Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #10

[ttjo]

Makes full sense that he removed her from the trunk and hid her as best/fast as he could, because of the unplanned flat. Makes total sense he went back to hide her better. But then didn't.

Too dark, couldn't find her? Too macabre? Couldn't stomach it? Rigor made it so he couldn't lift her? Heat accelerated decomp?

Something stopped him.

JMO

yes, too dark, and too late, when lights drive by they will notice him or the car at 4 am, too macabre, accelerated decomposition in that heat !!! maybe he was worried someone followed him ? ( cops)
Going there was a very risky move, most people would be too paranoid,( its not like hes a sophisticated killer) but something took him there and something stopped him,
I wonder if that Lincoln, can tell how long you drove on that flat before you stopped.
It was a very convenient location, everywhere else was literally ditch and a fence.
I dont now much about cadaver dogs, how important it is (or not) about the scent on the wheel of the nissan and nothing on the Lincoln, but for a second I wondered if he was going to try and make it look like she was hit by a car because blunt force was mentioned also, but not confirmed, but its the back rear tire so... not likely.

 

[Gemmie]

Who knows. people have suggested he had to move her to get to the spare, so maybe he put her there temporarily,

He put her in the trunk at 9:40am. His flat was later.

Pg 36: Detective Jones observed that at approximately 0940 hours, the target vehicle (Silver/Gray "Lincoln" MKZ, FL Tag: IYLL82) turned onto the above business property from Emissary Ave, then proceeded to their parking garage. While in the parking garage, a male wearing a dark hat, red shirt, and tan pants exited the vehicle and opened the trunk. The male then walked to the front passenger side of the vehicle, opened the door, and proceeded to carry what appeared to be a limp body to the trunk of the vehicle

It is my opinion that he had to remove her body in order to get to the spare tire as you can see from watching the first 3 seconds of this video of how to access the spare in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ:

Replace Flat Tire with Spare Tire: 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6

Free video on how to fix a flat tire in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6. Complete instructions for using the jack kit and spare tire in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6 - fix the flat safely and quickly

www.carcarekiosk.com

 

[photographer4]

Rbbm

Why DIDN'T he move her (or move her far)?

Who wants to touch a body that's been dead awhile? And left outside? Probably bugs started to invade and it probably creeped him out more than the dead body in the air conditioned car....

 

[Gemmie]

Who wants to touch a body that's been dead awhile? And left outside? Probably bugs started to invade and it probably creeped him out more than the dead body in the air conditioned car....

Yeah, because she was just "sleeping" then.

 

[Megnut]

yes, too dark, and too late, when lights drive by they will notice him or the car at 4 am, too macabre, accelerated decomposition in that heat !!! maybe he was worried someone followed him ? ( cops)
Going there was a very risky move, most people would be too paranoid,( its not like hes a sophisticated killer) but something took him there and something stopped him,
I wonder if that Lincoln, can tell how long you drove on that flat before you stopped.
It was a very convenient location, everywhere else was literally ditch and a fence.
I dont now much about cadaver dogs, how important it is (or not) about the scent on the wheel of the nissan and nothing on the Lincoln, but for a second I wondered if he was going to try and make it look like she was hit by a car because blunt force was mentioned also, but not confirmed, but its the back rear tire so... not likely.

Did he remove something from that site? Just thinking about the transfer of cadaverine to the Lincoln.

Are we certain that the dog hit was to the exterior wheel well?

Is it possible it's an interior well? Maybe where the spare sits? Is there something common to his father's car, JS's car, bedding, clothing, donut tires, spare tires, trunk liners, tire changes, tire iron ....where poor M's body becomes the nexus? Something long discarded.

How can anyone supply this unhuman being featured comforts of any kind?????

Root beer barrels. Seriously.

He damaged M's childhood and he's demanding his favorite lozenges from his childhood????

Revolting.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

Did he remove something from that site? Just thinking about the transfer of cadaverine to the Lincoln.

Are we certain that the dog hit was to the exterior wheel well?

Is it possible it's an interior well? Maybe where the spare sits? Is there something common to his father's car, JS's car, bedding, clothing, donut tires, spare tires, trunk liners, tire changes, tire iron ....where poor M's body becomes the nexus? Something long discarded.

