FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #14

[Pias]

what year is michelle's hummer?

2008...

 

[stilettos]

So in order for us to think in the same mind set means that person has to be capable of the same actions? Not sure what you mean.

I was speaking in general and for myself. I never want to think in the same mindset as a violent criminal. It presupposes that I think, therefore I am. I do not want to be a rage filled person who assaults and kills people. I have tried to understand the mentality of a man who beats his wife and kids....that was my Dad and stepDad....was never able to do it. I don't know about others, but I cannot think that way. It makes absolutely no sense to me that people think like this...for the life of me, I will never understand it.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I realize that the twins were not mentioned in your post, and that is why I asked about the twins and where they were etc., etc.

So I am clear, you have the twins in the running pick-up with Michelle tied up in the back of the pick-up and then he drives with the twins in the vehicle while he dumps and/or kills Michelle?

Quite possible. His pickup has a cab cover bed so a body easily could fit in there. If she was dead scent is picked up. Alive and he can explain it away...

 

[Pias]

Do we know if Dale has single or double garage.

see photo:
http://www.reidrentalmanagement.com/Carter Glen.html

Another great find and good question!

 

[Patty G]

Do we know if Dale has single or double garage.

see photo:
http://www.reidrentalmanagement.com/Carter Glen.html

Double garage

 

[katydid23]

"If" LE had a video of DS exiting the complex driving Michelle's hummer - would that be enough to arrest him? Or, would they continue to follow other avenues for clues and build a stronger case?

It seems to me that if they had proof that of him leaving in the vehicle, minus the decals that they would have arrested him right away, but then again, I'm not familiar with the legal aspects of these types of cases.

I think the windows are tinted dark enough that they could not see who was driving. But if the decals were gone, and the exit time was much later than the 10 minutes that he said she left, then I think they know they have their guilty party, but do not have enough to arrest him yet. imoo

 

[Cerebellum]

The height of a Ford F150 is 76.2. Not much difference than an H3. 2 inches. I know our neighbor used to keep their giant Yukon in the garage so I would bet ot would fit but just MO.

ETA: We lived in an almost carbon copy of this development.

 

[telemag]

I was speaking in general and for myself. I never want to think in the same mindset as a violent criminal. It presupposes that I think, therefore I am. I do not want to be a rage filled person who assaults and kills people. I have tried to understand the mentality of a man who beats his wife and kids....that was my Dad and stepDad....was never able to do it. I don't know about others, but I cannot think that way. It makes absolutely no sense to me that people think like this...for the life of me, I will never understand it.

I feel sorry for Steven King's wife and kids.

 

[Cerebellum]

http://www.hummerforums.com/forum/hummer-h3-17/few-pics-my-ride-22554/

This is a Hummer forum. They said an H3 fits in a standard garage.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, and on that note, LE knows exactly where and from what the FB post was made. I just think that the where and what are relevant. Also, I thought his condo was searched on the 17th???

It was not really 'searched.' Not thoroughly. They just did a quick look/see to check if the Hummer was around there and if there was a body or she was tied up in the closet. Just one of those, " May we come in and look around a bit" kind of searches.

 

[stilettos]

I feel sorry for Steven King's wife and kids.

I understand your point. I just do not comprehend how you set aside your intrinsic human decency to think like a killer/beater of women/men. Some may be able to, I cannot. While I am sure that some may be better than others at "putting" themselves in the "mindset" of a killer, I really do not actually believe that they think like a killer.

 

[Pias]

Maybe d knows the vulcan hold :fence::innocent::crazy::seeya::blushing::woohoo:

sorry, just kidding, or am I?

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=387084

Greetings, amberene! Thanks for asking for me. I'm always glad to
expound upon matters related to Star Trek.

If you'll recall, the "Vulcan death grip" was fictitious. It was a
ruse in "The Enterprise Incident" whose purpose was to convince the
Romulan commander that Mr. Spock had killed Captain Kirk. This
resembled the "Corbomite Maneuver," another scary-sounding but
nonexistent threat.

"Spock seemingly defects to the female commander on the scene in
return for retaining command as her mate -- having killed his captain
with the 'Vulcan death grip.' But all is a hoax: the captain returns
from the 'dead' to reveal their covert mission to steal a cloaking
device for Starfleet to dissect."

