FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[human]

And food and smoking and cabin crew were not like nurse Ratched in One FLew Over the Coocoos nest, empty planes, the seat in front of you was not up your nose!!

When someone put their seat back you did not end up with a stranger in your lap!!!

Taking off on time!! You could show up 45 minutes and not end running a marathon to make it !!

Hey could be a joy for some people, (strippers I suppose) but you did not need to strip !! I just find getting dressed twice somewhat redundant!!

I suppose an inappropriate pat down could be fun depending on your orientation!


Cabin crew would let you run all over the plane!!

They did not sell 187 tickets for planes that have the capacity for 138!!

Ahhhh the good old says


Bing bing big Bonus :: You did not end up in intensive care with your life not a certainty.

The seats were like first class is now. I always do the pat down. Figure I don't need more radiation.

 

[Gardenista]

[FONT="]The Israeli flag carrier is routinely named the most secure airline in the world thanks to its [/FONT][URL="http://www.tabletmag.com/the-roll/102229/the-gatekeepers"]exceedingly thorough passenger interviews[/URL][FONT="], use of armed air marshals on every flight and obsessive attention to screening (check-in times for El Al flights are much longer than for other carriers). Those measures have resulted in no hijackings in the airline's history except for one in 1968. And since its founding in 1948, no El Al passenger jet has ever crashed.

[/FONT]http://www.ibtimes.com/el-al-israel-airlines-safest-airline-world-also-worst-time-performer-1556712

El Al is amazing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ques-successful-predictable-checks-scans.html

Agree. They profile people which is very smart.

 

[al66pine]

.....firearm was his only piece of checked luggage, said Jesse Davis, chief of police at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.
It this turns out to be true , how on earth could a baggage handler not think something is very strange for someone to check a bag that weighs what 9 onces on a long flight - come on!
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...ntiago-who-was-fort-lauderdale-409914655.html

^ bbm & sbm. "...his only piece of checked luggage..." could have been a small-ish container (accommodating only gun & ammo) or could have been a small, average or large suitcase w gun-container inside. IDK. If the above article described weight or size of bag or had pix, I missed it. Anyone?

Even if so small as to contain only gun & three magazines of ammo MSM said he fired, why would small size give cause for bag-handler to question or raise alarm?

After passenger declares gun & ammo at airline tix-counter, agent specially tags/marks gun-container like in vid* below. Then passenger then locks handgun & ammo container w key or combo. Then handgun-container is usually/virtually always/always put inside 'regular suitcase.' As a checked bag, it would be x-rayed & processed w other bags. No panic for baggage handlers. Just my understanding from TSA info & vid below, but could be aaaaalllllllll wrong.


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* https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
https://youtu.be/FpHGp9Z01f8 how-to-travel-guns TSA vid. Shows special marking/tagging.

 

[NCTeacher]

Wondering if he chose Florida because of the death penalty?
Something about going from cold Alaska to hot Florida to commit murder..hmm. Are the jails better? Hatred for the type of travelers that are likely to be there at this time of year?
speculation.imo
http://www.cp24.com/world/gunman-ap...pecifically-to-carry-out-attack-fbi-1.3231502

Well, my first instinct would be more tourists=more carnage. Then again, it's January---and he didn't really kill a lot of people (5 is too many, don't get me wrong).

 

[CARIIS]

Please do not tell me AK-47's are allowed in your luggage?

Media all wrong again - airport is now reopen - the airport is far from open

Term 2 is still closed-- there are 4 - and jmo- an airport with 25% of their airport closed is not reopen!!

Main tenant at terminal 2 is Delta

It remains a mess-- as of 7 minutes ago

http://centreforaviation.com/analys...international-passenger-growth-in-2014-215937

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling
Predictive Profiling

[h=3]Suspicion Indicators[/h]

Suspicion Indicators


A suspicion indicator is an indication based on known (or predicted) terrorist or criminal methods of operation or deviation from a typical profile that may lead one to believe that an observed situation (persons and/or objects) may have the potential for harming the protected environment and its inhabitants.
These indicators are derived from any aspect that relates to what we broadly term behavior. This would include among other things attire, accent, affect, identity both as reflected in an individual's documentation and by who they say they are, their 'cover story'.