How can anyone supply this unhuman being featured comforts of any kind?????

Root beer barrels. Seriously.

He damaged M's childhood and he's demanding his favorite lozenges from his childhood????

Revolting.

JMO

This guy reminds me of a child like MIchael Jackson who was as we all know accused of inappropriate behavior with a (or several?) minors. He had a damn amusement park in his backyard.... why are we surprised over and over that adults so heavily invested in childlike interests (tamagotchi, root beer candy???) are child predators???

Megnut - not directed at you - love your posts and great respect for you as a poster! Just jumping off your post....

 

[Gemmie]

Did he remove something from that site? Just thinking about the transfer of cadaverine to the Lincoln.

Are we certain that the dog hit was to the exterior wheel well?

Yes. Pg 55:

At 2005 hours I conducted a sweep of the first vehicle which was a 2010 silver Lincoln bearing a Florida tag of IYLL82. K9 Archer did not give a final alert to the 2010 silver Lincoln. At 2210 hours I then conducted a sweep of a 2022 Nissan sedan which had a Florida tag attached. Upon conducting the sweep K9 Archer showed a changed in behavior then gave a final alert by the rear passenger wheel well.

Is it possible it's an interior well? Maybe where the spare sits?

Different car. He transported Maddie in dad's Lincoln (no K9 hit), the K9 hit on JS's car. Although your question still stands. Was it an interior well in JS's car for when someone drove to the site in JS's car in the middle of the night? I still don't know if that was SS alone, or SS & JS together.

How can anyone supply this unhuman being featured comforts of any kind?????

Root beer barrels. Seriously.

He damaged M's childhood and he's demanding his favorite lozenges from his childhood????

Revolting.

Yepper.

 

[ttjo]

He put her in the trunk at 9:40am. His flat was later.

Pg 36: Detective Jones observed that at approximately 0940 hours, the target vehicle (Silver/Gray "Lincoln" MKZ, FL Tag: IYLL82) turned onto the above business property from Emissary Ave, then proceeded to their parking garage. While in the parking garage, a male wearing a dark hat, red shirt, and tan pants exited the vehicle and opened the trunk. The male then walked to the front passenger side of the vehicle, opened the door, and proceeded to carry what appeared to be a limp body to the trunk of the vehicle

It is my opinion that he had to remove her body in order to get to the spare tire as you can see from watching the first 3 seconds of this video of how to access the spare in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ:

Replace Flat Tire with Spare Tire: 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6

Free video on how to fix a flat tire in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6. Complete instructions for using the jack kit and spare tire in a 2010 Lincoln MKZ 3.5L V6 - fix the flat safely and quickly

www.carcarekiosk.com

yes but he moved her out of the car to the burial site to get at the spare in the trunk (presumably)
Im thinking he was on his way to a body of water, got the flat, waited till he found a good place to pull over that wasnt just a fenced in ditch, maybe he knew he had to take her out.and looked for a turn in place. . Did he run out of time to take her somewhere else? because Jen was expecting him , not that he'd care about that ( being late) but more to avoid any questioning/suspicion.

Factoring in the whole time he was gone - with how long it takes to drive there and back. seems like he was there about 30 min.
Maybe he did drag her back too the Nissan ,leaned her against the wheel well. opened the trunk and maybe even tried to get her in the trunk. I can see him backing up that way and the rear wheel facing the burial site.
was she in the fetal position? or was she more stretched out. she may have not fit if she was stretched out? I didnt see any crime scene photos so I dont know what position she was in.
did he also go out the next night?

 

[Gemmie]

yes but he moved her out of the car to the burial site to get at the spare in the trunk (presumably)
Im thinking he was on his way to a body of water, got the flat, waited till he found a good place to pull over that wasnt just a fenced in ditch, maybe he took her out to get at the spare. Did he run out of time to take her somewhere else? because Jen was expecting him , not that he'd care about that ( being late) but more to avoid any questioning/suspicion.

