FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *3 guilty* #16

[minusfour]

Oral examinations were a big part of dental school. The trick to these was to prepare really hard, (more than rote memory, you had to understand the information, and be able to apply it clinically), and STAY CALM, even if you couldn't answer the question really well.

There are persistent stories that Charlie had a rocky time in dental school.

I want you all to really understand that he would not have been well liked, or respected, within the dental community. That he was working at 30-35 practices speaks volumes. As does him dating KM, whom he met at one of those dental practices. A visiting specialist using your practice as a dating agency, with all the potential problems that may cause? (Nobody would have had murder on their bingo card, sure, but there are some predictable problems that most practice owners would be keen to avoid) He is just a terrible human being, and he showed this in all facets of his life.

 

[serifina]

I’m so disturbed by this case y’all… and scared of not a guilty verdict. The ease which CA lied, when a good man was murdered in cold blood over a divorce, about everything… and he did it actually pretty well IMO.

No way. Guilty as hell

 

[Cutie]

Going to quote myself just to connect the link below to that theme of resentment/jealousy, imo

Dan's new partner:
Amy Adler's bio
'Amy Adler, the Emily Kempin Professor of Law at NYU School of Law, is one of the leading scholars of Art Law in the US. She teaches Art Law, First Amendment Law, and Feminist Jurisprudence at NYU...Adler graduated from the Yale Law School, where she was a senior editor of the Yale Law Journal. She graduated summa *advertiser censored* laude from Yale University, where she was elected to Phi Beta Kappa and where she received the Marshall Allison Prize in the arts and letters. Adler clerked for Judge John M. Walker Jr. of the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.'

In addition to her incredible and interesting pedigree, Amy Adler is also *smokin' hot* and exudes natural (not manipulative) sex appeal.

Many of Dan's old friends considered Wendi a bit of an intellectual step down for him, and thought Amy was a far better match.

 

[Cutie]

also - is the oldest brother involved with the family at all really? charlie said donna doesnt like his brother.

Oldest brother (Robert) is, wisely, estranged from all of them after realizing their involvement. If Wendi was truly not involved, she would have done the same. Instead, she let her parents and Charlie have contact with the kids for the past X years while denying the Markel family the chance to have a meaningful relationship with them.

I was hoping we'd hear from "the good brother" Robert during this trial, as I believe his name appeared on a witness list, but it didn't happen.

 

[Seattle1]

Catching up again. I intend on watching the cross examination over the weekend.

It was incredibly revolting, at his trial for murdering Dan, that we hear CA inferring that marrying him was the worst mistake of WA's life.

Also, Charlie was not an oral surgeon. (' who are the police going to believe, and oral surgeon or a gangster" tape) Oral surgeons are better educated, earn much more, do life changing work, (I am a general practice dentist, and I believe I do life changing work, but general dentists, and periodontists, treat oral cancers for instance, and oral surgeons do), and might be considered, within the industry, as "sexier", higher up the pecking order than periodontists. It's fascinating to me that he is BS bragging to KM, when 1. She would know he was being untruthful, and 2. The power differential between them was already marked. He had established he was the rich, powerful professional already. (For all the good it has done for him, really-sucker!) His ego must be very fragile!

Hear, hear! Let's not let CA get away with this misrepresentation, deeming himself an "oral surgeon." I had my first dental implant recently after I experienced a vertical root fracture (20 yr old root canal) and can't imagine this unprofessional, 'mobile periodontist,' extracting my wisdom teeth or performing my bone graft! Can't even allow my mind go to the notion of general anesthesia under CA.

 

[Mariposa]

Throughout these trials, I've decided... June is a dolt, Luis is intelligent and all the rest fall somewhere in-between. The A clan appears to be the clear winners when it comes to plotting and manipulation of evil.

jmo

It’s crazy that LR left one of the best impressions of all the witnesses but I totally agree.

 

[Mariposa]

When I saw WA testifying that she drove close by and saw the tape up and the police, I wondered why, as a mother, she didn't call the children's school or daycare just to make sure they were safe or why she didn't call her ex-husband just to make sure everything was okay.

I thought that she testified that Dan dropped the kids off at daycare that day and she was supposed to pick them up. My first reaction when seeing crime scene tape on my ex-husband's street would be to check to make sure everything was okay with my kids.

IMO, WA didn't do that because she knew exactly what had happened and why the road was blocked off.

JMO.

