GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU law professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #3 *Arrests*

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The going rate seems to be anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few hundred thousand dollars. I seem to recall people here saying that current rates are around $50,000, maybe higher. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/02/dirty_deeds_done_dirt_cheap.html
An example of how they could have structured it: Hire her as an "office manager" for a generous salary of $150k/year for a job that would typically pay $75k, or set up some other similar type of arrangement. Or make her a 1099 contractor and have her submit real invoices, but at inflated rates. IMHO, just completely speculating.

There could be a perfectly innocent explanation and it could just be a total coincidence that she worked there. I don't recall this being discussed in the probable cause. Just seems like a pretty big coincidence on top of everything else. IMHO
 
Good point about having an accountant. The accountant would make a great witness if they were laundering money through the business. They could have pretended to hire her as an outside marketer or something like that, that didn't necessarily require her to be in the office.

I think the boob job really happened. There were supposedly pics of the before and after on social media, according to the news article.
 
Also, I speculate they were paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000. A big chunk of cash to them, not that much money to the As.
 
miamiheat said:
Rivera's docket indicates that he's filed motions to incur additional costs in connection with hiring a private investigator and "mitigation specialist," presumably to fight the death penalty. The court appears to have granted both motions. Possible that he's cooperating despite all this?
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I was wondering about this too. From what I can find it seems to be mandatory for the defense to do this in this circumstance. Don't see the same for Garcia's docket, however, he has bounced around from lawyer to lawyer.

[FONT=&quot]"Furthermore, the [/FONT]American Bar Association [ABA] Guidelines for the Appointment and Performance of Defense Counsel in Death Penalty Cases (Rev. Ed. Feb. 2003),[FONT=&quot] is of the opinion that a [/FONT]mitigation specialist (if not more than one) is a mandatory part of the defense in any capital case. See,ABA Guideline 10.4 (C)(2)(a). In fact, the ABA Guidelines require every criminal defense team facing a capital punishment sentence have at the minimum two attorneys, a private investigator, and a mitigation specialist."
(http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/mitigation-specialists-play-a-vital-role-in-death-penalty-defense/)

Also

"The mitigation specialist often plays an important role as well in maintaining close contact with the client and his family while the case is pending. The rapport developed in this process can be the key to persuading a client to accept a plea to a sentence less than death."
(http://www.tonymosslaw.com/criminal...sulting/what-does-a-mitigation-specialist-do/)


 
miamiheat said:
Rivera's docket indicates that he's filed motions to incur additional costs in connection with hiring a private investigator and "mitigation specialist," presumably to fight the death penalty. The court appears to have granted both motions. Possible that he's cooperating despite all this?
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Do we know if Rivera is still MIA?

I'd think the above requests are necessary whether he is or isn't talking.

What is he hoping to get from a PI? Finding the real shooters?

And then there's Mr. Garcia, who wants a bond hearing so he can get out long enough to take his women (and furniture) and get the heck out of Dodge.

IMO with a lot of snark.

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Razz said:
Do we know if Rivera is still MIA?

I'd think the above requests are necessary whether he is or isn't talking.

What is he hoping to get from a PI? Finding the real shooters?

And then there's Mr. Garcia, who wants a bond hearing so he can get out long enough to take his women (and furniture) and get the heck out of Dodge.

IMO with a lot of snark.

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BBM. Maybe to make sure he knows where the As are......if I were them and I had hired a gangster to commit murder and they got caught and not me, I'd be shaking in my boots! And in hiding.
 
