FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

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I am feeling very odd for being only one of about 3 or 4 that are posting here. Perhaps some others would like a chance to start their own discussions on aspects of their interest. I would like to read others' posts for a while. TIA
 
Chick,

I am enjoying reading all your info! Keep it up!
 
If I lived in OP, I would be totally upset.

Is there a child killer on the loose? I mean one who would kill more children?

Certainly, it is known that some people suspect the mother.

If people close to the child are not suspects, why not announce it and end the speculation?
 
Well I am familiar with HIPPA laws which are very strict regarding confidentiality. If you circumvent those laws, you can lose your license and be fined a hefty sum, I know that. IF DT knew COD they would probably need HER permission to release it to the media. It's all about patient and victim rights. A weird idea in this case.

Chick--

My understanding of HIPPA is that it only protects privacy pre-death. There is no legal right to privacy after death. I wonder how that applies in the case of a minor child?

I base this on a sitution at work. I had to deal with an information request for a deceased patient. This is what the Privacy officer told me. I assumed it was accurate, but since it was a legal "opinion" there may be different interpretations I guess.
 
http://www.worldprivacyforum.org/hipaa/HipaaGuide7.html

Do Privacy Rights Survive Death

Yes. Under HIPAA, a patient's privacy rights survive death and last forever. We are not sure how much sense that makes, but that is what the rule provides. A deceased patient's legally authorized executor or administrator, or a person who is otherwise legally authorized to act on the behalf of the deceased patient or patient's estate, can exercise the privacy rights of a patient.


Don't know if that's what you were talking about ... more at link.
 
http://www.worldprivacyforum.org/hipaa/HipaaGuide7.html

Do Privacy Rights Survive Death

Yes. Under HIPAA, a patient's privacy rights survive death and last forever. We are not sure how much sense that makes, but that is what the rule provides. A deceased patient's legally authorized executor or administrator, or a person who is otherwise legally authorized to act on the behalf of the deceased patient or patient's estate, can exercise the privacy rights of a patient.


Don't know if that's what you were talking about ... more at link.


Thanks! It must have been a person like desribed. That makes sense because in a non-suspiciuos death I don't think anyone not covered by that description would make a request.
 
Chick--

My understanding of HIPPA is that it only protects privacy pre-death. There is no legal right to privacy after death. I wonder how that applies in the case of a minor child?

I base this on a sitution at work. I had to deal with an information request for a deceased patient. This is what the Privacy officer told me. I assumed it was accurate, but since it was a legal "opinion" there may be different interpretations I guess.

Not sure of the specifics on this, but even if you look at death cert. info. you have to provide I.D. and etc, to get a copy. It specifies next of kin and goes from parent/spouse on downward. Hospitals are not allowed to release COD to anyone, I discovered this in the research where hospital protocol popped up and I just read it.

Part of this is because of a situation, say, where a woman is abused, she's hospitalized, perp calls to find out if she is in hospital and volunteer says "room 223" and he comes in and kills her. It has happened. Or she dies anyway and perp tries to find out COD, because on an autopsy it will show she has been abused and died as a result of those injuries and it could be part of what will put him away. THERE is an example of why LE would withhold COD, because an autopsy will reveal long-term abuse. A perp would know this. So I don't know if HIPPA specifically covers death information but it would make sense. So thinking along those lines, hospitals are prohibited from releasing this, the perp would have to request autopsy report from The Coroner, who, as we know, is LE!

To be honest, whatever I typed in search engine: LE will not release COD to parent or Funeral Director protocols for viewing child homicide victim etc., up would pop 100 sites on child abuse, child fatality resulting from abuse, who abuses children, etc. I guess it is because legally an autopsy must always be performed on a child death, and there is a lot of new legislation on SIDS deaths. Sorry to go off subject here.

WHOOPS I should read others' answers before I go off on my own - NOWAY, thanks for providing that info; I jumped in too fast again...sorry!
 
Been sleuthing this case NONSTOP for the past however many days - sorry for my lack of posting, Chick GREAT articles!!!

Sadly, I think it is possible Somer was not in tact --bad enough beyond repair to be viewable to anyone - hence not seeing the body. I think one or two VERY disturbed kids did this. Possibly ones that play with "dark" stuff including different kind of weapons.
 
