GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #18

[amicuscurie]

yes the wording on that was ambiguous

' a suicide'
not her suicide

BTW Carl Steinbeck was referring to a family annihalation type suicide involving murder of the boys culminating in suicide, not a single suicidal act by eg Donna or Wendi @floridafreshsqueez

She wouldnt kill the boys. Also, they’re young men now. 13 and 14.

 

[IQuestion]

I never knew this part...but it makes sense. When she didn't want to talk to DM she feigned laryngitis. I wonder how many excuses she used to keep DM's family from having acces to grandchildren? Another ruse out of the Wendi playbook for idiots:
The following day, the TPD investigator contacted Wendi on her cellular telephone.
Once the investigator identified himself, Wendi claimed to have a bad connection and the call was terminated. Less than five minutes later,Wendi's attomey called the investigator and informed him that Wendi left town with her children and parents in route to South Florida. The attorney could not provide a date for Wendi’s return to Tallahassee, and requested he be contacted for any further inquiries.

 

[amicuscurie]

I wonder where Harvey is in all this? We don’t know much about his personality. I doubt he continued on to that plane to Vietnam. Gotta wonder what’s going on in his mind today and if he’s further shifting around funds, or if he’s considering offing himself. I wonder if Donna and Harvey put all their assets into a family trust that Wendi and the boys will eventually receive?

There are so many thoughts going through my head I can’t organize them.

Like…if they were fleeing forever- what about all their properties, their home, their responsibilities, bills… etc …was Wendi going to handle a that? Cause she can’t even handle her own life!

They have no properties. They sold their home and business.

 

[cottonweaver]

She wouldnt kill the boys. Also, they’re young men now. 13 and 14.

which is why I added the note at the bottom of my post with the word ' not' - read the post I was replying to

 

[Gypsy Road]

They have no properties. They sold their home and business.

oh I didn’t know that! Were they renting? Living with Wendi? So they slowly they liquified everything and stashed the money in trusts or offshore accounts?

 

[Missyrocks5]

I am trying to figure out the angle of CA and DA speaking to each other on what they know is a recorded jail call talking about suicide and plans to flee. I just don’t understand it. Was D thanking she could get sympathy to keep them from going after her? But they did end up trying to flee, so I just don’t understand how they were talking about that on a recorded line.

 

[amicuscurie]

They have no properties. They sold their home and business.

ETA- property records indicate they bought a condo in March 2022 (what was happening around then, I wonder…) which is owned by a trust. The condo is not on Miami Beach, it’s in Miami.

 

[amicuscurie]

oh I didn’t know that! Were they renting? Living with Wendi? So they slowly they liquified everything and stashed the money in trusts or offshore accounts?

I edited this below. They bought a condo in March 2022.

 

[amicuscurie]

I am trying to figure out the angle of CA and DA speaking to each other on what they know is a recorded jail call talking about suicide and plans to flee. I just don’t understand it. Was D thanking she could get sympathy to keep them from going after her? But they did end up trying to flee, so I just don’t understand how they were talking about that on a recorded line.

Remember, during the bump they kept saying don’t talk on the phone and then proceeding to talk on the phone.

 

[Sustained]

They have no properties. They sold their home and business.

According to the Broward & Dade County property appraisers, the A's still have property in both titled to a trust in HA's name.

 

[Missyrocks5]

The news about WA consulting with those specialist attorneys I think shows that the last charge will be against Donna. I think it has always been an uphill climb to prove a case against her beyond a reasonable doubt, and now she will get an attorney to argue that any charge against her is utilizing evidence derived from her testimony at the trials. To tie it up in court for years. Per Tim J. I don’t think they are going to charge her for Harvey. IMO.

 

[Weki]

yes the wording on that was ambiguous

' a suicide'
not her suicide
kinda reminds me of Charlie on the wires, constantly telling Katie not to talk, but in coded ways - suggesting her tactics should mirror his

BTW Carl Steinbeck was referring to a family annihalation type suicide involving murder of the boys culminating in suicide, not a single suicidal act by eg Donna or Wendi @floridafreshsqueez

Carl Steinbeck has some theories that are just out there! His homicide-suicide scenario does not fit the dynamics of this crime at all! It’s just insane for him to put that idea in our heads! So disturbing! JMO

I think she was talking about her suicide and likely doing so to continue to make Charlie protective of her. That is the dynamic between them. From the wire taps we know he’s very invested in making sure she doesn’t worry too much etc. Here he is convicted of murder and about to spend life in prison - what mother would tell her son in that position that she’s thinking about killing herself? JMO

 

[amicuscurie]

The news about WA consulting with those specialist attorneys I think shows that the last charge will be against Donna. I think it has always been an uphill climb to prove a case against her beyond a reasonable doubt, and now she will get an attorney to argue that any charge against her is utilizing evidence derived from her testimony at the trials. To tie it up in court for years. Per Tim J. I don’t think they are going to charge her for Harvey. IMO.

