[Bobo]

Blue cotton = ubiquitous in clothing today

Black cotton. :waitasec: "DBC Entertainment" t-shirts

Wool...in Florida :waitasec: Rugs?

Coming out of "lurkdom" to chime in on the black wool fiber evidence.

Black wool might be used on various stuffed animals -- examples such as creating a nose or eyes.

Carry on.

 

[wenwe4]

I believe another poster mentioned the slacks that Cindy washed as a source to consider for the black wool (i.e. summer/fine wool).

Not finding any "Zinc" brand pants w/ wool via quick Google search. Do find some sold @ Target, FWIW.

Honestly BJB, I would never wash wool in the washing machine. When you wash knitted wool it shrinks. If you boil knitted wool - the weave becomes so tight it is called "felted" wool that can actually be cut and not unravel (much like furry felt). There may be some blends with a very slight amount of wool that wouldn't shrink (if you woolite in cold water) - but most wool has to be dry cleaned. Also, I would never wear wool without some kind of lining as it is really itchy! I could not imagine wearing wool in Florida in any type of weather. I think this speaks more to a picnic blanket or warm blanket in the trunk (blue bin) in case of emergency (ie: someone in shock or cold and wet). I do like the idea of the nose on a stuffed animal though - I have washed many in my day and IIRC the noses often shrunk up a bit.

 

[notthatsmart]

Well there is little doubt in my mind that a black sheep was involved in this crime, I think black wool can come from many sources. I think if the roll had been sitting on a wool sweater or some towels with wool in them or anything with black wool in it that was sitting underneath or on top of the roll at some point, would show up on the sides of the tape. This could be from someone wearing a black sweater and holding the roll against their chest while manuevering something else with their hands. The black wool on q66 would have to match the black wool on the q tape from the scene to even consider looking at it. Furthermore, I would expect to find fibers near Caylee that matched fibers from the home, afterall, she did live there. IMO

 

[Harmony 2]

I find the discussion about stuffed animals interesting in light of the fact that JT stated that when CA and Caylee visited his tech store he gave Caylee a beanie baby. IIRC it was a Tazmanian devil. :waitasec: Looking over AZlawyer's list of fibers on the duct tape I was struck with the how the colors possibly coordinated with the following Tazmanian devil beanie baby I found online. Note the red heart.


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In one of the early docs a stuffed animal was found by a neighbor down the street from the Anthony home and turned in. Does anyone recall what that stuffed animal was?

 

[LambChop]

Well there is little doubt in my mind that a black sheep was involved in this crime, I think black wool can come from many sources. I think if the roll had been sitting on a wool sweater or some towels with wool in them or anything with black wool in it that was sitting underneath or on top of the roll at some point, would show up on the sides of the tape. This could be from someone wearing a black sweater and holding the roll against their chest while manuevering something else with their hands. The black wool on q66 would have to match the black wool on the q tape from the scene to even consider looking at it. Furthermore, I would expect to find fibers near Caylee that matched fibers from the home, afterall, she did live there. IMO

I would not think anything from the home or say hair from KC could be considered evidence since they could have been on Caylee's clothes. What would be of interest would be something that should not be there? jmo

 

[Harmony 2]

Does anyone know what the (l) and (d) symbols mean? I think it is an L instead of a 1.

 

[beach]

Does anyone know what the (l) and (d) symbols mean? I think it is an L instead of a 1.

No, I've been trying to figure that out along with the other MTFVTC. I think they are some sort of identifiers, but not totally sure.

I AM SURE that is is an (l) and not a 1, though.

 

[Bobo]

I find the discussion about stuffed animals interesting in light of the fact that JT stated that when CA and Caylee visited his tech store he gave Caylee a beanie baby. IIRC it was a Tazmanian devil. :waitasec: Looking over AZlawyer's list of fibers on the duct tape I was struck with the how the colors possibly coordinated with the following Tazmanian devil beanie baby I found online. Note the red heart.


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In one of the early docs a stuffed animal was found by a neighbor down the street from the Anthony home and turned in. Does anyone recall what that stuffed animal was?

Harmony, I had the same exact thoughts last night. However, I was too tired to look up the info on JT and the beanie baby. Thank you for the effort!:blowkiss:

Although according to JT, he gave the toy to Caylee on June 9th, according to him Caylee really liked it. Perhaps it stayed in the Pontiac and Cindy never saw it?

Do we know the answer to the question Harmony posed about the Anthony neighbor finding a stuffed animal? i.e. what kind of stuffed animal was it?

Or, do we know what happened to the beanie baby JT supposedly gave Caylee? Has it ever surfaced?

And, please help refresh my memory: How do we know it was a "Tazmanian Devil?" (That's what I thought, too -- I just don't know how I "know" that. I mean, was that in JT's statement, or what?)

 

[beach]

Harmony, I had the same exact thoughts last night. However, I was too tired to look up the info on JT and the beanie baby. Thank you for the effort!:blowkiss:

Although according to JT, he gave the toy to Caylee on June 9th, according to him Caylee really liked it. Perhaps it stayed in the Pontiac and Cindy never saw it?

Do we know the answer to the question Harmony posed about the Anthony neighbor finding a stuffed animal? i.e. what kind of stuffed animal was it?

Or, do we know what happened to the beanie baby JT supposedly gave Caylee? Has it ever surfaced?

And, please help refresh my memory: How do we know it was a "Tazmanian Devil?" (That's what I thought, too -- I just don't know how I "know" that. I mean, was that in JT's statement, or what?)

Bobo, BIG THANKS to posting the idea last night and KUDOS to Harmony for thinking of Taz!! :clap: :clap:

The only thing that gives me pause, is I'm pretty sure the Beanie Babies are made out of some type of poly or combo of poly/cotton. Maybe someone could look up the make-up/content of Beanie Babies, including the eyes/nose, etc....

 

[Bobo]

Does anyone know what the (l) and (d) symbols mean? I think it is an L instead of a 1.

No, I've been trying to figure that out along with the other MTFVTC. I think they are some sort of identifiers, but not totally sure.

I AM SURE that is is an (l) and not a 1, though.

Well, for what it's worth, it seems like the "l's" are identified as to the thread type (cotton, wool, poly) and the "d's" are not identified as to thread type.

Still scratching my head on the MTFVTC :waitasec: