Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #11

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Around the 4:33 mark, from an interview with Maira Tagler

Begin interview:
Today's date is February 27th 2024 the time is 2332 hours going to speak with Jennifer Soto. Hey, Jennifer I haven't introduce myself my name is Maira Tagler I'm a detective with the Sheriff's Office.

Later on in the audio, just kidding resonse:
Det MT: What time did the police take her phone?
JS: Oh, just kidding, just kidding yeah they they took it they took it I don't have it anymore.
Do you happen to have the timestamp on that comment? I'd like to listen to what was said before that, but 7+ hrs is way too long to try to find a small snippet. I started before the 4:33 mark as you posted and listened for several minutes after that, and it's some guy interviewing her, no introduction from a Maira.

TIA.
 
Do you happen to have the timestamp on that comment? I'd like to listen to what was said before that, but 7+ hrs is way too long to try to find a small snippet. I started before the 4:33 mark as you posted and listened for several minutes after that, and it's some guy interviewing her, no introduction from a Maira.

TIA.
At 4:35:15.
 
Do you happen to have the timestamp on that comment? I'd like to listen to what was said before that, but 7+ hrs is way too long to try to find a small snippet. I started before the 4:33 mark as you posted and listened for several minutes after that, and it's some guy interviewing her, no introduction from a Maira.

TIA.
The Jennifer interview starts at 4:13:27, if you look at the interview it says 'Jennifer' if you mouse over it at that time. I don't have the exact time stamp, but it is somewhere around the 4:33:00 mark.

ETA: Corrected time stamp found in description of video.
 
At 4:35:15.
Thanks!! I miraculously stumbled upon it while y'all were answering me and typing up what was said before. If I can find a needle in a haystack I think it's a good day to buy a lottery ticket. lol

I wasn't finding it at 4:33 in (4 min, 33 sec) as it was ~4 hrs 34 min, 45 seconds in. It's best to give timestamps in HH:MM:SS as this OP did. :)

4:34:45 –

LE - Did you leave the house at any point with her phone for… after this?
JS - I don’t believe so, no.

LE - OK
JS – I think it’s been home all day today too.

LE - It’s been home all day today?
JS - I’m pretty sure, yeah.

LE - What time did the police take her phone?
JS - Oh. Just kidding, just kidding, yeah. They took, it. They took it. I don’t have it anymore.
 
But if she doesn't attend the trial, I think it would be understandable. Not everyone can handle that. I recall a different case in which the mother requested to not be told by anyone the details of how her children were murdered. Sometimes families leave the courtroom for parts of trials. People can't always handle the load of painful details.

She has not been charged with any crime.
While this may be true in some cases, each state has its own rules to determine whether a witness who is also a victim or the victim’s next of kin, or the guardian of a minor victim can attend the rest of the trial or if they must be sequestered. In Florida this is Statute 90.616 -exclusion of witnesses.
Even as a witness, the victim’s mother in this case will be permitted to attend the rest of the trial. The defense can and likely will motion to have the witness sequestered, and if they can show that the presence of this witness during the trial will prejudice the defendant the judge will rule on the motion after making a decision on the question of prejudice.
 
JS, the queen of waiting....and sleeping... waits over an hour in a car line, Madeline doesnt come out...she leaves.

so she WAITS again by parking her car with a view towards a walkway Madeline might use to walk to her gm's place of business...

and she WAITS again at home while everyone is out searching.

then add in SS's first account of coming back from the vape shop and it was closed ...at 10:15 he came home. he claims JS was SLEEPING IN and she was just waking up. and hung out with her. then he went out again when the vape shop opened and she wanted to take another nap and he ran his errands around noon.

but she claims her appointment was at 10:15am and got home between 11 and 11:30. but when she gave that account, it was the longest pause to back into the times she provided regarding that morning.

he gave this account 2x regarding JS in the home that morning at 10:15am. but the third time, he says to the other detective, 'he thinks she was here when he returned, but she had a blood appt he says, he wants to check, they said they will ask her, but he continues to say, yes she had to be here because she was sleeping in as much as possible. Im sure LE knows....I would just like to hear it! I seem to recall she supposedly had 2 appts that day but cancelled one? does anyone remember that?

its interesting to me to go back to his initial interview and hear his answers. and how additional details kind of emerged between them. him, a VERY EARLY BUSY MORNING AND AFTERNOON (we know why)...JS, I wouldnt be surprised if yet another change is made to her sunday evening story and its yet to be released.