SciFi.com
http://www.scifi.com/startrek/episodes/59.html

The Vulcan technique which could cause unconsciousness is generally
called the "Vulcan nerve pinch" or "Vulcan neck pinch."

"Many Vulcans are skilled in a self-defense move known as the Vulcan
nerve pinch or neck pinch, which targets a precise location overlying
the baroreceptors of the carotid sinus at the base of the humanoid
neck, instantly rendering the victim unconscious. While practiced
mainly by Vulcans, it is not exclusive to their race; for example,
Data and Jean-Luc Picard have also mastered the technique, the latter
probably acquiring it during his mind-meld with Sarek."

WordIQ: Vulcan (Star Trek)
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Vulcan_(Star_Trek)

Something similar to the "Vulcan neck pinch" is possible in real life:

"Carotid sinus reflex is basis of ?Vulcan neck pinch.? If you
stimulate carotid body in absence of actual increase in BP (by a
Vulcan gripping your neck and squeezing the carotid body) , resulting
decrease in BP from slowed heart will mean less blood to brain and
hence syncope (you will faint) Note this is distinct from certain Judo
neck holds which press on common carotid directly decreasing blood
flow (temporarily) to brain."

Brown University: Brainstem Principles
http://neuroscience.brown.edu/Coursehomepages/bn166/Brainstem.html

"A sleeper hold is a technique in which you apply pressure to the
carotid arteries, which are located on the sides of the neck, to
interrupt the flow of blood to the brain...

Many police departments forbid the use of chokes; martial artists
would be well-advised to do likewise. The sleeper hold is safer and
faster than the choke. It can render a person unconscious in as
little as five to nine seconds, whereas a choke may take from one to
three minutes. Although the sleeper hold is a safer method for
causing unconsciousness, care must be used when practicing these
moves, as well as when using them in an actual confrontation. If the
pressure is held after the person loses consciousness, it could result
in brain damage - or worse."

LWC Books: Judo Chokes and Sleeper Holds
http://www.lwcbooks.com/articles/chokearticle.html

Google search strategy:

Google Web Search: vulcan "death grip" OR "nerve pinch"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=vulcan+%22death+grip%22+OR+%22nerve+pinch

Google Web Search: "sleeper hold" + "carotid"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22sleeper+hold%22+carotid

I hope this helps. Don't try this at home, kids. ;-)

Live long and prosper!

 

[telemag]

I understand your point. I just do not comprehend how you set aside your intrinsic human decency to think like a killer/beater of women/men. Some may be able to, I cannot. While I am sure that some may be better than others at "putting" themselves in the "mindset" of a killer, I really do not actually believe that they think like a killer.

All kidding aside I totally agree. At times I feel for lack of a better word "dirty" for trying to think that way.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

We don't know who was driving the Hummer. LE may know. But I bet you anything that they did not see it leaving 10 minutes later with it's stickers on.
Because if so, they would have asked the public to be on the lookout for her,and given us the information.

And sure, plenty of women have been killed by stalkers. But usually they are dumped in a ditch or left in the car trunk or something like that. It is usually only when the killer is close to the victim, and known by the social circle, that they go to the complicated lengths that this perp went to. Dumping the car one place, and the phone in another place, replying to a text. None of that says 'random abduction' to me.

BBM So do we have a link to where her body is? Do we know it's not in a ditch? Do we knoe MP did not park the vehicle there? Do we know MP absolutely did not send that text herself? Inside source maybe?

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I believe he does.

All I am looking for is, based on your theory, Dale is doing all of this will the twins in the pick-up.

I don't think the twins are that big of an impediment. For example, Michelle drives up and he says, Wait, I need to talk to you a second. Then he escorts the kids up to their room, turns on a cartoon and hands them some cookies and milk, and says, I will be back in a few minutes.

Then he tells Michelle that he needs to check the water hose on the Hummer, or whatever else he makes up, because imo he would know what she would fall for. Then as she pulls into the garage with the Hummer, he blind sides her somehow. Then he puts her in a cabinet he is building, or wraps her in some of that contractor plastic, or ties and gags her, and puts her in the back of the hummer OR in the back of his covered truck.

Then he gets the kids and takes them to his folks house.

 

[iluvmua]

JMO: I'm thinking Michelle went to drop off the twins at Dale's place, he gets upset at Michelle for humiliating him on nation TV, they get into an argument and he looses it and kills her. this is just my theory.