I get that, but how does this tie it up? Wouldn’t these be issues that would come up at trial? Can you pre-emptively move to exclude evidence if no trial is scheduled?

 

[clearskies1]

The news about WA consulting with those specialist attorneys I think shows that the last charge will be against Donna. I think it has always been an uphill climb to prove a case against her beyond a reasonable doubt, and now she will get an attorney to argue that any charge against her is utilizing evidence derived from her testimony at the trials. To tie it up in court for years. Per Tim J. I don’t think they are going to charge her for Harvey. IMO.

Yes, the fact that she had use/derivative use immunity was always an issue for the state in terms of potentially prosecuting her. Of course, if either CA or DA flip on her, that might change things ... JMO.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

I just watched the 2 minute initial appearance before the judge: My impression was that 'Mrs. Adelson' just does NOT yet 'get it'. She's toast, but, based on what's in her mind right now, she thinks SHE'S the one in control - her behavior was JUST THE SAME as that obnoxious email she'd sent Wendy telling her she had to focus 100 percent on her 'acting skills' to wipe out her ex-husband - I just read that email, too - rof and lol at how 'Mrs. Adelson' tells Wendy one way she'll 'stick it' to Dan is by stressing that where he lives is 'The Bible Belt'. roflm.... 'Mrs. Adelson' looked totally SNARKY behind that podium---her elbow sprawled outward - she was at an angle - I could just hear her saying 'You listen to ME you little @%@%$@$%' to the judge. I bet she'll spend 40 minutes with her lawyer throwing a fit over how she was the spitting image of some broad on the judge's return flight from Paris yesterday.... Gonna be a bit of a crash for her..... How often will she be looking in a mirror in jail, please -- I think the first 'hint' to her that things have shaken up for her are when she sees her gray haired roots.... And PS: How could she have been so totally STUPID to buy a one way ticket to Vietnam? (not that buying a 2-way ticket would have changed her getting arrested one bit.... but still mega STUPID - or 'twisted mind sociopath arrogance'?).

 

[Slick762]

Yeah but the more WA testifies under oath, the more they have to work with to find a lie. And as soon as they find a lie she made under oath, that immunity deal can be challenged. And there's probable cause for an arrest, maybe, because she's committed perjury.

 

[cottonweaver]

The news about WA consulting with those specialist attorneys I think shows that the last charge will be against Donna. I think it has always been an uphill climb to prove a case against her beyond a reasonable doubt, and now she will get an attorney to argue that any charge against her is utilizing evidence derived from her testimony at the trials. To tie it up in court for years. Per Tim J. I don’t think they are going to charge her for Harvey. IMO.

He's always been consistent that he doesn't think she'll be prosecuted so at least we've all been pre-warned not to get our hopes up

 

[Gypsy Road]

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It is unbelievable how easy it is for savvy rich people to transfer assets/money. I knew someone who didn’t want their soon to be ex spouse to have any claim on a high end condo on the waterfront that they bought before the marriage, so they sold the condo to a friend at a extremely reduced price before filing for divorce..and then they bought it back after the divorce was final! They also transferred a home to their mother! People can be super savy protecting their assets.

 

[Missyrocks5]

It's interesting how JL and WA were casually dating, and they became a couple around the time DM was filing legal misrepresentation papers. The family dynamic is extremely odd. I wonder how the older brother fits into this family. I wonder if he was excommunicated for going against the authoritarian in the family? I wonder if he has any contact with them at all. I am glad he wasn't called as a witness despite being on the prosecution's witness list.

I get that, but how does this tie it up? Wouldn’t these be issues that would come up at trial? Can you pre-emptively move to exclude evidence if no trial is scheduled?

The attorneys were saying that if they charge her, they will immediately challenge it based on the evidence that it was derived from her testimony. They will appeal that particular issue up to all the appellate courts before any actual state criminal trial would occur against WendI. There’s a US Supreme Court case on that and so that’s why she consulted with a specialist attorney in Georgia. It would be a federal issue before there was ever a criminal state trial as I understand it. If she prevails on the federal level, they wouldn’t be able to bring the case against her in state court.

 

[clearskies1]

I get that, but how does this tie it up? Wouldn’t these be issues that would come up at trial? Can you pre-emptively move to exclude evidence if no trial is scheduled?

This article makes it appear that a Kastigar hearing will take place before a trial.

Former JEA executives in federal court for hearing ahead of October trial

Lawyers for two former JEA executives facing federal charges in connection with the attempted sale of the utility spent over two hours at a hearing Thursday morning questioning the FBI special agent who led the investigation, about how the case was built.

www.news4jax.com