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GordonX said:
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The Dan Markel Case: Lingering Questions Over Who's Paying Katherine Magbanua's Legal Fees - Above the Law

If everything here is on the up and up, what's the problem with revealing this information?
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The Dan Markel Case: Katherine Magbanua Turns Down A Deal - Above the Law

Who's paying Katie Magbanua's legal fees will remain a mystery, and her trial date has been set.
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So why was Judge Hankinson satisfied re: who paid Katies defense?
 
Maybe DeCoste got a super discounted rental rate from Markus to sub-let office space in Penthouse One which Charlie paid for through Markus in exchange for most (~90%) of Katie's legal fees? That's one way to hide it. And Katie's family paying ~10% for show. That would be one way to fool the court and Hankinson.
 
GordonX said:
Maybe DeCoste got a super discounted rental rate from Markus to sub-let office space in Penthouse One which Charlie paid for through Markus in exchange for most (~90%) of Katie's legal fees? That's one way to hide it. And Katie's family paying ~10% for show. That would be one way to fool the court and Hankinson.
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It could be as simple as Katie needed a lawyer and Markus suggested these people down the hall.
 


Why star 67 your number if you are innocent? Donna says “OK’..not “let’s call the cops…maybe they are getting closer to finding Dans killer”….because we are being extorted….
Yes because they feared the extorters….

Interesting is the whole rant about how much better it is to pay a patient off then have to go to the board and perhaps lose your license over a lawsuit.
Pretty telling. Almost like a confession?
 
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Knitpicker said:


Why star 67 your number if you are innocent? Donna says “OK’..not “let’s call the cops…maybe they are getting closer to finding Dans killer”….because we are being extorted….
Yes because they feared the extorters….

Interesting is the whole rant about how much better it is to pay a patient off then have to go to the board and perhaps lose your license over a lawsuit.
Pretty telling. Almost like a confession?
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Definitely

Charlie presents to his mom the risks of going to the cops ( The Board) vs paying the blackmailer
Donna is so in tune with their covert comms style that she appreciates the risks immediately ( What if it's not a one-time payment?)
Charlie says ' but they're not bugging Wendi' ( approaching Wendi as the obvious suspect. That worries him because he knows it signifies the blackmailer has information beyond the obvious)

It's so slick.

Anyway, I guess this is another call which won't be used at Donna's trial.
 
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So - can I have someone tell if ?? Jury selection starts on 9/17 or 9/20....

TIA - and very much appreciated!! :)
 
cottonweaver said:
Definitely

Charlie presents to his mom the risks of going to the cops ( The Board) vs paying the blackmailer
Donna is so in tune with their covert comms style that she appreciates the risks immediately ( What if it's not a one-time payment?)
Charlie says ' but they're not bugging Wendi' ( approaching Wendi as the obvious suspect. That worries him because he knows it signifies the blackmailer has information beyond the obvious)

It's so slick.

Anyway, I guess this is another call which won't be used at Donna's trial.
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Yes, the state said they were not using any calls with Charlie in it. But was that After his arrest?
They probably have enough on Donna then. I’d think. Donna, the mother of all mothers, is not correcting her son, or making any suggestions, I’d guess she is playing online scrabble while she talks to him…I’m guilty of that myself while listening to YT videos lol. The video is more incriminating for Charlie, anyway.

You actually did a better job of dissecting the audio then I did.
 
“I think it's the worst legal advice that maybe any lawyer ever provided to a client. I'm not going to hold back here at all I mean I guess that's kind of where I'm at tonight. I can't imagine a grosser disservice that a lawyer has ever done to a client than the lawyers that did anything to steer Katie Magbanua away from you know basically - the truth absolutely would have set her free so you know I absolutely 100% hold the attorneys accountable in that regard or any attorney you know maybe one or the other was in one camp. It seemed to me and you know I got the distinct impression from that closing argument that that attorney would have done everything she could to basically push the trial forward push it forward as opposed to you know maybe sitting down and having a conversation that needed to be had with Katie which I mean you know I think the truth you know is the proof’s in the pudding we're sitting here now and Katie's going to be in prison for the rest of her life whereas my understanding is she had pretty much just you know just tell the truth and um you know we'll let you go completely so yeah it was just terrible, terrible legal advice.” - Stephen G. Webster - Was Wendi Adelson Getting Preferential Treatment ? And Donna’s Biggest Problem - Surviving The Survivor: #BestGuests in True Crime
 
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Why star 67 your number if you are innocent? Donna says “OK’..not “let’s call the cops…maybe they are getting closer to finding Dans killer”….because we are being extorted….
Yes because they feared the extorters….

Interesting is the whole rant about how much better it is to pay a patient off then have to go to the board and perhaps lose your license over a lawsuit.
Pretty telling. Almost like a confession?
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I’m trying to listen to this call with the idea in mind that he was extorted and/or that he told his mom he was extorted. It’s very interesting, he says “we don’t have information,” but even assuming he was extorted and told some thugs had killed Dan, it seems to me that would mean he DOES have information. It is possible that perhaps he might not have wanted to go to the cops with that information, but saying he doesn’t have any does not make sense to me in light of his claim that he was extorted.