 

[katydid23]

BBM So do we have a link to where her body is? Do we know it's not in a ditch? Do we knoe MP did not park the vehicle there? Do we know MP absolutely did not send that text herself? Inside source maybe?

No inside source. But I have three reasons to believe that she did not drive that Hummer there nor did she send that text.

1. Up until 3:15 pm she had been in constant contact with friends and family. All of that stopped at that time. There was that ONE , one word text, in reply to her brother. But it did not ping in the area that her Hummer was found.

2.But besides that, she did not follow up with her 11 yr old sone who was home alone. The sister said that the 11 yr old was given a cell phone so that he could call Michelle EVERY DAY as he left the school bus to walk home alone.
That call to his mom was always between 3:30 and 3:45pm. She either answered him or called back on every occasion. But NOT on this day.
So, imo, she did not just drive away from Dales and go shopping or go on a work call, because she would have checked in with her son first. And she did not do so that afternoon.

3. Also, Dale told LE that Michelle drove away 10 minutes later. If that were true I believe that LE would have seen her on the exit camera, driving away with the decals on the Hummer. And I think that Dale would be off the list as the top suspect in that case. Since he is still their prime susopect, I don't think the cameras have corroborated his version of the events that afternoon/

 

[duvalst]

bbm



I googled "storm trooper" armor because I wasn't sure WTH it was and got About 344,000 results (0.21 seconds)..........it's all over. You can order the stuff from many places and it's on ebay. But my question is you said you had access to it and you had to be in the 501rst to get it....so are you affiliated with the 501rst? :waitasec:

Not all are 501sr quality and as I mention in an earlier thread my friends husband's and one of the guys who work for me are in the 501st.

Okay, i noticed that someone didn't agree that a costume could have 'contained' m. Well, your probably right! But, if I was trying to keep bodily fluids contained, i, for one, will not toss out that possibility when a guy has to use what he has on hand. If his costumes were completely accounted for then of course it would throw that theory out the window, but the question, for me, still remains. Were all of his costumes and accessories accounted for? Had any costume been rented around Halloween? Was every accessory returned?

Obviously these thoughts are long shots, but bets have been one on long shots too! Laugh if u will, I don't really care. What I DO care about is finding m, cuz I know that even if the courts convicted somebody, I would STILL want to find my daughter.

If you kill out of spur of the moment rage, you also haven't had time to prepare... How clear would you be thinking in trying to devise a plan at that point that you can complete before someone reports it, knowing she's going to be missed by the time she would be going to work if not sooner since she wouldnt have gotten back to her 11 yo?

On a side note about not having contacted the 11 yo- if you, as the perp, bothered to respond to txt question 'where are you?' or 'what are you up to?', why wouldnt you also txt the 11 yo to say you'd be late?' If you were thinking clearly, then clearly I would, if for no other reason but to buy more time! To me this shows the state of a mind in panic who hasnt had time to think it all out.

I have serious doubts to the routine with the 11 year old. I think he was regularly left alone for awhile after school and they don't want to admit that. My daughter would have been in full blown panic and calling everyone at 3:30, if I wasn't home. Her son didn't contact grandma till almost 7.

I was only suggesting 'what do we know about this past halloween which didn't occur so long ago before this disappearance? What I am more interested in is accessories that may have came with them or been bought afterwards to add to them. A stun gun or real working cuffs (m's police outfit) could have come in handy at a time like this...

On top of that, I am only trying to bring up possibilities that others are not to widen our thinking and perhaps triggering other theories as you laugh at this one.

Like I said, I really don't care what anybody think of me, I just care we find m.

I'm not laughing, I'm perplexed at this fascination with costumes. You can buy handcuffs and stun guns independent of dress up.

Maybe d knows the vulcan hold :fence::innocent::crazy::seeya::blushing::woohoo:

sorry, just kidding, or am I?

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=387084

Greetings, amberene! Thanks for asking for me. I'm always glad to
expound upon matters related to Star Trek.

If you'll recall, the "Vulcan death grip" was fictitious. It was a
ruse in "The Enterprise Incident" whose purpose was to convince the
Romulan commander that Mr. Spock had killed Captain Kirk. This
resembled the "Corbomite Maneuver," another scary-sounding but
nonexistent threat.

