FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *3 guilty* #15

[amicuscurie]

Rashbaum just lied to Katie???
Rash just claimed that CA told Lacasse the hit man joke while they were at the Yardbird

Or did I mishear Rash?

Yep. You heard right. And why is he insisting that murder for hire requires payment up front?

 

[cottonweaver]

Everything he says she automatically and defensively refutes even if it doesn’t matter or even if it helps her.

but don't you also think some of the jury have realised that Rash is deliberately withholding info from her while she's also replying that she cannot recall whether she was eg. at Restaurant X with Charlie in 2014 or 2013?

 

[Laura930]

Rush

I'm relying on this thread for info because I'm finding this way too annoying to listen to.

Same here, I just turned it off. I can’t listen to Rush/Rash he is beyond annoying.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

She did confirm the whole murder that Charlie hired.

Right, but that will be obvious to everyone - especially with the wiretaps and recorded convos. The cell phone evidence confirming her money drop and car rentals.

The only new information we have here is that the money Charlie gave her was damp and may or may not have come from Donna. She cant even tell us how much money she got. She never confirmed the breast surgery, the trip offer or any other financial gifts. The accountant and text messages will tell us this.

Since 2016, I was absolutely convinced that Charlie planned every detail of this - by insulating himself and his family by specifically by hiring people that would never rat on him or each other. By having code words planned out. Whatsapp, all that stuff. I was also convinced Charlie funded her defense. But all that insulation/walling off each part of the conspiracy was happenstance and sheer luck of Katie not flipping on him due to her own ego and unwillingness to flip on Sigfredo. So the whole thing is crazy.

And so the question is - was her testimony of virtually no new evidence and certainly no corroborating evidence that confirms her story......was the value of her testimony required to get a conviction? And is what shes offering worth more than the consequences of making this a trial about her credibility?

 

[clearskies1]

Oh please! Katie a mastermind?! JMO.

 

[amicuscurie]

Is there evidence of cash payments? The state needs to get her to explain that she didn’t want to deposit all the cash at once.

 

[Marysmith]

Rush

Same here, I just turned it off. I can’t listen to Rush/Rash he is beyond annoying.

Me three.

 

[Gypsy Road]

No Rasbum — YOU have an agenda.

 

[amicuscurie]

Right, but that will be obvious to everyone - especially with the wiretaps and recorded convos. The cell phone evidence confirming her money drop and car rentals.

The only new information we have here is that the money Charlie gave her was damp and may or may not have come from Donna. She cant even tell us how much money she got. She never confirmed the breast surgery, the trip offer or any other financial gifts. The accountant and text messages will tell us this.

Since 2016, I was absolutely convinced that Charlie planned every detail of this - by insulating himself and his family by specifically by hiring people that would never rat on him or each other. By having code words planned out. Whatsapp, all that stuff. I was also convinced Charlie funded her defense. But all that insulation/walling off each part of the conspiracy was happenstance and sheer luck of Katie not flipping on him due to her own ego and unwillingness to flip on Sigfredo. So the whole thing is crazy.

And so the question is - was her testimony of virtually no new evidence and certainly no corroborating evidence that confirms her story......was the value of her testimony required to get a conviction? And is what shes offering worth more than the consequences of making this a trial about her credibility?

Good point. Hope it doesn’t hurt the state too much

 

[cottonweaver]

No Rasbum — YOU have an agenda.

exactly

and then Rash asking the Judge to step-in
Judge says ' that's the answer whether you like it or not'
Lame quip from Rash as if he's 15 yrs old ' No I like that answer a lot'

 

[vislaw]

Good redirects by Georgia. Quick and to the point. This was a very good day for the state so far.

 

[cottonweaver]

redirect was poor imo!!

ETA
why?
so many missed opportunities
This case is confusing enough without not elucidating any of that for the jury.

 

[MTW2011]

Yep. You heard right. And why is he insisting that murder for hire requires payment up front?

Lie or accidental misrepresentation of the truth, kinda like when he said “6 hours” and Katie pushed back on that first one being two hours, he says “let’s see” slowly reads the time aloud and it’s a little close to 3 hours but not six lol.

 

[amicuscurie]

redirect was poor imo!!

That’s it? It was very brief.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Just glad he is done, it was hard to listen to.

 

[cottonweaver]

That’s it? It was very brief.

terrible
Rash covered about 30 topics with Katie and tried to sow confusion on almost every one of them - no wonder jury will be zoning out. Even WS-ers had to switch it off! Strategy.

 

[Weki]

I hate to say it but Katherine Magbanua was underwhelming. She added nothing that we didn’t know. Like @Blue Shakehead said the only thing new we learned from her was that the money was damp/had mold. She doesn’t know if Donna washed it she’s just speculating. She doesn’t know if Donna brought the money over. She’s just speculating. She’s still minimizing her involvement so there’s no catharsis for the victim’s family. Had she finally come to her senses and fallen on her sword it would’ve been a very different kind of morning. JMO

 

[GoJacks]

Well that was much quicker than anticipated

I was mainly hoping she would be asked about the "I know" in reference to the job being done when sigfredo called her. Hmm

 

[Gypsy Road]

I’m biased, I know. But I just don’t feel Rashbaum was successful there getting anyone to believe Katie was the mastermind. A lot of shouting, confusing the witness, sure —- but convincing me she was behind this? No. JMO

 

[clearskies1]

Brutal, just brutal.