I think it’s weird WA didn’t call DM a after seeing the obstruction on Trescott too. Not necessarily bc worried about the kids (I accept she knew they had gone to daycare that day because she had a phone message from DM right after 9am when he said he was going into the gym and would be done at 1030 ). But because she was trying to get in touch with him anyway to have their discussion about registering a child for school. She says in the police interview she called DM at about 11:40 to have that conversation and says she was surprised he didn’t answer. So then less than an hour later she sees that road blocked but never calls him again.

ETA: and whether she said she took that route to deal with sadness over her divorce, or because it was a natural shortcut to ABC liquors (she has given both as explanations for her route), she had no reason to think DM wasn’t home. Wouldn’t he be weirded out of he happened to see her cruising past his house?

 

[Weki]

Oral examinations were a big part of dental school. The trick to these was to prepare really hard, (more than rote memory, you had to understand the information, and be able to apply it clinically), and STAY CALM, even if you couldn't answer the question really well.

There are persistent stories that Charlie had a rocky time in dental school.

I want you all to really understand that he would not have been well liked, or respected, within the dental community. That he was working at 30-35 practices speaks volumes. As does him dating KM, whom he met at one of those dental practices. A visiting specialist using your practice as a dating agency, with all the potential problems that may cause? (Nobody would have had murder on their bingo card, sure, but there are some predictable problems that most practice owners would be keen to avoid) He is just a terrible human being, and he showed this in all facets of his life.

Really appreciate your perspective. I always thought a periodontist was mainly a gum specialist. They’re glorified dental hygienists cause they also do the special gum cleaning. A general dentist will sometimes refer you to a periodontist if you have gum disease, but you see the periodontist in addition to your general dentistry appts. That’s why he’s able to be a traveling periodontist. I would imagine most general dentists are not set up for oral surgery. He acts like he’s going around doing surgery! He’s probably referring to implants as “surgery.”

It also sounds like he went to some 5th rate dental school. It just makes absolutely no sense why he wouldn’t join his father’s “institute” and start to build up his own practice there. I seriously doubt he’s ever been a diligent student or a true professional. This guy has been a phony his whole life. JMO

 

[HanniBJeter]

Imagine Luis Rivera with an education.
And don’t forget, Katie had a college degree, too. Says a lot about those college degrees they’re giving out there in Florida. lol j/k, I love Florida.

 

[HanniBJeter]

How is that Charlie can still be called Dr. Adelson?

 

[Mariposa]

It still shocks me that Wendi spoke to the police for so long and said so many things, including pointing them to Charlie. She wasn’t obligated to stay there. And the things she said have come back to haunt her on the stand. Did she think, perhaps, that the police would think that no guilty person would say those things? MOO. Why make things so hard? Why not just NOT say those things in the first place? She volunteered a lot of stuff without being asked. It’s very strange to me. When they asked if she knew anyone who could have done this, she could have said “no.” She could have not mentioned she was driving on Trescott. I assume it was some kind of deflection tactic, but why?

The police interview is one of the weirdest things from a “did she know? what did she know?” point of view.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Imagine Luis Rivera with an education.
And don’t forget, Katie had a college degree, too. Says a lot about those college degrees they’re giving out there in Florida. lol j/k, I love Florida.

Lol watch it…FSU GRAD here and I also attended UF. Both were great schools. UF WAS HARD!

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Another couple questions I wish Georgia pursued..

"On the first day you learned that your mom was approached on the street and handed some paperwork. And she told you "This TV is going to cost about 5". And that it "involved the two of us" - meaning you and your mom. You asked her if someone was blackmailing her. You didnt say extorting. You said blackmailing. How did you know that "this TV is going to cost 5" meant someone was blackmailing her about the murder of Dan Markel?"

"And then you told her not to talk about it on the phone or in her apartment. And you've told this jury that the reason you never talked about it on texts or on the phone was because you were scared. But you also told this jury that you told your mom about you being extorted. In fact, according to you - she was the only other person in the world who knew about you being a victim of this nonsensical extortion plot. And on the FIRST day - you are advising your mom not to talk on the phone or in her apartment. Did you think that Katie and Sigfredo had bugged your mom's apartment? Is that what you are asking the jury to believe?

 

[Gypsy Road]

I’m so disturbed by this case y’all… and scared of not a guilty verdict. The ease which CA lied, when a good man was murdered in cold blood over a divorce, about everything… and he did it actually pretty well IMO.

I was a little worried earlier, but I am rewatching Georgia’s cross and it’s not as bad as I thought it was first time around watching it. She made a lot of great points, and did get some good zingers in and Charlie squirmed a few times. I think I was expecting her to have more fire, but I had to remind myself that Georgia’s delivery is always this way. I’m hoping that her points had an impression on the jury and they are left with no doubt that Charlie’s story is a bunch of far fetched lies to cover his and his lying family’s butts!

