FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[LolaMoon08]

It was talked about earlier today, the Mayor apparently told the police to release it.

Thanks! I wonder why?

 

[Isabelle]

So, are you saying that George Zimmerman's head is only 6 inches tall? That would be 'one head'.

Actually, an adult's head is approximately 6 inches in height. I learned that studying art and portrait painting.

 

[LambChop]

Mr. Taaffe speaking out again on Nancy Grace. Let's not forget about the facts. The EMTs had already cleaned Zimmerman up and treated him at the scene. He said we did not need to forget the facts. Zimmerman suffered a contusion.

Contusion, bruise. Not bloody, just bruise changed from a gash on the back of his head that when seen by the doctor was told it had already started to heal so it was too late for stitches. Now what version is this one??? And his nose is broken but you can't tell just by looking at him, doesn't swell for days, I believe FT said because he has had two. TM was a football player, built up with sports. Most George ever played was ping pong (pssst....Mr. Taaffe you forgot to mention the "bouncer" part where he picked up the woman and threw her.) Sounds like GZ and TM were about an even match....except for the gun. Take away the gun and one or the other would have stopped. Banging head on cement where it appears GZ's contusion is (if it is a contusion) didn't happen, IMO, because it is too high.

With Mr. Taaffe, they need to interview him and edit out the rants and just stick to the question he was asked. I could see Jean C. eyes roll. lol jmo

 

[Adrienne37]

I think this whole worked as bouncer/private security thing is very interesting. As Lolamoon pointed out, bouncers should have some fighting skills. My bff is a professional bouncer, has been for ten years. He, as a bouncer, is supposed to have some fighting skills, yes. But even more importantly, in his role as a bouncer he needs to have skills in de-escalating volatile situations. He needs to be able to defuse and disperse. If someone else gets violent he is trained to remove them from the situation while inflicting as little damage on them as possible. He is good at his job, and he can pin, hold, or restrain raging, aggressive people of all sizes almost always without injuring them or getting injured. In literally dozens of fights and altercations of all types he has never been seriously injured. Where were George Zimmerman's skills as a former bouncer/security that fateful night.

No kidding especially since one of his associates have stated that he was like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and also picking up and throwing the girl while he was bouncing.

~jmo~

 

[redkatrampant]

I will use Natasha R. again. she felt bad and went to lay down. that is not un natural.

Yes if the police saw him looking unconscious, they would have taken him to the ER.
But it does not always show up right then and there. like Natasha who felt it, and thought she will lay down and it will pass... well she passed.

With all due respect, I fail to see why NR keeps being brought up. Apparently GZ did NOT have an issue with any brain injuries because he did not lay down and die. He is still very much alive.

 

[angelmom]

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When I said earlier that I have heard discussions about how to bolster a self-defense claim, this is the type of concern people have. They could even get sued by the criminal if they don't make sure to kill him, they say. The logic is, don't take a chance of being charged with assault or being sued. You're better off to kill him and say it was self-defense. Stage the scene, if necessary.

Bringing this post over from previous thread. Etilema responded to m00c0w's post.

This brought back memories that are relevant here. I'm betting MANY owners of concealed carry permits will identify.

My husband I never owned a gun, never wanted to. We were actually pro gun control. Then a mentally ill person attempted to murder him. When that failed, the person hired (or said she did) a professional hit on his life. The first thing our local LE did was convince us to become licensed to carry concealed. I cried when they set a gun on the table in front of me and I puked at target practice before I could squeeze the trigger. (over it now)

Anyway, the teacher of our required certification classes was a high ranking military officer who had trained special forces. He told us in very clear and precise words that IF we ever had to shoot, to be sure to kill not injure, and IF we did, to claim after the fact that the person clearly stated threats to our lives. It left me feeling gutted, sad, and disillusioned.

Anyway, the late-coming claims by GZ's relative's second hand account of the event that Trayvon uttered specific words that GZ was going to die that night certainly reminded me of our "handgun training". I just don't buy it.

Sadly, it's so true. When I was in college and found myself unexpectedly living alone, I was being terrified by a peeping tom. One night I was on the phone with my now-husband who was in another city. I screamed, told him what happened, and then hung up to call 911. He hung up and called his friend, who beat the cops over there. While the friend was showing me how to load and unload the shotgun, the police arrived (and scared the living hell out of us by approaching the house quietly and in the dark trying to find the guy.)

They made it very clear to me that I was not allowed to kill someone (at that time in Florida) unless I was being attacked in the house. The officer's advice was to shoot first and drag the body across the threshold later. I was appalled, but neither my husband nor his friend gave it a second thought.

Thank God I never even had to get the shotgun out of the closet again. At the time, I was only 19 and I'm sure I would have either been killed by my own weapon or shot a hole in the house.

 

[suzihawk]

JVM just mentions Trayvon's autopsy report has been sealed and will not be released, until and only maybe if the case goes to court. I would think the parents have a right to this information.

