FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[human]

I don't mean that I don't think that the Gano house is where something happened, it's just that particular dumpster was not involved, unless she was placed there for a while. She was not dumped from that dumpster.

I still think that something happened at the Gano house. She was seen there by several people apparerently, her scent disappears around there, the house is basically empty, she disappears without a sound or a trace.

Seems like the ideal place for that to happen, IMO

 

[New1]

I don't mean that I don't think that the Gano house is where something happened, it's just that particular dumpster was not involved, unless she was placed there for a while. She was not dumped from that dumpster.

I still think that something happened at the Gano house. She was seen there by several people apparerently, her scent disappears around there, the house is basically empty, she disappears without a sound or a trace.

Seems like the ideal place for that to happen, IMO

Or behind it or behind house next door. Then dumped in a dumpster other than Gano house. Is there a house behind the Gano house? Kyle, if he is really a person, said she went AROUND the house, didn't he? Is it just woods back there or is there other houses? Can anyone local answer - What is BEHIND the Gano house?

 

[Noway]

Or behind it or behind house next door. Then dumped in a dumpster other than Gano house. Is there a house behind the Gano house? Kyle, if he is really a person, said she went AROUND the house, didn't he? Is it just woods back there or is there other houses? Can anyone local answer - What is BEHIND the Gano house?

Looks like the backyard of the house on Gano borders property(ies) on Bay Circle North.

I thought Kyle had said that Somer went back the way she came (it's in facts but no link).

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Here is Ryan Hughes talking about Kyle

Kyle said Somer ran up to the place and told workers they were doing a good job on the renovations. (This is Ryan Hughes talking, not Kyle speaking directly. No details about what direction she came from/went to.)

 

[sadnpod]

Or behind it or behind house next door. Then dumped in a dumpster other than Gano house. Is there a house behind the Gano house? Kyle, if he is really a person, said she went AROUND the house, didn't he? Is it just woods back there or is there other houses? Can anyone local answer - What is BEHIND the Gano house?

There is a kids slide and pile of sand in the back yard on the side. There are houses, back, left and right.. park across the street.

 

[New1]

Looks like the backyard of the house on Gano borders property(ies) on Bay Circle North.

I thought Kyle had said that Somer went back the way she came (it's in facts but no link).

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Here is Ryan Hughes talking about Kyle

Kyle said Somer ran up to the place and told workers they were doing a good job on the renovations. (This is Ryan Hughes talking, not Kyle speaking directly. No details about what direction she came from/went to.)

First BBM

Yes, I heard this too, but I also heard he said she went AROUND the house - don't have link, sorry. It might have been something I read on this board that another poster posted. I cannot remember where I heard that kyle said this.

Second BBM

Plural? Were there more workers than just kyle when he said he saw summer? I was thinking kyle was the only worker left there that day.

 

[ChickenPants]

first let me ask you this. about the person or person's you are referring to on SP'S facebook page, can i add there names here? there are two of them that are related to CPC.

Name away, name away...I only caught one. My ? is, why is SP friends with relatives of CPC on FB but not friends with CPC? I don't think CPC had DT listed as a friend on his MySPace, either, could be wrong. All of these people are strangely connected, IMO : the people you would think would be "friends" are not, while peripheral people are.

Earlier on WS, near the very beginning, media had SP as the boyfriend, then CPC showed up, but at one point, it was mentioned that SP was staying at the home while CPC was there.

Only one point here: How many of these people, plus their friends and acquaintenances, were in and out of the house, with the kids, supervised or not? I have asked several times what after-school arrangements there were, since DT did not leave work until after 4:00 p.m.? It seems that CPC did not get home any earlier, at least according to the MPR when she called and asked him to come home and help search.

Was little AT responsible for letting the kids in, getting them a snack, etc.? Did she or anyone else have a key? How many people knew these kids aged 10 and younger were alone at home for a significant amount of time? Does anyone have information on this? Widens the perp-o-meter. Of course, I am hopeful that LE has this checked out and is watching whomever they think they need to watch.

The above questions pertain to opportunity for whatever perp would have a motive or desire to watch Somer carefully and determine his chances of commiting a crime, even though he allegedly did it away from the home on a busy day in broad daylight.

 

[pinamia]

Looks like the backyard of the house on Gano borders property(ies) on Bay Circle North.

I thought Kyle had said that Somer went back the way she came (it's in facts but no link).

