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Anybody from Canada and the northern US would make a spontaneous visit to Florida in the middle of February because it is WARM in Florida in February and it is FRIGID in the north. Not to mention the snow.
Welcome to Ws Northfloridafaces!I've been a little bit obsessed with this case since I read about it, which is actually why I made an account here!
I'm really interested on updates about Amber Potts. She still hasn't been added to the exclusions list, so I'm not sure what exactly is going on there...
I feel like the fact that she was seen hitchhiking is pretty important. Its unlikely that her initial dissapearence was by force, and we know that she was likely traveling alone. That, combined with the fact that she is probably not a local, leads me to suspect shes a runaway. To be fair, though, thats not the only conclusion you could draw from that.
What really gets me about this case is how much information we have.
Considering the fact that she was seen the day before her remains were found, and that her PMI was estimated to be 24 hours, we have a pretty set time frame for when the crime occured. We have a pretty distinct face, tattoos, and medical information. Because of how recent her death was, we have all of these details about hair color and clothing. I feel like, because of this, and the fact she remains a Doe case, people are not looking for her... at least not looking in FLORIDA for her. This is partly why I like the Amber theory- she dissapeared far from where the Valentine Doe was found. I think that if she is reported missing (and I'm hopeful that she was), than she is from well out of state, or that she was expected to be traveling elsewhere. I think that its fairly likely she is from out of country, especially if shes on the older side of the age estimate. This is, again, supported by her clothing.
I'm really not convinced that this has anything to do with Valentines day at all. Well, perhaps on the side of the killer, but if she was alone as reported, I think she appearence that day was more coincidental.
Probably didnt really contribute anything helpful, but theres my current thoughts on the case.
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I've been a little bit obsessed with this case since I read about it, which is actually why I made an account here!
I'm really interested on updates about Amber Potts. She still hasn't been added to the exclusions list, so I'm not sure what exactly is going on there...
I feel like the fact that she was seen hitchhiking is pretty important. Its unlikely that her initial dissapearence was by force, and we know that she was likely traveling alone. That, combined with the fact that she is probably not a local, leads me to suspect shes a runaway. To be fair, though, thats not the only conclusion you could draw from that.
What really gets me about this case is how much information we have.
Considering the fact that she was seen the day before her remains were found, and that her PMI was estimated to be 24 hours, we have a pretty set time frame for when the crime occured. We have a pretty distinct face, tattoos, and medical information. Because of how recent her death was, we have all of these details about hair color and clothing. I feel like, because of this, and the fact she remains a Doe case, people are not looking for her... at least not looking in FLORIDA for her. This is partly why I like the Amber theory- she dissapeared far from where the Valentine Doe was found. I think that if she is reported missing (and I'm hopeful that she was), than she is from well out of state, or that she was expected to be traveling elsewhere. I think that its fairly likely she is from out of country, especially if shes on the older side of the age estimate. This is, again, supported by her clothing.
I'm really not convinced that this has anything to do with Valentines day at all. Well, perhaps on the side of the killer, but if she was alone as reported, I think she appearence that day was more coincidental.
Probably didnt really contribute anything helpful, but theres my current thoughts on the case.
Edit: grammar
Back again! I've been sifting through Canadian missing databases for the last few days, and found a good amount of potential matches (of varying degrees, mind you- was trying to keep in mind that she might have grown, ect, since disappearing). I gotta say, the Canadian reports are a lot less consistant and available than the US. So theres a lot of conflicting info about these people.
And thank you everyone who welcomed me!
Anyways, heres my list, and some of my thoughts on them:
Betsy is slightly short, and her weight is lower than Valentine. Hair may be darker, but that might be the photo. Its not impossible that she gained some weight or even grew, considering her age, and I think she bears some resemblance to Val.
Justice for Native Women: Betsy Owens, Missing from Manitoba since 1988.
I think Kathy looks fairly similiar to Doe, in my (admittadly pretty bad) opinion. The circumstances are off though. Walking into the woods sounds like a more generally lost move than runaway.
Canada's Missing | Case details
So heres the thing- Lori is too tall according to the Doe Network. But I'm including her because the RCMP reports her 5"6. Her sister has a facebook page, and alludes to her being a runaway, which would make sense. If the idea that Doe is pregnant is only because of the stretch marks, it could actually just be that Lori lost a lot of weight quickly in those years.
The Doe Network: Case File 349DFMB
If Myrna was still growing, I would say shes a fair option. She was 5'1 and 15, so its unlikely. But I'm including her anyways. I think its the mouth.
Canada's Missing | Case details
Okay, I think Charlene and Valentine have some eerie similarities. And Charlene was hitchhiking. In the photo, she even has noticably nice teeth, and if her moth was closed, it looks like her lips would match Val. She probably has the most similiar nose as of yet, which is whats so distinct about Doe.
Canada's Missing | Case details
Unlikely. Doesn't look like Val, but she was in foster care. Doesn't sound like she ran away, but I'm including her as a possibility. Tbh I'm not sure why lol.
The Doe Network: Case File 1321DFNF
Face shape is similar, but features are angled differently. It could be because the images are at different angles. Its mentioned that she had freckles which isnt mentioned with Doe... and she would be in her early thirties at the TOD.
Justice for Native Women: Corine Moosomin, Missing from Saskatchewan since 1986.
Not identical, but something about her feels familiar to Valentine. Lacking that nose though.
Missing Children Database: Melanie Temperton
Still considering Amber!
Missing Children Database: Amber Potts-Jaffary
On the short side, but was also a hitchhiker. I can see resemblance to Doe- I think if her face was more relaxed, it would be much closer.
MissingKidsALERT.ca Profile
Wow, some of Myrna Montgrand's features are very similar to those of VJD, in my opinion. I'm not sure how likely that this is a match, though, due to the slight age discrepancy and the fact that not all of the features, such as the distance between the eyes, match up perfectly.
Also, when looking at VJD's reconstructions, especially the original reconstruction in black and white, I can definitely see some racial admixture, although it isn't as pronounced in her newest NCMEC reconstruction. I think you might be on to something by looking at missing aboriginal women from Canada. I also think some Hispanic or perhaps even Asian ancestry is not out of the question, either.
Sharon baldeagle looks really similar but the story doesn’t really line up. Great work though, don’t have time right now to go through the others in detail.View attachment 185585
Okay, I promise I'm done for today. I wanted to be able to compare their faces without flipping back and forth between browsers. Thank you @ClaireNC for posting the updated exclusions list- I always forget to check it, and finally realized Delphine was already on there!
But yeah, I've been looking at faces all day, so everyone is starting to look the same. I'd appreciate if anyone wanted to look into some of these girls and provide a second opinion! Either to rule them out, or make them a stonger candidate.
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Heres a few more that I that I've been looking at today...
Unfortunately, Sharon probably was killed by her kidnapper. But if what he says is true, then perhaps she could be Valentine.
Sharon Baldeagle – The Charley Project
I think they look pretty alike! But she would be a few years older than Valentine.
Justice for Native Women: Linda Jackson, Missing from Washington since 1983.
Would have been older... but I'll include her because they share a lot of features.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Another "older than Val, but looks similar" lol
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Make sure you look for Valentine's tattoos - and that the subject you're investigating had given birth. I lived in the Keys then, and helped out on this case. The murder suspect(s) must have been familiar with the area she was killed in - a tourist would have a hard time finding it. The area was popular with people who were 'hippy camping', homeless, those who wanted to do drugs, wind surfers, etc.
Tavia Elizabeth Bailey – The Charley Project
They do look alike but the dates are wrong as well as the height.