Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

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"We took her to School". I don't think Stern's was alone. That was not Madeline in the church parking lot video. "We". MOO
Yes, it wasn't Madeline in the church video, of course. Do you think it was JS?

If that were the case, I think she'd be arrested by now for obstruction, at least.

I think SS saw someone in the church lot and that's why he didn't leave the body nearby as I suspect he wanted to. Just a guess.

jmo
 
Yes, it wasn't Madeline in the church video, of course. Do you think it was JS?

If that were the case, I think she'd be arrested by now for obstruction, at least.

I think SS saw someone in the church lot and that's why he didn't leave the body nearby as I suspect he wanted to. Just a guess.

jmo
I think LE is going after him to start. She has already lied lied lied,but she had immunity, it's a shame they have to play the Devil's game,and give her immunity to get him. They should not have to. Madeline the only Victim deserves way better. She deserves for the truth to be told. It's not coming from Stern's,or Jen MOO.
 
I think LE is going after him to start. She has already lied lied lied,but she had immunity, it's a shame they have to play the Devil's game,and give her immunity to get him. They should not have to. Madeline the only Victim deserves way better. She deserves for the truth to be told. It's not coming from Stern's,or Jen MOO.
I agree Maddie deserves justice. What if LE can't prove who actually killed Maddie? Seems like that would be a bad position for them to be in. Hopefully that is not the case, here...
 
BBM. That unfortunately happens all the time, too.

MOO.
Another thing that stuck out to me. Jen talked about being vigilant about Madeline sleeping over at other people's houses,and her reason for that, yet allowed that thing to 'sleep' with Madeline. It's sickening. I find it very telling that Madeline wanted out when she turned 13. Was reportedly upset at Grandma's,and did not want to go back to the Condo. Then poof she's dead. In the early morning hours. Then there's the pregnancy tests Jen not sure if they both are still there,why is that???? Why would they be there in the first place, if Jen,and Stern's are not active? In the words of Judge Judy. It does not make sense. MOO
 
I agree Maddie deserves justice. What if LE can't prove who actually killed Maddie? Seems like that would be a bad position for them to be in. Hopefully that is not the case, here...
I think LE has enough to prove the murder charge against him. And, he's definitely toast when it comes to SA. I'm confident he will never see a day of freedom again. And, for all we know, he's fine with that. Never has to ask dad for rent money again.

jmo
 
Ya know, now that you bring that up I can totally see it being that way. But then why are people saying JS was a sub? Where was that put out? Does anyone know? I always thought it was from the 896 data dump that I quoted above.
I think I remember JS telling LE in one of her interactions that she had been a substitute teacher. MOO.

The thing that has always struck me as flakey about JS and her work history is that when LE asked her about her employment, she said Disney and prior sub teaching with an intonation (as I recall) like they were substantive periods in a career path. When questioned further it would come out she was like in her first or second week at Disney and still in training. Further, I think the sub teaching was for a couple weeks, too. If I were in a position for a couple weeks, I wouldn’t bother mentioning it. What a joke — that’s not being employed. She wasn’t even there long enough for benefits to kick in. It was probably long enough for only one paycheck. OMO.
 
I think I remember JS telling LE in one of her interactions that she had been a substitute teacher. MOO.

The thing that has always struck me as flakey about JS and her work history is that when LE asked her about her employment, she said Disney and prior sub teaching with an intonation (as I recall) like they were substantive periods in a career path. When questioned further it would come out she was like in her first or second week at Disney and still in training. Further, I think the sub teaching was for a couple weeks, too. If I were in a position for a couple weeks, I wouldn’t bother mentioning it. What a joke — that’s not being employed. She wasn’t even there long enough for benefits to kick in. It was probably long enough for only one paycheck. OMO.
No wonder she didn't open up to any adults at her school. The enemy was at the gate. MOO
 
Yeah, I don't think she is all that smart either.

I think she skates by in life, and she likes SS because he stakes by life too, with the absolute minimal amount of interest or effort. I've never seen a couple so lacking in energy, other than to get vapes and meds. If they didn't have parental support on both sides, I suspect they would have been living on the streets. my opinion only

jmo
exactly, they both aren't the sharpest crayons in the box, both have depression , anxiety, low energy,. Jenn seems to be committed to not triggering a major breakdown and they seem to never go anywhere, they isolate just the 3 of them.
They just do odd things. He came up for a week, so they could have a "great time' she would have been back from the dr's appt and they could have spent time together but instead he drove around killing time.

She wouldnt let him drive her car to take her to school. b/c of insurance but she did after that, to go look for maddi, where did she think he was going to look? Did she think he'd find her walking around somewhere?

when she said she let him use her car to go look for Maddi. that was Monday night. she also said she found out he used it again when she got in and her seat was adjusted? That had to be wed morning, when she called the dad to ask if Stephan was with him? Nope hes not there, maybe he went to the stores to window shop? :rolleyes: Most people would check to see if the car was in the parking lot. so when he returned she didnt ask where he was and only noticed that he used the car b/c the chair was pushed back?
These are the strange things, that make her look suspicious.
and make me wonder why she never questioned him herself about the way he was behaving. is she that complacent? and if she is in that situation, I can imagine she never said a word about anything going on at home.
 
BBM. That unfortunately happens all the time, too.