86Violet said:
Also, I speculate they were paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000. A big chunk of cash to them, not that much money to the As.
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Phrasing lol... I kept thinking, "who paid the As 'not that much money'" heh
 
11 weeks until trial and

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Sorry to harp about the phone call between SG and KM again, but a few things stand out, imo, fwiw.
Wondering what the significance of a shower might mean, SG speaks of how he tries to keep clean and when he showers .. ( oh maybe that is my answer right there) also, when SG starts to talk about the death penalty, KM suddenly raises her voice to address one of the kids something about taking a shower.
KM speaks of the difficulty of taking care of 3 kids, i thought they had 2 children, iirc...
All speculation, imo.rbbm.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030762-200-prisoners-code-word-caught-by-software-that-eavesdrops-on-calls/
Prisoners’ code word caught by software that eavesdrops on calls

Plug a machine-learning system in to prison phone lines and you can find out secrets a human monitor would never notice
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Every call into or out of US prisons is recorded. It can be important to know what’s being said, because some inmates use phones to conduct illegal business on the outside. But the recordings generate huge quantities of audio that are prohibitively expensive to monitor with human ears.

To help, one jail in the Midwest recently used a machine-learning system developed by London firm Intelligent Voice to listen in on the thousands of hours of recordings generated every month.
“No one at the prison spotted the code word until software started churning through calls“
The software saw the phrase “three-way” cropping up again and again in the calls – it was one of the most common non-trivial words or phrases used. At first, prison officials were surprised by the overwhelming popularity of what they thought was a sexual reference.
Then they worked out it was code. Prisoners are allowed to call only a few previously agreed numbers. So if an inmate wanted to speak to someone on a number not on the list, they would call their friends or parents and ask for a “three-way” with the person they really wanted to talk to – code for dialling a third party into the call.
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...phone-calls-jailhouse-phone-shellie-zimmerman
Jail phone calls a nightmare for defense attorneys

April 26, 2014|By Amy Pavuk, Orlando Sentinel
Jennifer Helen Richmond may have thought she was talking in confidence when she allegedly detailed plans to get out of jail and then flee to Jamaica with her pimp.
George and Shellie Zimmerman likely didn't think anyone else would decipher the codes they used during phone calls.
But investigators were listening to their jailhouse phone conversations, and prosecutors later used their words against them.
Telephone calls are recorded for security purposes at the jail, but these conversations can bolster prosecutors' cases and become a nightmare for defense attorneys.


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Despite being warned every time they make a call that they are being recorded, inmates in Central Florida talk about their cases and sometimes make incriminating statements over the phone.
"Depending on how strong the case is for the prosecution based upon the evidence, it could blow the case right out of the water," said Orlando defense attorney Andrew Moses. "It can lead to their conviction."
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Above the Law has posted FBI notes of an interview conducted 6/28/16 with a friend of KM's: http://abovethelaw.com/2016/08/the-dan-markel-case-a-notable-new-document/ A few notable things from the interview:

1. According to the friend, KM and CA dated from late 2013 to early 2015. (DM's murder was in July 2014.)

2. The friend says KM worked for a dental office in South Beach, which is where she met CA, who "frequently worked there." KM worked at the front desk and did "insurance verification." Note that the As' office (http://floridasmilemaker.com/) is in Tamarac, which is not near South Beach. A quick search, however, shows that CA is or was affiliated with several other dental offices around Miami, including this one in South Beach: http://jwiz.com/business/dr-charles-adelson-dmd-ms-periodontist-63839.html Assuming this information is correct, it appears that KM may not have worked in the main A dental office along with CA's (and WA's) parents.

3. The reason KM and CA broke up was that Garcia was jealous of CA, and made violent threats to CA.

4. It appears that KM and Rivera knew each other; KM attended a party at Rivera's brother's residence. (Recall that the cops' photo collage showing the relationships between the various players described KM and Rivera as "friends.")

Above the Law floats various scenarios where Garcia and Rivera killed DM, but not at the direction of CA (or not via KM) -- but then dismisses those (correctly, IMO) as highly implausible. I've yet to hear any coherent theory from any defender of the As as to who actually killed DM, and why. (Yes, yes, the burden is on the prosecution, not the defense, in any trial, but I'm not a juror, and it's perfectly logical for me, as a human being, to want to know the defense's story, and to find it suspicious that they don't have a plausible one.)
 
Wow! That is some great info. Thanks.