Factoring in the whole time he was gone - with how long it takes to drive there and back. seems like he was there about 30 min.
Maybe he did drag her back too the Nissan ,leaned her against the wheel well. opened the trunk and maybe even tried to get her in the trunk. I can see him backing up that way and the rear wheel facing the burial site.
was she in the fetal position? or was she more stretched out. she may have not fit if she was stretched out? I didnt see any crime scene photos so I dont know what position she was in.
did he also go out the next night?

I see where we're talking past each other. You said "people have suggested he had to move her to get to the spare, so maybe he put her there temporarily"

Your "there" is ambiguous so I thought you were talking about moving her "there" meant leaning her against JS's Nissan's wheel well since I thought we were talking about the hit the K9 did with JS's Nissan's wheel well. Sounds like your "there" was to the treeline? Just trying to understand your point!

 

[ttjo]

I see where we're talking past each other. You said "people have suggested he had to move her to get to the spare, so maybe he put her there temporarily"

Your "there" is ambiguous so I thought you were talking about moving her "there" meant leaning her against JS's Nissan's wheel well since I thought we were talking about the hit the K9 did with JS's Nissan's wheel well. Sounds like your "there" was to the treeline? Just trying to understand your point!

yes sorry, I meant to the tree line, because he didnt need to get to the spare until he got flat tire. I'll try to be more specific.

 

[ttjo]

yes sorry, I meant to the tree line, because he didnt need to get to the spare until he got flat tire. I'll try to be more specific.

I guess it can be confusing b/c we are talking about him being at that recovery site twice. once in the Lincoln when he got the flat and needed to get to the spare tire and then later in the Nissan and who knows what he was doing that time.

 

[wcsleuth]

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Factoring in the whole time he was gone - with how long it takes to drive there and back. seems like he was there about 30 min.

Was watching a GHI yt video breaking down SS' timeline in the early morning hours on the 27th, and he seems to think SS was only at the crime scene for 12 minutes based on the video timestamps the white Nissan was captured traveling. The Nissan was captured at 2030 Old Hickory Tree Road at 3:35 am. From there to the crime scene is about 11 minutes, putting the Nissan there at 3:46 am, according to GH. The Nissan is captured on camera leaving the same area at 4:09 am, which means it must've left the crime scene around 3:58 am. So you're talking 12 minutes or so at the crime scene before heading back. I tend to think this timeline makes sense. Bottom line - Not much time spent at the crime scene (if that's where the Nissan went)

 

[ttjo]

Was watching a GHI yt video breaking down SS' timeline in the early morning hours on the 27th, and he seems to think SS was only at the crime scene for 12 minutes based on the video timestamps the white Nissan was captured traveling. The Nissan was captured at 2030 Old Hickory Tree Road at 3:35 am. From there to the crime scene is about 11 minutes, putting the Nissan there at 3:46 am, according to GH. The Nissan is captured on camera leaving the same area at 4:09 am, which means it must've left the crime scene around 3:58 am. So you're talking 12 minutes or so at the crime scene before heading back. I tend to think this timeline makes sense. Bottom line - Not much time spent at the crime scene (if that's where the Nissan went)
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yes I saw that, this is better, I knew Gray would break It down. This timeline gives you a better idea of what SS would have had time for.
I think I went by the time he left the hotel and the time he got back - travel time, Gray is going by actual video footage from the new info that came out. This is more accurate. In that space between 3:35 and 4:09 gray would put it on a map and estimate travel time to exact location. etc. he was seen on a camera at 3:35 + 11 min to where her body was =3:46 seen on camera again at 4:09-11min=3:58 so 3:46- 3:58 = 12 min at the crime scene.

 

[Mack the Knife]

I made a public records request for the documents from the state attorney and received them. I could share them so people can view them freely instead of screenshots from YouTube videos, but obviously that would be an upload directly from me and not a link to an outside approved source.

Since I was able to get them through the state attorneys office, anyone else should be able to get them too, I just figure it’s easiest if they can be shared and open.

Does anyone know the Websleuths rules on something like that? I’ve been trying to get in contact with mods to get approval, but have not heard back and am not sure if that means I’m not going to hear back, or if I haven’t waited long enough.

 

[MIG214222]

I made a public records request for the documents from the state attorney and received them. I could share them so people can view them freely instead of screenshots from YouTube videos, but obviously that would be an upload directly from me and not a link to an outside approved source.

