GUILTY FL - Shannon Dedrick, 7 mo., Chipley, 31 Oct 2009 #5

[burbqueen]

In defense of Logical Minds I think she was just expressing her opinion. She is blunt and to the point. Which some people may not appreciate, but i do. So it's all good.

I for one feel that reproduction is not a right. I feel that the only way anyone male or female should reproduce is cause they stable and capable or being a parent. If you cannot then your parental rights should be taken away and just cause you physically gave birth or produced a child doesnt really mean much. Not all birth parents are real parents.

If you are so physically or mentally handicapped and you cannot take care of your kid then bye bye kid. No child should suffer due to parental selfishness. I know there are people who want a child or they find themselves pregnant, but a parent maybe well meaning but if you cant fulfill your parental obligation than give the child to someone who can.

Logical Minds is right. There are so many mentally ill people in jail. So should they all be excused? If you are mentally ill, get some help. Get on meds. Commit yourself, if it's that severe, but dont harm other people.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am so sorry to hear that Shannons Amma will not be posting here anymore. I really looked forward to her updates.

I will continue to pray for Shannons Amma, Shannon, and Tina.

I do not feel Tina should ever get custody of Shannon again, but I do hope her grandma does. That family loves her no matter what Tina did or did not do IMO.


Anyway, continued love and prayers to Shannon and her grandma.

 

[dnrslucky1]

I am so sorry to hear that Shannons Amma will not be posting here anymore. I really looked forward to her updates.

I will continue to pray for Shannons Amma, Shannon, and Tina.

I do not feel Tina should ever get custody of Shannon again, but I do hope her grandma does. That family loves her no matter what Tina did or did not do IMO.


Anyway, continued love and prayers to Shannon and her grandma.

I will miss her updates also! Its a shame she was treated so terribly on this forum!

 

[LogicalMinds]

I will miss her updates also! Its a shame she was treated so terribly on this forum!

We can get ACCURATE UPDATES from the media

 

[LogicalMinds]

I am so sorry to hear that Shannons Amma will not be posting here anymore. I really looked forward to her updates.

I will continue to pray for Shannons Amma, Shannon, and Tina.

I do not feel Tina should ever get custody of Shannon again, but I do hope her grandma does. That family loves her no matter what Tina did or did not do IMO.


Anyway, continued love and prayers to Shannon and her grandma.

how would you propose to keep Shannon safe from Tina and whatever/whoever might next "influence" Tina? Tina doesn't seem to be a "fit" parent to me. I also don't feel she should just skate on the criminal charges

What makes Tina so different from anyone arrested for shoplifting or bad checks ?? Many people with bi-polar do get into financial /legal problems...and their bi-polar is NOT a "mitigating" circumstance

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My answers in red Bold.

how would you propose to keep Shannon safe from Tina and whatever/whoever might next "influence" Tina? Tina doesn't seem to be a "fit" parent to me. I've said before, I don't think Tina should ever have custody!!!! But, if her grandma's house has already been approved, I think she should get her and be monitered.

I also don't feel she should just skate on the criminal charges I agree with the no skateing thing, but IMO this has to go thru due process. She will be evalutated by drs from both sides. Anyway, you know how that works. I hope the system works for justice. If that means Tina does some time, so be it.

What makes Tina so different from anyone arrested for shoplifting or bad checks ?? Many people with bi-polar do get into financial /legal problems...and their bi-polar is NOT a "mitigating" circumstance

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time I agree, I never said she shouldn't IMO. My concern is for Shannon and IMO she needs to be with family. IMO Shannons Amma did the best she could do and many doors were slammed in her face. Shannon was failed by many, but IMO her grandma wasn't one of them. I hope she can love her and take care of her forever.

 

[LogicalMinds]

Kimberley....I appreciate your response..

the thing is that some (including shannon's amma) seem to want NO prison for Tina, want shannon to go to the gma....and want Tina to somehow live with them also?

so with both of them ....how can she keep Shannon safe from Tina? who can trust Tina's "judgment" to baby sit her own child??

Tina's past history shows that she could be easily influenced to say the least....why should we think anything will really change??

In the Neveah case, the gma had legal custody but was allowing her daughter to live there too, she brought around variouis "bad" guys (bad decisions) and most likely that led to Neveah kidnapped and murdered

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok my daughter stole the laptop so I'm posting from my phone. Not easy. Lol

I don't think Tina would be babysitting. Also, you brought up the Nevaeh case again and I just don't see how you can judge every grandma on what Nevaeh's grandma did. IMO
I think Shannons Amma is aware that Tina is not fit to care for Shannon. IIRC she tried to tell several agencies in Florida that before any of this happened and she was told if Tina could brush her teeth she could care for her baby ( or something like that).