If KM was at one point pushing child support from Garcia in an attempt to get money, while dating CA, then that makes perfect sense to me that she would find him a "job" that paid very, very well. It would get the attorney off his back and benefit ALL parties involved. It doesn't indicate the timing of her pressuring Garcia for money, unfortunately. I could see that going down -- Charlie hearing KM's groans about not getting child support while Garcia is in relationships with strippers and *advertiser censored* stars. Then offering up a solution, a pay day and in turn, Katherine benefits financially too.


BSBC said:
Above the Law has posted FBI notes of an interview conducted 6/28/16 with a friend of KM's: http://abovethelaw.com/2016/08/the-dan-markel-case-a-notable-new-document/ A few notable things from the interview:

1. According to the friend, KM and CA dated from late 2013 to early 2015. (DM's murder was in July 2014.)

2. The friend says KM worked for a dental office in South Beach, which is where she met CA, who "frequently worked there." KM worked at the front desk and did "insurance verification." Note that the As' office (http://floridasmilemaker.com/) is in Tamarac, which is not near South Beach. A quick search, however, shows that CA is or was affiliated with several other dental offices around Miami, including this one in South Beach: http://jwiz.com/business/dr-charles-adelson-dmd-ms-periodontist-63839.html Assuming this information is correct, it appears that KM may not have worked in the main A dental office along with CA's (and WA's) parents.

3. The reason KM and CA broke up was that Garcia was jealous of CA, and made violent threats to CA.

4. It appears that KM and Rivera knew each other; KM attended a party at Rivera's brother's residence. (Recall that the cops' photo collage showing the relationships between the various players described KM and Rivera as "friends.")

Above the Law floats various scenarios where Garcia and Rivera killed DM, but not at the direction of CA (or not via KM) -- but then dismisses those (correctly, IMO) as highly implausible. I've yet to hear any coherent theory from any defender of the As as to who actually killed DM, and why. (Yes, yes, the burden is on the prosecution, not the defense, in any trial, but I'm not a juror, and it's perfectly logical for me, as a human being, to want to know the defense's story, and to find it suspicious that they don't have a plausible one.)
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reallybusy said:
Wow! That is some great info. Thanks.

If KM was at one point pushing child support from Garcia in an attempt to get money, while dating CA, then that makes perfect sense to me that she would find him a "job" that paid very, very well. It would get the attorney off his back and benefit ALL parties involved. It doesn't indicate the timing of her pressuring Garcia for money, unfortunately. I could see that going down -- Charlie hearing KM's groans about not getting child support while Garcia is in relationships with strippers and *advertiser censored* stars. Then offering up a solution, a pay day and in turn, Katherine benefits financially too.
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One might think ( and hope) that a struggling single mother with young children, who receives no child support, would not be inclined to spend $6-7 k on breast enhancement, imo.
Quite surprising that CA would have a romantic relationship with a gang member's ex. and not be laying very low after being threatened.
Although it seems that at least two (alleged) enemies of CA are out of the way, something, somehow does not seem to add up, maybe the next "reveal" will prove to be the Piece de resistance, imo speculation.
 
dotr said:
One might think ( and hope) that a struggling single mother with young children, who receives no child support, would not be inclined to spend $6-7 k on breast enhancement, imo.
Quite surprising that CA would have a romantic relationship with a gang member's ex. and not be laying very low after being threatened.
Although it seems that at least two (alleged) enemies of CA are out of the way, something, somehow does not seem to add up, maybe the next "reveal" will prove to be the Piece de resistance, imo speculation.
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Well, she did come into a large some of money... Imo
 
you would be surprised at what a "struggling" mother will squander money on (not all, but some.... )

dotr said:
One might think ( and hope) that a struggling single mother with young children, who receives no child support, would not be inclined to spend $6-7 k on breast enhancement, imo.
Quite surprising that CA would have a romantic relationship with a gang member's ex. and not be laying very low after being threatened.
Although it seems that at least two (alleged) enemies of CA are out of the way, something, somehow does not seem to add up, maybe the next "reveal" will prove to be the Piece de resistance, imo speculation.
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Thanks so much for posting the video!! I hadn't seen it yet!! I think she sounds fake. I think she knew. That's my opinion.
 
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