Since I was able to get them through the state attorneys office, anyone else should be able to get them too, I just figure it’s easiest if they can be shared and open.

Does anyone know the Websleuths rules on something like that? I’ve been trying to get in contact with mods to get approval, but have not heard back and am not sure if that means I’m not going to hear back, or if I haven’t waited long enough.

Hello @Mack the Knife,
Your post prompted me to go on a mission to find the very clever & helpful vegemite who uploaded a mass of docs to scribd - I was going to suggest that may be a possibility - LOL, only to find out - you was & is that very clever & helpful vegemite, along with @Insightful1 & @PayrollNerd - you guys really are the document A team.

The post I was thinking of - in case anyone wonders: Found Deceased - FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #10.

• Anyway, that was my bright idea @ 02:43, so I'll toddle off to sleep.

Re reaching out to WS - if it's been more than a week you probably won't receive a response, less than a week, wait patiently - they're massively busy wrangling us WS cats - but will reply in due course (imo).
Cheers,
Mig

MOO
spelling - ick.

 

[Gemmie]

Hello @Mack the Knife,
Your post prompted me to go on a mission to find the very clever & helpful vegemite who uploaded a mass of docs to scribd - I was going to suggest that may be a possibility - LOL, only to find out - you was & is that very clever & helpful vegemite, along with @Insightful1 & @PayrollNerd - you guys really are the document A team.
Anyway, that was my bright idea @ 02:43, so I'll toddle off to sleep.
The post I was thinking of - in case anyone wonders: Found Deceased - FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #10.
Cheers,
Mig

MOO
spelling - ick.

Except I don't know if that worked for @Mack the Knife. I went to the post you mentioned, clicked in Mack's link in it, and get:



Unsure if Mack deleted it, or if SCRIBD did.

 

[MIG214222]

Except I don't know if that worked for @Mack the Knife. I went to the post you mentioned, clicked in Mack's link in it, and get:

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Unsure if Mack deleted it, or if SCRIBD did.

Thanks @Gemmie,
I should have checked that first!!
Cheers,
Mig

 

[Mack the Knife]

Except I don't know if that worked for @Mack the Knife. I went to the post you mentioned, clicked in Mack's link in it, and get:

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Unsure if Mack deleted it, or if SCRIBD did.

Oh yes, I accidentally deleted that one yesterday while trying to delete a duplicate upload (I think, I'm not really sure). I updated the media thread about it, but forget not everyone is subscribed to that:

FL - Madeline Soto, 13 Located deceased Media, maps, timeline no discussion

www.websleuths.com

I considered redoing the table of contents I'd made with the correct links, but I didn't want to spam. Here is the url you can use to link directly to specific pages: 'https://www.scribd.com/embeds/750961967/content?start_page=

For that upload, I figured it would be fine with WS mods since it was a reupload of the docs Insightful1 shared, and so in spirit was the same as us taking screenshots of approved sources.

 

[Tealgrove]

I made a public records request for the documents from the state attorney and received them. I could share them so people can view them freely instead of screenshots from YouTube videos, but obviously that would be an upload directly from me and not a link to an outside approved source.

Since I was able to get them through the state attorneys office, anyone else should be able to get them too, I just figure it’s easiest if they can be shared and open.

Does anyone know the Websleuths rules on something like that? I’ve been trying to get in contact with mods to get approval, but have not heard back and am not sure if that means I’m not going to hear back, or if I haven’t waited long enough.

Use the Report button and Report your original post. Mods will see it pretty quickly and hopefully offer up a solution.

 

[Tricia]

I made a public records request for the documents from the state attorney and received them. I could share them so people can view them freely instead of screenshots from YouTube videos, but obviously that would be an upload directly from me and not a link to an outside approved source.

Since I was able to get them through the state attorneys office, anyone else should be able to get them too, I just figure it’s easiest if they can be shared and open.

Does anyone know the Websleuths rules on something like that? I’ve been trying to get in contact with mods to get approval, but have not heard back and am not sure if that means I’m not going to hear back, or if I haven’t waited long enough.

Dear Mack the Knife,
My apologies. I was on a three day drive home and missed your question.
Yes, Go ahead and share them. I appreciate your patience.