MOO.
re : I know women choose men over kids all the time, but in the face of a murder?
but in this case they had 1700 photos of him SAing her daughter, and she would soon find out he was charged and go to jail for life. Even then she continued to protect this story, remained in denial. That to me is mind blowing.
 
re : I know women choose men over kids all the time, but in the face of a murder?
but in this case they had 1700 photos of him SAing her daughter, and she would soon find out he was charged and go to jail for life. Even then she continued to protect this story, remained in denia
That to me is mind blowin
LE asking about the pregnancy test,and her answer. I think that may be the catalyst for everything,and why it all happened when it did. Although she may not have been pregnant there is a very high probability that there was a pregnancy scare. Then it was game on. She wanted out when she turned 13. But hey you can't Woody Allen Jen,and yeah that's it. Never mind doing it to Madeline. Jen's Birthday is the worst. Her sleep is so important. I don't think LE asked about the pregnancy for kicks,and giggles. But making sure Stern's got a lawyer is the most important thing for Jen. It's sickening. MOO
 
True, but at that time there was no reason to believe he was a thing as you say, no one knew he was an evil monster.

The mom is a victim until named person of interest, this thread has turned into straight victim bashing. It's sickening.
But don't you think that it is completely wrong to let a grown man, no matter how well you know him, sleep with your daughter or any young female? I have too many friend who were molested by their own father, and no one suspected except the mother in most cases, until the young female finally came forward or someone else did. As a mother, you usually are the person closest to your daughter. I know my mother intuitively would have noted a change in my demeanor or ""aura" very quickly if anyone were molesting me. There was plenty of room in that house, he Absolutely should have not been in the same bed as MS. MOO Katt
 
and when I say this : "He came up for a week, so they could have a "great time' she would have been back from the dr's appt and they could have spent time together but instead he drove around killing time"
we know what he was doing, but she did not. This is what I am saying, dropping madi off and then going to a vape shop, an hour before its scheduled to open on the of chance it was open, and leaving right before it does open and then using the excuse to leave b/c he had to go back to the vape shop???? wtf?
In light of all she is learning, and she is not adding up 2+2 , she doesnt even seem to think about it.
 
I find it interesting when she asked LE about if they have surveillance video of Stern's taking Madeline's body out of the condo,and they don't answer. Also the fact that LE wouldn't show them the church parking lot video.it sounds like phishing to me. She's so worried about those,and getting him a lawyer. Her annoyed sighs at LE questions are infuriating. MOO
yes, ditto......

and then she's so helpful in one of her interviews, for LE to check out cameras at the vape store......and that mindset continued even when she was shown pictures of his body part and told that body part made numerous contact with her daughter, a/k/a SA. she is unable to call it what it is...she's busy ticking away in her mind, press charges or not press charges, or change her mind, etc. :eek:

too many OMG moments revisiting and listening to all of her interviews, starting with 'WE dropped her off'....IMO, she and SS really thought bare bones info about missing Madeline would just be enough: "she didnt make it' (to school). and "I believe she was 'taken'. and SHE still did not want to reconcile the SA as the reason why Madeline is now 'missing', BTW, with the last person Madeline is with who was abusing her for years.

IMO, JS is not dense, she is not obtuse. IMO, she didnt even act surprised when she was told, no, Madeline is not sleeping. and whispers is she dead....but not freaked out!

she recited SS's storyline as her own. right down to watching part of Sister Act which she told LE in the car on the way to Operations. which BTW, that account disappeared from her LE subpoena interview. she was asked if she did anything else besides talk with Madeline about her party, (happy happy) food and money gifts...answer: no.

IMO, she is very skilled at lying and withholding information and probably had a lot of practice to keep SS in her life, the facade, constantly ducking concern and questions from others. IMO, she continued to do it with LE as well. always had a possible storyline. 'maybe I missed her coming out of school, maybe she walked to my mother's business, maybe I forgot to tell her I was picking her up'. all of those thought processes on her part were non-sensical. bare bones, 'she never made it'. and thought it would be enough to keep the heat off of both of them IMO. lie first, refine the storyline, if needed, later. which IMO, she did.
 
My interpretation of her providing information is that she is faking it. The interaction reminds me of when she was happy to provide information about the Puerto Rican dish that Maddie liked to eat - JS is eager to get off the main topic and land on something where she feels comfortable.

Hey, maybe she is trying to be helpful, but to me it looks almost like soothing herself by LOOKING helpful but is actually avoiding being helpful.

I also admit I could be seeing the worst in the situation because I really find her off-putting and hard to understand. imo

jmo
IMO, the eye opener is the ride to Operations...where she thinks she is going to attend the press conference. she's all happy in the car, chatty about SS, him, and Sister Act, her life in new york, her life before child. it was downright disturbing that she wasnt falling apart, namely WHY she is in a police vehicle and where she is going and WHY.... Madeline, her daughter, is MISSING. chatty, upbeat.
 
She's in a fog, she didn't get the right sleep, she has a new job, she needs her meds, she has fuzzy memory, she is scattered, she can't focus, she needs better sleep, she's in a fog, she's forgetful, she has a new job, she was woken up yet not woken up but turned off her alarm while listening to rain videos, in a fog with fuzzy thinking and needs more rest, her whole day is a fog but she had to be first in line for pickup at the school.

Or something like that.

jmo
but keeps her blood appt..drives there. initially, cant remember if SS was home when she got there...."She thinks he was'. but then, oh yeah. he was sitting in my bedroom. he reset his phone by accident and blah blah blah. Again, IMO, JS very adept at giving explanations that everyone would chew and swallow.
 

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