Good morning everyone. (As usual) I have a theory I would like to share. I hope it does not offend anyone, and if I disappear from here, I'd like to say it's been nice knowing all of you and keep on sleuthing, etc... Apologize in advance if the post is too long, I am thinking congruently and not judgmentally.

DRUG RELATED CRIME

It has been posted before and/or speculated on that DT was a public proponent of a certain drug that is now, BTW, socially acceptable by a lot of people and is legal for medical use in some states.

It has been posted before and/or speculated on that SP may have been a user of various substances, which he states he was before becoming the Indigo healer.

We know that CPC is a fan of *advertiser censored* and statistics would probably show that *advertiser censored* fans are also fans or users of some substances.

It has been posted before that the lapse of time before LE was contacted (she did not call 911) (they happened to be passing by when flagged down) could have been to rid the house of substances that would be found by LE as a matter of the investigation. I have always wondered, if LE had not passed by, would she have called 911, and when?

ALL OF MY RESEARCH into child homicide investigations reveals that in the initial phases the police will scour the home and will interview persons with the subject of substances being a large part of the scenarioi/investigation. LE ALWAYS treats a missing child as a potential homicide. Any missing child is automatically a possibly abused/maltreated/neglected child. LE will thoroughly investigate the home and look for signs of maltreatment or abuse, also looking at the other children and interviewing them. I will try to find another post on protocol for missing child investigation to bring fresh perspective to everyone.

Any illegal substances had to have been purchased by a seller. Whether seller was a friend, acquaintenance or bad guy, past or present. LE's drug investigation detectives are familiar with the scene, past and present, and they have informants.

DRUG THEORY....DT/CPC/SP, etc., are buying/using whatever drugs and have them in the home.

DT texts SP and he tells her Somer has not returned home. She gets that "strange feeling that something is wrong this time" and for whatever reason, it dawns on them that LE has to be brought in this time. Either DT tells SP to flush the drugs or he decides to do it on his own. SP sends AT and ST out to search and begins nervously getting rid of substances. He isn't done when AT comes back so he sends her out again. DT calls CPC and tells him to come out and help her search (the drugs are flushed). Enough time has elapsed, DT sees LE and flags them down, etc. Does DT have any suspicions of who has done this - a retribution thing? More on that later.

LE on the scene, follows protocol, searches house. Takes MPR. Interviews everyone.

Forward to pressers and interviews. "you're not in trouble" "please, anyone if you have her, drop her off on a corner, anywhere". Subsequently Sheriff B saying they have looked at all of the RSO's and there is no change in DT's facial expression. Subsequent interviews have her speaking about Somer as if she was deceased. She begins referring to the perp as "...."he"....or "it could have been"....and changes to "it" and "this animal"...and makes a personal statement..."you're going to pay for a long, long, time". "Who would kill my baby and put her in the trash," and goes on about putting her in the trash as if that was the biggest thing in her thought process. She never said something like, "How could you molest a sweet little girl". I don't recall DT ever saying that "it" was a "pervert" or any other term that would indicate she thought it was a sex crime. She also never said, "we have to find him before he gets another child," did she? What would you tell other parents about their children? "I would say, tell them that you love them...never be too busy..." NOT "There are bad, perverted people out there...make sure your child is never vulnerable to being grabbed by a predator"...


Now, it's been stated that many parents need to view the remains of their child for closure. What this means is, some parents cannot come to grips with the fact that the child is really gone, and they have to see it to believe it. DT, according to some, was strongly encouraged NOT to view Somer, and according to others, was DENIED the right to see Somer. The same is true for knowing COD. We have read that it is the next-of-kin's right to obtain that information, but DT, for whatever reason, is not allowed to know. Releasing it may interfere with criminal investigation.