 

[clearskies1]

It still shocks me that Wendi spoke to the police for so long and said so many things, including pointing them to Charlie. She wasn’t obligated to stay there. And the things she said have come back to haunt her on the stand. Did she think, perhaps, that the police would think that no guilty person would say those things? MOO. Why make things so hard? Why not just NOT say those things in the first place? She volunteered a lot of stuff without being asked. It’s very strange to me. When they asked if she knew anyone who could have done this, she could have said “no.” She could have not mentioned she was driving on Trescott. I assume it was some kind of deflection tactic, but why?

I've heard people say they think she offered up the Charlie joke in the interview because she told the joke to Lacasse and wanted to get out ahead of it. Also, if Trescott wasn't an innocent route, maybe she thought the cop saw her on Trescott or that a video camera caught her on Trescott so she wanted to get ahead of that too. If I recall correctly, during the interview she also made a big deal of saying she was relieved that her mother sounded surprised to hear that DM had been shot because that indicated that her parents weren't involved. That was strange -- made it seem like she really did think it was possible that her parents were involved. Maybe she was sent into shock that law enforcement showed up at the restaurant to get her. JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

I think it’s weird WA didn’t call DM a after seeing the obstruction on Trescott too. Not necessarily bc worried about the kids (I accept she knew they had gone to daycare that day because she had a phone message from DM right after 9am when he said he was going into the gym and would be done at 1030 ). But because she was trying to get in touch with him anyway to have their discussion about registering a child for school. She says in the police interview she called DM at about 11:40 to have that conversation and says she was surprised he didn’t answer. So then less than an hour later she sees that road blocked but never calls him again.

ETA: and whether she said she took that route to deal with sadness over her divorce, or because it was a natural shortcut to ABC liquors (she has given both as explanations for her route), she had no reason to think DM wasn’t home. Wouldn’t he be weirded out of he happened to see her cruising past his house?

Seriously, as a mother -- wouldn't the prudent reaction be to attempt to cross the police barrier, telling the officer standing post: let me in -- that's the home of my children! Are they OK, is their dad OK? JMO

 

[Mariposa]

IMO, as a mother -- wouldn't the prudent reaction would be to attempt to cross the police barrier, telling the officer standing post: let me in -- that's the home of my children! Are they OK, is their dad OK?

Maybe she wanted one less person who could testify she was there and what she said/demeanor? I don’t think she was trying to hide it because she had her phone on (allowing later tracing of her movements) and also on the police interview, she almost instantly brings up her route after Isom says there was a shooting at the house.

 

[HanniBJeter]

Lol watch it…FSU GRAD here and I also attended UF. Both were great schools. UF WAS HARD!

truly, I was just kidding. I really really do love Florida and thinking about moving there…but now I’m not so sure after hearing about the Latin Kings

 

[Mariposa]

I've heard people say they think she offered up the Charlie joke in the interview because she told the joke to Lacasse and wanted to get out ahead of it. Also, if Trescott wasn't an innocent route, maybe she thought the cop saw her on Trescott or that a video camera caught her on Trescott so she wanted to get ahead of that too. If I recall correctly, during the interview she also made a big deal of saying she was relieved that her mother sounded surprised to hear that DM had been shot because that indicated that her parents weren't involved. That was strange -- made it seem like she really did think it was possible that her parents were involved. Maybe she was sent into shock that law enforcement showed up at the restaurant to get her. JMO.

You are right the verbalizing relief that her mom sounded surprised!

Also she really quickly jumped to the conclusion the shooting had to have something to do with her. She said more than once that if she hadn’t gotten divorced it wouldn’t have happened. People get shot from road rage from cutting a car off, etc but she never seems to raise that possibility. And she also comments that she got a phone alert on the Trescott home security system the night before the murder but just totally brushes it off as, I didn’t think anything of it and didn’t call anyone about it.

She seems to relish saying that numerous friends who are contacting her phone as she is in the interview room seem to have thought that the incident being reported on Trescott had to do with Dan hurting her somehow. It supports the “Dan hurt me” refrain.

Also she brings up Amy Adler’s ex as a potential suspect long before Jeff Lacasses name comes up. It’s actually WA’s friend Jane that brings up Jeff when Jane comes into the interview room.

 

[fred&edna]

It’s crazy that LR left one of the best impressions of all the witnesses but I totally agree.

It really is. Never in my life would I have imagined thinking a gang member would be such a solid, reliable, credible witness until I saw and heard LR on the stand in the first trial.