Because suspicion indicators correlate directly with the AMOs associated with a given protected environment, there is no single definitive list. There are infinite examples of suspicion indicators, and perhaps the most poignant are those associated with the testimony of U.S. Airways agent Michael Tuohey, as regards the events of 9/11. Tuohey, who had worked for the airlines for over 30 years, 18 of which in Portland, checked in Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz al-Omari who were flying from Portland, ME to Boston, MA. He noticed the following suspicion indicators in Atta and al-Omari’s actions and behavior on the morning of 9/11:

• The terrorists arrived to check in only 30 minutes before departure.
• Atta and Omari were meandering in the checkin area although their flight was due to depart in 30 minutes.
• Omari never responded verbally to questions asked by Mr. Touhey; he just shook his head.
• Atta was looking at Mr. Touhey with anger.
• Both terrorists carried a full fare business class ticket.
• The tickets for both terrorists were one way.

 

[CARIIS]

Wondering if he chose Florida because of the death penalty?
Something about going from cold Alaska to hot Florida to commit murder..hmm. Are the jails better? Hatred for the type of travelers that are likely to be there at this time of year?
speculation.imo
http://www.cp24.com/world/gunman-ap...pecifically-to-carry-out-attack-fbi-1.3231502

[FONT=&quot] 37 people also suffered [/FONT][FONT=&quot]non life-threatening[/FONT][FONT=&quot] injuries in the evacuation process and panic after the mass shooting.[/FONT]


He actually strangled the g/friend arrest report here.

There were two references to his have ties to Naples Fl. I will try to find - but I thought that was significant.

[FONT=&quot]allegedly simply stopped showing up at the Guard.

[/FONT]http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/esteban-santiago-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooter-shooting-active-gunman-suspect-photo-citizen-isis-florida-facebook-new-jersey-victims-military/[FONT=&quot]

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[Momoffourboys]

[FONT="]The Israeli flag carrier is routinely named the most secure airline in the world thanks to its [/FONT][URL="http://www.tabletmag.com/the-roll/102229/the-gatekeepers"]exceedingly thorough passenger interviews[/URL][FONT="], use of armed air marshals on every flight and obsessive attention to screening (check-in times for El Al flights are much longer than for other carriers). Those measures have resulted in no hijackings in the airline's history except for one in 1968. And since its founding in 1948, no El Al passenger jet has ever crashed.

[/FONT]http://www.ibtimes.com/el-al-israel-airlines-safest-airline-world-also-worst-time-performer-1556712

El Al is amazing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ques-successful-predictable-checks-scans.html

FYI Its not just El Al. Its the Israeli gov't and security forces. Its all airlines.
Passengers are profiled BEFORE they arrive at the airport. Many cars are pulled over at the airport checkpoint.

 

[CARIIS]

When you fly the friendly skies, you’ll experience more invasion of privacy, groping and unwanted scrutiny when you walk through the TSA checkpoint than when you try to check guns in your baggage.

Humm lets think about this. Basically you have to declare your gun , really, as we just learned, what difference does that make?

That would only matter to people who have no nefarious plans

Who cares if a gun with no bullets, in the belly of an aircraft , at 38000 feet, going 575 mph, is in a locked case?

airlines will allow up to 11 pounds of ammunition.

That's ridiculous --people who want to go hunting buy your bullets when you get wherever one goes to murder animals!

you can keep ammunition in magazines -- how kind!

the agent won’t even bat an eye. I am feeling that security!

If your plan is too murder people upon arrival, the notion here is these folks would be concerned about getting caught not declaring a gun ??

Kinda like believing a serial killer would be concerned if he/she got a speeding ticket in the overall scheme of things!!