With all of the sleeping, napping, vape shopping, game card shopping, errand running, appointments and carrying on with their days, I cannot find any instance where JS or SS mention he was washing clothes as observed by roomate Angelica on pages 36, 44, 45

https://www.scribd.com/document/761331151/24001809-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder
 
<snipped for focus> … I am very interested in knowing what this is, so if anyone knows, please let me know. (Unless you are thinking of "selective mutism?" But I thought that was that under stress, or in certain places such as at school, someone can't talk at all, or can barely talk?) ETA: And although understandably nervous, she was able to form sentences, etc. IMO.
@ChatteringBirds, maybe this will be helpful: In LD circles difficulty with oral expression is sometimes referred to as a demand language deficit or having word retrieval challenges. For people with learning differences, language retrieval is often exacerbated in stressful situations or during periods of anxiety. I don’t know if you are thinking of symptoms or an actual medical disorder. I am not speaking in a professional capacity but know this from exposure to lots of kids in special education and talking with speech pathologists and special ed teachers. I also understand that some people on the spectrum (of autism) can be non verbal or display very diminished use of oral language.

ADDED: As far as inconsistencies in JS’s fluency, it sounds like she had a variety of psycho-pharm drugs at her disposal as well as a prescription for medical marijuana. If she has been influenced at all by SS’s patterns of self medication, I think we can also consider that unadvised mixing of some of her prescriptions and/or adding pot, and/or over use/abuse could result in all kinds of cognitive side effects. MOO.
 
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Is Jen talking about some trauma, a perpetrator, and being scared around males? Yet, she forced her daughter into unsafe, compromising situations with a man?
Yeah, I focused on that for a while. To me, if she was thinking about her daughter's safety/security/wellbeing/etc.... you'd think she wouldn't have done what she did (sent a barely 13 yo to bed with a grown man (physically, not mentally IMO). But that's MY opinion about that. But, if she was focused on her own issues, and those alone... I can see where poor Maddie wasn't a priority. :(
 
JS did say in one of the interviews that Maddie forgot her phone at home "because she has ADHD". JS also said that she brought the phone with her to the school because she was going to give it to her there. I'm sorry I don't recall in which interview this was stated but it was one with a male cop.
MOO.
ETA: I believe it was somewhere in this video that was posted up thread.
you are correct. that is what JS told the detective. in the doc narrative, she claims she saw Madeline's phone on her bureau (Madeline's bedroom space) and picked it up and took it with her to school.


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Where did she say JUST KIDDING? I missed that.
here's one instance...a couple of others in another interview.
starting at 29:47
 
LE identified 8:30pm 2/25, the time her aunt dropped her off, as the beginning timeframe they looked at via Madeline's phone, with a period up to 4pm on the 26th. but there is no movement on her phone registered until 10:09pm, 9 steps taken. 11:19pm 31 steps, then on the charger at 11:38pm, obviously charged in Room #4. I dont recall if there is any info about her having or not having her phone at the party, but its clear there are no steps as in walking in the home at 8:30pm.
Where do you think the phone was "left behind?" I know there were a few steps on that phone in the morning . Do you think the phone brought down? if not Jenn would have had to go upstairs to see that the phone was left behind.

*** again I respond before reading the entire thread, I see you answered this above.
So she went into maddis room and saw it on the bureau, IDK If I am buying that she went in there , for what? ( maybe she saw it while writing her notes that were left in that room :rolleyes:)
 
No idea the answer to your first question (ETA: why she came across as she did during interviews) but maybe she is so genuinely shocked and horrified by finding out by whom and how her daughter died that she can't really function?



I am very interested in knowing what this is, so if anyone knows, please let me know. (Unless you are thinking of "selective mutism?" But I thought that was that under stress, or in certain places such as at school, someone can't talk at all, or can barely talk?) ETA: And although understandably nervous, she was able to form sentences, etc. IMO.
I dont know if there is any correlation between intelligence and response under stress. ( maybe there is?) but in an emergency ( if thats what were talking about) there's this:
In his 1995 book “Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ,” psychologist Daniel Goleman named this emotional overreaction to stress “amygdala hijack.” The amygdala hijack occurs when your amygdala responds to stress and disables your frontal lobes. That activates the fight-or-flight response and disables rational, reasoned responses. In other words, the amygdala “hijacks” control of your brain and your responses.
 
With all of the sleeping, napping, vape shopping, game card shopping, errand running, appointments and carrying on with their days, I cannot find any instance where JS or SS mention he was washing clothes as observed by roomate Angelica on pages 36, 44, 45

https://www.scribd.com/document/761...-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder
yes, no mention of washing clothes by either of them. Angelica stated the last time she saw SS that day was between 13:30-14:00 and he was washing clothes. but this doc says his car was captured travelling south on Old Hickory Tree Road at 13:16 and it is next spotted at 14:11 travelling west on highway 192 from Old Hickory Tree Road, now with a spare tire. page 54

her time might be off?....perhaps a translation issue? IIRC she primarily speaks Spanish.