I just don't see this grandma trusting Tina with Shannon.

 

[LogicalMinds]

Ok my daughter stole the laptop so I'm posting from my phone. Not easy. Lol

I don't think Tina would be babysitting. Also, you brought up the Nevaeh case again and I just don't see how you can judge every grandma on what Nevaeh's grandma did. IMO
I think Shannons Amma is aware that Tina is not fit to care for Shannon. IIRC she tried to tell several agencies in Florida that before any of this happened and she was told if Tina could brush her teeth she could care for her baby ( or something like that).

I just don't see this grandma trusting Tina with Shannon.

Actually....my posts have been more about Tina...the grandmother seems to "support" her daughter (her right) and wants "help" for her, and others here have said they hope that "gma gets Shannon and Tina"......that sounds dangerous to me


can't have it both ways....wants Tina to do no prison time....get "help"...get released to her care...and also have Shannon

I said in my first post on this thread...where was the loving family while Tina was in a roach infested trailer with Shannon for 7 months, didn't even have a phone?

People jumped on me and said that the gma "had a business, a family, a husband in Texas"...could not support them or just drop everything to come take care of Tina and Shannon (tho to her credit she did call DFC...which in Florida we know doesn't seem to do much)

I have no idea of the family finances..but who will care for Shannon if the gma is working her business?? In time Tina would be there....and if she falls back into her old ways who knows what might happen? Or if she really is as immature as we are told, as mentally ill...then what??

I have not heard any proposal that would eliminate Tina from the equation

oh yeah...she won't "have custody" but she will be living right there
AND I THINK SHE SHOULD NOT BE AROUND THAT CHILD PERIOD

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't see why a working grandma couldn't find childcare just like millions of working moms do.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think after what Shannon has been thru her grandma would leave Tina to take care of Shannon while she ran her business. I just don't see that happening.

But I do see her as Tinas mom and wanting to care of her too. I see your point that Tina may be around Shannon a little too much. But, I don't think grandma will forget what happened to Shannon on Tinas watch any time soon. And if keeping Shannon safe means never leaving her alone with Tina (I totally agree with that) I think grandma will see to that. Jmo

 

[LogicalMinds]

I don't think after what Shannon has been thru her grandma would leave Tina to take care of Shannon while she ran her business. I just don't see that happening.

But I do see her as Tinas mom and wanting to care of her too. I see your point that Tina may be around Shannon a little too much. But, I don't think grandma will forget what happened to Shannon on Tinas watch any time soon. And if keeping Shannon safe means never leaving her alone with Tina (I totally agree with that) I think grandma will see to that. Jmo

besides...my interest in this has a lot to do with the Florida DCF,....I sincerely want to know why Tina was allowed to keep Shannon in that messy trailer, with NO phone....?? IF she is as mentally frail as we hear she is (she sounded ok on the phone call, not mentally disabled really, just cold and calm and almost "falsely polite"..with her incessant "yes mam" stuff)

I am interested in the fact that in so many of these tragedies involving kids the DCF (or whatever the state calls them) has already been there, "knows" them,,,or there are such obvious signs

look at little Marc in NY...Shaynia in NC....Sarah's mixed up family in MD...little Haileigh and 17 year old live in her dad had there...
and Shannon in Florida

all so many bad decisions

I don't understand the sugar coating some people want to give this "case" here...to me Tina is a criminal who endangered her child period.
She abused the 911 and LE....she endangered searchers and dogs..
she endangered her child every minute that she was out there with that monster Susan Baker

I don't "get it" that so many here are so willing to make excuses for her


I think Shannon is well rid of her, I think that poor baby needs extra help...and I don't think that Tina is about to change... why do we think that Tina will suddenly take her meds, stay away from bad choices in men, stop smoking pot, etc??

 

[tezi]

Speaking from experience about a situation in my own family, I KNOW that all grandparents are NOT like Neveah's. I am not going to go into detail about my family's situation, but suffice to say, my MIL did the RIGHT thing when it came to her youngest grandchild. She did NOT let the non-custodial mother take her at any time, she did NOT allow the non-custodial mother to bring unsavory people around her grandchild, and she most certainly did NOT let any RSO's around her grandchild.