So, if DT was using drugs, or it was CPC, and there were drugs being purchased, and drug dealers can be nasty people, the above makes sense. Because if you had a strong suspicion that a person had killed your daughter, and this person may have been a bad guy drug dealer, you would:

1. Get rid of the drugs and/or warn the others of this possibility
2. Be out of your mind with grief wondering what happened to your child, but also be aware that if what you think may have happened, you are going to get dragged into it big time. If it's found out you're using, you will be a suspect.
3. Have no trouble accepting the reality that it happened
4. Go on TV and warn the killer that "we're comin' to get you" and make other "personal" statements to the killer
5. Deal with your rage by going on TV and defending yourself against anything that may point to you as putting your child in harm's way. Because letting your seven year old walk home - even if she was a little flighty - is not a big deal. You never dreamed that she would be grabbed in broad daylight by _______________ a drug dealer? Who would imagine that?
6. Change MySpace pictures that may cause you to look like a bad mother
7. Keep your significant other out of the public eye (interviews, etc) because to be honest, he looks just like a bad guy and may also slip up and say something wrong or give the wrong impression, etc.
8. Feel remorse and guilt and say "I feel like it's my fault".
9. Obtain a lawyer who will at least initially protect you from yourself, from inadvertently saying anything incriminating or giving a wrong impression.
10. You would not argue with LE about viewing her body or getting autopsy results because you want to remain friendly with LE and also being faced with the reality would be devastating to you.

Why would a drug dealer or a drug accomplice kill Somer? I don't know. But viewing the body or releasing COD and DT's history of talking, talking, talking could put the possibility that she would leak information to a perp who is involved in the drug scene. IMO MOO ETC ETC
 
In cases where homicide survivors have not been able to view their loved one's body -- either because it was not permitted or they felt unable to do so -- it is often difficult for them to accept the reality of the death. It is for this reason that Redmond urges that family members be permitted to go through this viewing process, as painful as it may be at the time.[/B]
 
Been sleuthing this case NONSTOP for the past however many days - sorry for my lack of posting, Chick GREAT articles!!!

Sadly, I think it is possible Somer was not in tact --bad enough beyond repair to be viewable to anyone - hence not seeing the body. I think one or two VERY disturbed kids did this. Possibly ones that play with "dark" stuff including different kind of weapons.


NOT to be argumentative here. I can't stress enough that the funeral director told me they could restore almost ANYONE under ANY circumstances for viewing. The exception being badly decomposed bodies. Think for a moment about Somer. If she were covered up to her neck in the casket, unless her face was totally mutilated she would be able to be seen. He told me that there are countless ways to do this. It is an art and a science. I am not saying that in her case it was totally possible, only probable. Again, he said that most funeral directors strongly encourage viewing with the appropriate support for the parents to be able to accept the reality that the child is deceased, and will not be coming home again. It is part of the grief process.
 
FYI

I am looking up protocols for "child homicide investigation" and so far I have scrolled through three pages, all of which state "child abuse/maltreatment/homicide". So I am not going to look under "missing child/child homicide" and see if it will take me out of the abuse category. Very frustrating.
 
NOT to be argumentative here. I can't stress enough that the funeral director told me they could restore almost ANYONE under ANY circumstances for viewing. The exception being badly decomposed bodies. Think for a moment about Somer. If she were covered up to her neck in the casket, unless her face was totally mutilated she would be able to be seen. He told me that there are countless ways to do this. It is an art and a science. I am not saying that in her case it was totally possible, only probable. Again, he said that most funeral directors strongly encourage viewing with the appropriate support for the parents to be able to accept the reality that the child is deceased, and will not be coming home again. It is part of the grief process.

BBM

I agree. I have always thought the reason she couldn't be viewed was the condition of the face or head, because that is all you see that is not covered in the casket except the hands - they are usually visible, folded across the chest.
 
Another case that dominated the media but then disappeared as if it never was even before other BIG cases came along..If it's cos the perp hasn't been found yet & there's no new leads (probably so) that's ridiculous cos there should be more coverage NOT less until this is solved..Ya think?
 
The investigative checklist from National Missing Children protocol:

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC88.pdf

It is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE that LE would get a detailed description of Somer and then post a photo of her WHEN SHE WAS FOUR YEARS OLD, which to this day, continues to be THE POSTER OF SOMER on any media coverage.

Was this an intentional "mistake"? DT was shown on TV holding a more recent photo of Somer. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE

MOO!
 
BBM

I agree. I have always thought the reason she couldn't be viewed was the condition of the face or head, because that is all you see that is not covered in the casket except the hands - they are usually visible, folded across the chest.


Which makes it even more poignant and heart rending that, as a matter of dignity, she was dressed inside her casket in her little white dress. Gets me every time.
 
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