 
We have had a request to use Grizzly True Crime's postings of LE interviews in the Madeline Soto case. Yes but only the ones with no commentary. You must link to the video of course to give Grizzly True Grime credit for their videos. This is only for the Soto case.
Thank you,
Tricia
 
Where do you think the phone was "left behind?" I know there were a few steps on that phone in the morning . Do you think the phone brought down? if not Jenn would have had to go upstairs to see that the phone was left behind.

*** again I respond before reading the entire thread, I see you answered this above.
So she went into maddis room and saw it on the bureau, IDK If I am buying that she went in there , for what? ( maybe she saw it while writing her notes that were left in that room :rolleyes:)
gosh SS and JS lie so much..... JS claims she saw it on Madeline's night stand/bureau when she was 'putting things away'. (JS was actually awake and moving around? /s) SS states Madeline left it in 'her room' when she was grabbing her sweatshirt or shoes. of course a lie. unless I missed it, detectives didnt ask SS if Madeline took her phone with her up to room #4. because they do know it was put on a charger somewhere that nite.

it does not appear Madeline had her phone with her at her party because there were no steps coming in the house, but then 9 steps at 10pm and then again later (health app stair climb tracked), then put on the charger. in the morning, it was then removed from the charger and TURNED OFF. but its turned back on at 10:55am (when JS was supposedly not home yet).

page 66-67

 
gosh SS and JS lie so much..... JS claims she saw it on Madeline's night stand/bureau when she was 'putting things away'. (JS was actually awake and moving around? /s) SS states Madeline left it in 'her room' when she was grabbing her sweatshirt or shoes. of course a lie. unless I missed it, detectives didnt ask SS if Madeline took her phone with her up to room #4. because they do know it was put on a charger somewhere that nite.

it does not appear Madeline had her phone with her at her party because there were no steps coming in the house, but then 9 steps at 10pm and then again later (health app stair climb tracked), then put on the charger. in the morning, it was then removed from the charger and TURNED OFF. but its turned back on at 10:55am (when JS was supposedly not home yet).

page 66-67

I would guess (as you said) she took it up with her, she was planning on getting up extra early for their special McDonalds breakfast right? even if that was a lie, she did have to get up for school. Surely she wasnt going to depend on SS who says himself he is not a morning person.
 
Where do you think the phone was "left behind?" I know there were a few steps on that phone in the morning . Do you think the phone brought down? if not Jenn would have had to go upstairs to see that the phone was left behind.

*** again I respond before reading the entire thread, I see you answered this above.
So she went into maddis room and saw it on the bureau, IDK If I am buying that she went in there , for what? ( maybe she saw it while writing her notes that were left in that room :rolleyes:)
the health app showed ascending stairs at the time they were supposedly going up to bed, together. and no movement until the morning. IMO, it was up there in that room charging that nite....by 7ish am its off its charger, steps are recorded, and then it is shut off. IMO, thats when he brought it downstairs. and it was handled again at 10:55am.
 
the health app showed ascending stairs at the time they were supposedly going up to bed, together. and no movement until the morning. IMO, it was up there in that room charging that nite....by 7ish am its off its charger, steps are recorded, and then it is shut off. IMO, thats when he brought it downstairs. and it was handled again at 10:55am.
Allegedly the phone remained at home, when SS did his ominous trip to school, because he "had forgotten" to take it with him. Then he returns to the home and JS and tells her, that he had forgotten his phone and btw he accidentally did a factory reset with it. Was that at 10:55am, when he did that or when he set up the phone with his data?? Sometime SS exits the home again and for a second time "forgets" his phone. JS tries to call him later, but can't reach him. Sometime he calls her (with what phone Idk??) and tells her besides other things about the forgotten phone, which he left for the second time.

I hope, I did understand Red Pill's post well.

Attachment: Thanks to Red Pill!

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you are correct. that is what JS told the detective. in the doc narrative, she claims she saw Madeline's phone on her bureau (Madeline's bedroom space) and picked it up and took it with her to school.


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here's one instance...a couple of others in another interview.
starting at 29:47
I also use “just kidding” as “my bad” or “excuse me, I was mistaken”. I think it’s a generational thing (I’m a millennial for context).
 
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I find it really difficult to believe she was shocked and horrified because after she learned SS had CSAM of him and Maddie on his phone, JS called SS's dad and said he needed a lawyer.

AND she continued to stick by SS.
Unreal that a mom who’s been shown proof of her child being SA by your partner would be concerned about legal representation for the abuser. Sickening.
 
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