I don't know what we should expect Tina's mom to do. She's in a no-win situation. We seem to expect her to choose who is more important to her, her child or her grandchild, and that's not fair. She warned children's services in Florida about Tina not being able to take care of a child. The poor woman is in Texas, it's not like she's in the next town over. It's not like she could monitor the situation up close and personal. She did the best she could given the circumstances.

I don't know what's best for Shannon, except that she be placed in an environment that is best suited to her needs and where she will get the best possible care and all the love she so deserves. Whether that is with her grandmother or someone else, I can't say. I do agree that Tina should never have custody of her again.

I am a grandmother to two wonderful little girls, one is two and a half and the other three months. I do know that I place their care and well-being above anyone else's in my family, because that is what they deserve. And if for one second, I thought my daughter wasn't taking care of them properly, I would be filing for custody. I basically raised the first granddaughter from birth until she was almost two, because I felt my daughter wasn't taking proper care of her. My daughter has come a long way, grown up a lot, and takes great care of both girls now. She just needed to grow up, and grow up a lot. Of course, my daughter doesn't have any mental illnesses, or any thing else that would have prevented her from being a proper parent.


JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers....

 

[LogicalMinds]

We are supposed to "forgive" Tina and boo hoo for her cause she has a mental problems and is "immature" or whatever..well I say "so what?" Many people in prison have mental and emotitonal problems...and they are in prison

I didn't lump ALL grandparents in with Neveah's

I don't know all the facts of Neveah..the ONLY part I was speaking of there is that her daughter lost custody of the child...but came back to stay with the (custodial) grandmother and brought around unsavory RSO's guys into Neveah's short life

I don't see the need to always give kids to "family"...so many bad choices, bad decisions! How would you propose to keep Tina away from the baby if they both live with the gma?

if the "family" is so ready to care for Shannon now, why didn't they personally come to Florida and check out the conditions? calling DCF is like throwing a penny in a wishing well IMHO! I was shocked to see that Tina and Rusty didn't even have a phone? why didn't the loving family get them a phone and pay for it just so they could call for help etc with a baby in the house??? And so they could stay in touch??

I find it very odd that finally Tina has a "diagnosis" at the age of 27....all those years of ssi and "counseling" and now we have a diagnosis??
Just amazing

IMHO the "diagnosis" is not going to keep Florida from giving her some time..that is her defense position...the state will have other "experts" who will show that Tina did know right from wrong
And that is all that is needed really...everything else is simply an excuse
and this is not San Francisco LOL...no "Twinkie Defense" here thanks

I hope Shannon gets a real forever family that will get her the help and counseling and special attention she needs

 

[ohiogirl]

Logical Minds, We all understand your position, you have repeated it endlessly. Why, I have no idea. We are not thrilled that you have run off the family of this little girl.
To Shannons Amma, good luck to you and your family. We are not all judging you.
We would be happy to have updated on Shannon in the future, if you feel so inclined to post.

 

[shannons amma]

Hello again, and as for the paper giving accurate updates, thats a joke!

 

[ohiogirl]

You shouldn't have to defend yourself. Happy New Year to you and yours.

 

[shannons amma]

I will clear a few things up. Rusty's family would not let anyone in our family have any contact with tina. When I would call his sisters house to talk to tina they would scream at me to never call there again and hang up on me. Finally after weeks of trying to find out how tina was doing and getting hung up on I contacted the state police and told them that I was concerned about my handicapped daughter and begged them to go to his sisters house and check on her so they did and told me she was fine. I went to florida to see her in 08 and had to meet her at a park because I was not allowed to come to his sisters house and I had never even met these people. I bought tina a phone card every month so she could call me and never heard from her because her and rusty would use it up in florida calling friends.

 

[ohiogirl]

Thanks for your response. I am sure it has been extremely rough for you during all of this. I am glad that you now have Shannon, and I hope that Tina can learn to take responsibility. Good luck, hold that little girl very tight. I can't imagine how it would be to not be able to see or talk to my daughter, or my grandchild.

 

[shannons amma]

Tina will not live with me, she will live with other family and when I adopt shannon she will not be allowed to be unsupervised with her. When tina gave birth to shannon she had just moved into her first home of her own and I went there when shannon was born and saw her roach infested home for the first time and I am the one who called CPS and informed them of the living conditions of the home. I want to clarify also that my husband is a respected member of the San Antonio Police Department, he is an ordained minister and a Federal Firearms Dealer and a Federal Firearms Instructer and is a piller of our community and I would appreciate it if he were left out of any future trash ramblings or negative opinions