Really kind of meaningless we have learned.

Are you allowed to carry a military ID if the military fired you?

Terrorist with a Star Wars shirt - kinda amusing at some level.

CNN 159 arrivals and 149 departures were canceled -- about a third of the scheduled flights.

Here are the initial radio calls (tried to find more but) -- 2:24:00

[video=youtube;FvizuqMIWZ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvizuqMIWZ8[/video]



https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

 

[JohnPaul]

I was
just thinking about how easy it would be to do something at an airport in
unsecured areas

you can never secure all public places, it will never happen,

people who wish to carry out these types of actions/murders will always find a way to do it, regardless of security, nothing will ever prevent these types of tragedies,

so we spend millions of dollars securing baggage areas in the airports, the shooter then says that's okay, i will just walk into the shopping mall and shoot people there,

crazy people will always find a way,

guns don't kill people, people kill people,

banning guns on airlines?.....nope, won't help one bit (refer to two sentences up)

 

[Splenda]

I've been there as well. I'm trying to wrap my head around the policy that allowed for a firearm to be returned to a passenger at a point where they will still be in the congregation of others, rather than a secure Exit. In other words, checked weapons should be returned to owners as they leave the premises & not until. I've never thought about this being possible before. I remember preparing letters for our DA to sign verifying a need for an agent to transport their service weapon who was traveling for the purpose of picking up a perp who had been extradited to return & face charges in our State.

 

[CARIIS]

cooperating with investigators...interviewed him for several hours


did the Boston boys cooperate?

Can we imagine the San Bern guys sitting down for a chat

The Paris gang??

The psychotic planned parenthood guy sat down for a very long chat!



Columbine kids left a weath of info.o

So did delusional James Holmes

So did delusional James Holmes

Omar kept calling.

Charles Mansion was chatty!

Jeffrey Dahmer was willing to talk.



The Uber guy talked

Cho made video recordings.

Roof is talking

A delusional person might forget he had right to be silent

patterns

I think being in airplanes for hours and hours triggered flashbacks of flying in war, and he was at miltary base when he got to the baggage claim.

The passengers were the enemy - when he ran out of ammunition he surrendered to the enemy - in his mind

I think I am not Jewish fits somehow into this delusion

He threw his weapon away immediately . I am pretty sure that is what ya do on the battlefield when surrendering to the enemy. .

[FONT=&amp]laid down on the ground, spread-eagle--the enemy must know you are surrendering or you might get shot [/FONT]

Sounds like when he reclaimed his bag he noticeably (speed) ran to bathroom.

They all might have been CIA agents out to get him as well .

In the battle field, ya gotta be fast .

patterns - reason for Dc will be intersting.

jmo

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/07/us/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-main/

 

[flourish]

People go to the airport to pick up passengers and can still go into very populated areas of the airport to do so. They don't check those people. I'm not sure what it matters that he was a passenger, in terms of airport security, as he could have done the same thing in Alaska before he left instead. I'm curious as to that whole aspect. But having a checked gun or not having a checked gun doesn't really matter in the sense that any random dude could walk into the airport as though they're departing on a flight and take people out at that point, without the luggage and checked bags coming into play, couldn't they?

 

[JohnPaul]

I've been there as well. I'm trying to wrap my head around the policy that allowed for a firearm to be returned to a passenger at a point where they will still be in the congregation of others, rather than a secure Exit. In other words, checked weapons should be returned to owners as they leave the premises & not until

so instead of the gunman shooting people inside the airport, he shoots people outside the airport.....how does that make a difference??

 

[NSS]

I am getting a different vibe from the way this is unfolding, not the usual ISIS sympathising terrorist, just the opposite.

He is fighting against terror in Iraq, and witnesses the devastation it creates.

He displays mental health issues upon his return, and tells the FBI that ISIS are trying to get him to fight (this says to me that ISIS are still the bad guys to him and he fears ISIS).