Even if you assume that he is guilty but his mom is not, and she knows only the extortion story, it still seems to me that SHE would have information, and still she doesn’t say anything when he says this.
 
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cottonweaver said:
Definitely

Charlie presents to his mom the risks of going to the cops ( The Board) vs paying the blackmailer
Donna is so in tune with their covert comms style that she appreciates the risks immediately ( What if it's not a one-time payment?)
Charlie says ' but they're not bugging Wendi' ( approaching Wendi as the obvious suspect. That worries him because he knows it signifies the blackmailer has information beyond the obvious)

It's so slick.

Anyway, I guess this is another call which won't be used at Donna's trial.
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Is he saying that he doesn’t want to go to the cops because, as with the board of dentistry (so he says), even if he did nothing wrong they might SAY he did? That is very different, in my opinion, than what he said on the stand, which is that he didn’t want to go to the cops because he was afraid the people who were extorting him would come after him.
 
Knitpicker said:


Why star 67 your number if you are innocent? Donna says “OK’..not “let’s call the cops…maybe they are getting closer to finding Dans killer”….because we are being extorted….
Yes because they feared the extorters….

Interesting is the whole rant about how much better it is to pay a patient off then have to go to the board and perhaps lose your license over a lawsuit.
Pretty telling. Almost like a confession?
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What exactly is he saying that he thinks the cops could accuse him of if he goes to them?

(Also, in my opinion, they wouldn’t have made that dentist pay back the money and take continuing Ed classes if he did nothing wrong, but of course I don’t know what that situation was.)
 
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cottonweaver said:
Definitely

Charlie presents to his mom the risks of going to the cops ( The Board) vs paying the blackmailer
Donna is so in tune with their covert comms style that she appreciates the risks immediately ( What if it's not a one-time payment?)
Charlie says ' but they're not bugging Wendi' ( approaching Wendi as the obvious suspect. That worries him because he knows it signifies the blackmailer has information beyond the obvious)

It's so slick.

Anyway, I guess this is another call which won't be used at Donna's trial.
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I believe they may be able to use this, as with all the bump calls, because it’s Donna on the phone, and she is the Defendant. Her own statements can always be used against her, as I understand it.

I don’t understand why they can’t use the calls between them in jail, but for some reason the defense seems to have argued they couldn’t, and the state didn’t pursue it.

But I believe the defense made a motion to exclude the bump calls and it was denied. I believe they made the same motion in Charlie’s trial, and it was denied as well.
 
amicuscurie said:
What exactly is he saying that he thinks the cops could accuse him of if he goes to them? The cops are not the Board of Dentistry, they wouldn’t be responding to a complaint about him, presumably. The situation as he is describing it, to me, is not at all analogous, and yet he says it is. The only way this works as an analogy, for me, is if he is being accused of something or there is something he did that they could accuse him of.

(Also, in my opinion, they wouldn’t have made that dentist pay back the money and take continuing Ed classes if he did nothing wrong.)
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I didn’t see the connection that Cottonwever did, until I read their comment. I think Charlie is just using an example of beating the system and doing things “under the table”.
He pays malpractice insurance for any claim, yet he would rather pay the patient to remain quiet.
He has talked about these kinds of things in other calls, a sort of boasting of his accomplishments , and how he seems to get away with breaking the law.
Maybe it gives him a thrill and a high.
So he diverts the attention away from reality to go back into his fantasy world of grandiosity.
I’m going to have another listen. Donna stays quiet so he always has an attentive audience with her. He shines with her, she never gives him a hard time or disagrees with him. His momma is proud of her boy..
Life for Charlie is like a game of cat and Mouse.
I’m wondering how he’s doing without having any “thrills” in his life.
 
Knitpicker said:
I didn’t see the connection that Cottonwever did, until I read their comment. I think Charlie is just using an example of beating the system and doing things “under the table”.
He pays malpractice insurance for any claim, yet he would rather pay the patient to remain quiet.
He has talked about these kinds of things in other calls, a sort of boasting of his accomplishments , and how he seems to get away with breaking the law.
Maybe it gives him a thrill and a high.
So he diverts the attention away from reality to go back into his fantasy world of grandiosity.
I’m going to have another listen. Donna stays quiet so he always has an attentive audience with her. He shines with her, she never gives him a hard time or disagrees with him. His momma is proud of her boy..
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Charlie seems to me to be saying the dentist should never have gone to the Board, and so he shouldn’t go to the cops. In my experience, dentists don’t “go to” the Board of Dentistry about a patient, I believe it’s the other way around. And yet, in this call, Charlie appears to be saying the situations are exactly the same, him going to the cops, or him “going to” the Board of Dentistry.
 
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