I wasn't allowed access to my child's autopsy until her case was disposed of. ('Disposed' is an accurate but unfortunate description.) Although the Defendant had full access as was HIS right. I had none. This was in the late 80's and I can only believe their rights have increased.

JMO

 

[Isabelle]

Because . . . it's standard procedure to bag the hands of a shooter. The police didn't follow normal procedures, which is why we are here talking about this now.

They can tell a lot by the residue on the shooter and on the dead person. For instance they can tell whether the shot happened at close range or further away.

The truth only comes out when procedures are followed and facts are gathered. Excuses for why they didn't do certain things are not going to cut it with the public or the justice system.

The police should have treated Zimmerman with objectivity, which means treating him like any other perp. It was his word against a dead boy on the ground, and the police are not the judge and jury there on the scene.

And so many screw-ups by SPD may well allow GZ to walk with no trial. That would be a crime.

 

[LolaMoon08]

A while ago, I believe someone in his family or a friend, said that George mentored young black kids? Did we ever get any confirmation on that? Where he volunteered? I would think that if he belonged to an organization or volunteered to mentor young black kids, there would be record of it? I'm pretty sure they would need to do background checks, etc?

I love anyone who volunteers their time to help other people. I doesn't even matter what cause you volunteer for, it's the thought and heart that goes into it.

I would like for more information on this part of George's life?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Actually, an adult's head is approximately 6 inches in height. I learned that studying art and portrait painting.

Wish I hadn't read that. Felt like a freakin fool sitting here with a ruler trying to measure my head.

 

[Isabelle]

I wasn't allowed access to my child's autopsy until her case was disposed of. ('Disposed' is an accurate but unfortunate description.) Although the Defendant had full access as was HIS right. I had none. This was in the late 80's and I can only believe their rights have increased.

JMO

So sorry Suzi. We belong to the group that no one wants to belong to.

 

[LambChop]

I think this whole worked as bouncer/private security thing is very interesting. As Lolamoon pointed out, bouncers should have some fighting skills. My bff is a professional bouncer, has been for ten years. He, as a bouncer, is supposed to have some fighting skills, yes. But even more importantly, in his role as a bouncer he needs to have skills in de-escalating volatile situations. He needs to be able to defuse and disperse. If someone else gets violent he is trained to remove them from the situation while inflicting as little damage on them as possible. He is good at his job, and he can pin, hold, or restrain raging, aggressive people of all sizes almost always without injuring them or getting injured. In literally dozens of fights and altercations of all types he has never been seriously injured. Where were George Zimmerman's skills as a former bouncer/security that fateful night.

Apparently GZ had the same problem as a bouncer that he had on that fateful night......he does not listen and never applies what he has been taught to any given situation. Obviously a timebomb just waiting for an opportunity. jmo

 

[TonyGatto]

Toure giving Piers Morgan a whooping over having the brother on -- says he is estranged from GZ. Piers says that's wrong.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Wish I hadn't read that. Felt like a freakin fool sitting here with a ruler trying to measure my head.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Don't worry about it! When we were learning about post mortem death bands, I think everyone collectively pulled out a piece of their hair and started to examine it. That was an interesting day on Websleuths.

ETA: The duct tape experiments were even more interesting.

ETA: And how could I forget the pizza experiments. Yeah, those too.

 

[Netzilla]

Actually, an adult's head is approximately 6 inches in height. I learned that studying art and portrait painting.

I believe you are thinking of the head's width, height is about 9 inches.

 

[Beyond Belief]

i just heard on Hannity the words of the new black panthers, they will force the government to do their job or they will do it for them. Their words.
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[Adrienne37]

Piers Morgan stated that Zimmerman's father says there is no estrangement between the brothers.



~jmo~

 

[rotterdam]

If I get out my car and chase someone with a handgun where I live, Im looking at many many years in jail. But not only are you allowed to do this Florida, apparently you are also allowed to kill them too.

Yup, pretty mind boggling. Shooting guns by a private individual in a residential area, all condoned when you experience reasonable fear for one reason or another.
I would be afraid to say '"Boo" to a person in Florida and would definitely stay home at Halloween. Do not want to be a victim of a stray bullet.

 

[ohiogirl]

George was definitely losing. He was on his back.

Why would George get into a fight with strong 17 yr old man, 6 inches taller than he was, when he had a gun to be his "equalizer" against any opponent? That's why one might carry a gun, because one could be challenged by someone who would kick your *advertiser censored**...Why get beat up first?

That is why one might carry a gun? Really? There are too many reasons to list. He is a cop wannabee? He has issues? I don't know but I bet he regrets it at this point.

 

[kimpage]

Now on Piers morgan he says Joe Oliver said GZ's father said there is no estrangement between the brothers....So confuzzled What is going on in the Zimmerman family????? I think they must be related to another Florida family that cant speak the truth..... IMHO JMHO and all that