He is honest when he says he is not going to hurt anyone (because he is not going to join them despite them trying to recruit him - the voices).

What if either the argument on the plane or a break led him to believe that ISIS were right there - come to get him. This fits his 'I am not Jewish' call, he is believing that terrorists are there in the airport (to get him).

He lays down to be arrested (no blaze of glory), he doesn't fire at LE, he believes he has done the right thing and is still fighting bad guys.

I believe that the stress of war coupled with mental illness are the root cause here. (subject to change if more information is revealed)

 

[JohnPaul]

People go to the airport to pick up passengers and can still go into very populated areas of the airport to do so. They don't check those people. I'm not sure what it matters that he was a passenger, in terms of airport security, as he could have done the same thing in Alaska before he left instead

he could have and most like WOULD HAVE done the same thing anywhere.....airport or not does not matter, he was going to kill one way or another....the location doesn't really matter

 

[al66pine]

... TSAs entire premise is we have to keep bad things off our beautiful machines that soar in wild blue yonder...

^bbm sbm Machines in the sky, exactly.

Just jumping off your post and not disagreeing w you, do we criticize lawmakers for not passing laws & LE for not enforcing (non-existent) laws to keep ppl in airports safe from gun violence? Knife injuries? Is there a statutory or enforcement gap?

Historically in 1960s-70s, ppl w guns high-jacking inter-US commercial flight diverted planes to Cuba.* Then laws & enforcement = metal detectors & security measures to prevent firearms from being broughtonboard. Undoubtedly pre-TSA there were firearm injuries and deaths in airport terminal, on tarmac, etc. but not a national focus. Post Sept 11, TSA more laws & further security measures to prevent knives (& sharp/bladed instruments/tools) from being brought onboard.

So until recently, imo, airport/airline security concerns focused largely on preventing firearms, knives, blades, & other weapons from being brought onboard, which in turn prevents planes from highjackings or forced crashes like 9-11, not gen public safety in terminals' ticket counters, baggage claims, curbside check-in, frequent flyer lounges, parking lots & garages. JM2cts.

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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cuba–United_States_aircraft_hijackings (US-Cuba)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings world-wide.

 

[CARIIS]

Santiago made the flight reservation on Tuesday,

Santiago was armed during his visit to the FBI office, law enforcement officials told CNN. He told federal agents he was licensed to carry a gun. As was standard practice in a FBI building, authorities took the gun and turned it over to local police.

That sounds oriented to time and place!

Ok he def saw direct combat , important as relates to flashbacks/PTSD etc imo

issues that surfaced after the Iraq tour.

10-month tour of Iraq, where he was awarded a combat action badge.

Bryan Santiago, in an interview in Peñuelas, Puerto Rico, said he used to speak with his brother regularly but the communication ceased about a month ago.
he was sliding downwards .. isolation increases

Israel cautioned it was early in the investigation and authorities did not know Santiago's motive (very sophisticated in terror )

 

[CARIIS]

People go to the airport to pick up passengers and can still go into very populated areas of the airport to do so. They don't check those people. I'm not sure what it matters that he was a passenger, in terms of airport security, as he could have done the same thing in Alaska before he left instead. I'm curious as to that whole aspect. But having a checked gun or not having a checked gun doesn't really matter in the sense that any random dude could walk into the airport as though they're departing on a flight and take people out at that point, without the luggage and checked bags coming into play, couldn't they?

Yeh, but what happened afterwards as it relates to airport security is the problem for the future.


moo

 

[CARIIS]

There Are a bunch of people running around an airport , in the United States of America, with backpacks.

Find Waldo

Which person in this above picture has a pressure cooker in his backpack? You have 13 seconds.

In this picture below locate the three people that have bags with explosives in them ?

Is this aircraft fully loaded in addition to all the deaths around the plane?

Is this a departing aircraft filled with fuel? How close is the next aircraft - or cluster of escapees?

ahhhhhhhhhhhh scary shi%

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