"Spock seemingly defects to the female commander on the scene in
return for retaining command as her mate -- having killed his captain
with the 'Vulcan death grip.' But all is a hoax: the captain returns
from the 'dead' to reveal their covert mission to steal a cloaking
device for Starfleet to dissect."

SciFi.com
http://www.scifi.com/startrek/episodes/59.html

The Vulcan technique which could cause unconsciousness is generally
called the "Vulcan nerve pinch" or "Vulcan neck pinch."

"Many Vulcans are skilled in a self-defense move known as the Vulcan
nerve pinch or neck pinch, which targets a precise location overlying
the baroreceptors of the carotid sinus at the base of the humanoid
neck, instantly rendering the victim unconscious. While practiced
mainly by Vulcans, it is not exclusive to their race; for example,
Data and Jean-Luc Picard have also mastered the technique, the latter
probably acquiring it during his mind-meld with Sarek."

WordIQ: Vulcan (Star Trek)
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Vulcan_(Star_Trek)

Something similar to the "Vulcan neck pinch" is possible in real life:

"Carotid sinus reflex is basis of ?Vulcan neck pinch.? If you
stimulate carotid body in absence of actual increase in BP (by a
Vulcan gripping your neck and squeezing the carotid body) , resulting
decrease in BP from slowed heart will mean less blood to brain and
hence syncope (you will faint) Note this is distinct from certain Judo
neck holds which press on common carotid directly decreasing blood
flow (temporarily) to brain."

Brown University: Brainstem Principles
http://neuroscience.brown.edu/Coursehomepages/bn166/Brainstem.html

"A sleeper hold is a technique in which you apply pressure to the
carotid arteries, which are located on the sides of the neck, to
interrupt the flow of blood to the brain...

Many police departments forbid the use of chokes; martial artists
would be well-advised to do likewise. The sleeper hold is safer and
faster than the choke. It can render a person unconscious in as
little as five to nine seconds, whereas a choke may take from one to
three minutes. Although the sleeper hold is a safer method for
causing unconsciousness, care must be used when practicing these
moves, as well as when using them in an actual confrontation. If the
pressure is held after the person loses consciousness, it could result
in brain damage - or worse."

LWC Books: Judo Chokes and Sleeper Holds
http://www.lwcbooks.com/articles/chokearticle.html

Google search strategy:

Google Web Search: vulcan "death grip" OR "nerve pinch"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=vulcan+%22death+grip%22+OR+%22nerve+pinch

Google Web Search: "sleeper hold" + "carotid"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22sleeper+hold%22+carotid

I hope this helps. Don't try this at home, kids. ;-)

Live long and prosper!

Star Wars / Star Trek are to separate cosplay universes. While Dale might watch Star Trek its obvious he prefers Star Wars. Plus most Trekkies regard the Vulcan nerve pinch as a joke. It would still involve a struggle. No one is going to willingly be put in a sleeper hold.

Also, don't take this personally, but your posts are really kinda creeping me out anic:

 

[duvalst]

I don't think the twins are that big of an impediment. For example, Michelle drives up and he says, Wait, I need to talk to you a second. Then he escorts the kids up to their room, turns on a cartoon and hands them some cookies and milk, and says, I will be back in a few minutes.

Then he tells Michelle that he needs to check the water hose on the Hummer, or whatever else he makes up, because imo he would know what she would fall for. Then as she pulls into the garage with the Hummer, he blind sides her somehow. Then he puts her in a cabinet he is building, or wraps her in some of that contractor plastic, or ties and gags her, and puts her in the back of the hummer OR in the back of his covered truck.

Then he gets the kids and takes them to his folks house.

oh I don't see that happening just based on one 3 yr old but 2? They are not going to sit there nicely. They are going to spill milk and crush cookies while running around like their hairs on fire. They may not even stay in the room unless you have it locked or child proof.

 

[Darcyline]

If I put the correct cartoon on the young kids I know will stare at it like they are hypnotized and I could kill about 5 people in the next room without them knowing. I guess it depends on the kids though and we would have to know these kids personally to know whether a cartoon/food/naps would work. The kids I know also nap around this time and once they are down they are DOWN. I have literally checked to see if they are still breathing before because I have dropped pots, pans, accidentally had music blast, etc without them cracking an eye.