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Here is Ryan Hughes talking about Kyle

Kyle said Somer ran up to the place and told workers they were doing a good job on the renovations. (This is Ryan Hughes talking, not Kyle speaking directly. No details about what direction she came from/went to.)

Is Kyle a real person or was he made up by the media?

 

[ChickenPants]

why would the neighbor need to be on heavy drug's? it was not her child that was killed. infact where @ that time of night would she find a doctor who would perscribe such a strong medication without first seeing her? and what pharmacy would even be open at that time? she was on sone heavy drugs but it was not from any doctor IMO..

Perhaps she had a medical condition that required those drugs? The only significance IMO of her drugs would be if she was on them while Somer was over playing with her children...it states at the beginning that her children were friends of the Thompson chldren and she is a good friend of DT. It's interesting that she could place almost the exact time that DT received the confirmation call from LE. Was she at the house? I hope that there was a strong LE presence at the house - they should have been there (1) to lend strong support (because proper procedure is to inform in person) and (2) to carefully watch reactions to the news. There shouldn't have been IMO other people (neighbors and etc.) in the house when that call came. I can see maybe having your mother there for support, but a neighbor? People shouldn't have been allowed to come and go AT ALL in the house during an investigation. Talk about the possibility of contaminating evidence!

Maybe DT only told her what time she received the call. But sadly it seems to me that she was in the house...sloppy police work...

 

[ChickenPants]

Chickenpants,
The woman contacted LE on Monday night.Very early on in the investigation. She was highly specific about them needing to search the Gano House.And,even more telling, she said they should check that dumpster too.
I will *speculate* that she told LE why she felt they should look there. It could be that it was a hang out place for kids,including Somer. Most likely they might hang there after the construction workers had left for the day. If you think about it , she would have told them to check the dumpster BEFORE LE came up with the plan to follow the garbage trucks. I have never heard of a LE agency following garbage trucks before during a kidnapping or disappearance.
About the dogs : she might have been moved from the Gano dumpster,and placed in another dumpster. Especially if she was in a heavy duty plastic bag,and moved in a car. I have heard that scenthounds are not always able to get a scent on a person to find them.
Guessing that she ( the tipster) was scared,and wanted to remain unidentified.

Hi Liz:

On one of my links (don't ask me which lol) the protocol for a missing child investigation is to contact landfill(s) and follow trucks...early on Sheriff B. said an officer made this suggestion, but later he said in a presser it was "standard procedure" (which it is). Another fine discrepancy you've gotten us into, B! Just like it is standard protocol to do an autopsy on a child death. And make the autopsy results available to the next of kin.

Just my own feeling after reading neighbor's remarks I'm more inclined to believe she actually saw someone place something into that dumpster. Why else would she be sorry that she did not go and look into it herself? No, she saw something, and gave that tip in connection to the investigation. She can probably give a great description of him, and he might have seen her, too, and she is afraid that if he ever found out, she might end up dead also.

I am honestly confused about the different pick up times and dumpster contracts and the fact that Sad says that dumpster was never emptied. So that would mean there would have to be a different dumpster. But no matter, it had to be one in that vicinity, where she was last seen. Time frame, daylight, too dangerous to kill her and then drive around looking for a place to get rid of the body before it got dark and the place was full of searchers and LE.

IMO only, just my feelings.

 

[ChickenPants]

While I think the empty house on Gano was a logical place to search (and any sheds, dumpsters, etc.) I do wonder what time of night the woman made the suggestion.

I also wonder if there is another house near there that is empty for whatever reason.

Noway, somewhere on a news link I remember the broadcaster saying that there were quite a few empty homes around there. I am sure some of our FL area sleuths with maps who know the neighborhood can tell us. Wouldn't an empty house sometimes have a sign, "FOR SALE" OR "FORECLOSURE"? They do in my (FL) neighborhoods. Police also routinely drive around those areas because they are hangouts for kids and vagrants.

 

[ChickenPants]

This referred to a rumor that has been circulating recently. There is no way to "back up" a rumor. As has been suggested by a poster here.

To clarify: I DO NOT believe the rumor is true. I just believe the rumor has been put out there. I have speculated that the FALSE rumor was floated by DT due to the few degrees of separation between her and the poster who related it. The poster did not say they believed the rumor either. And it was in the spirit of reporting rumors that are surfacing in this case, not that the poster was interested in spreading the rumor itself that it was relayed.

Since there has been no info released to now that would indicate a blue container was associated in any way with this case, it would be very telling to know who the ORIGINATOR of this rumor was. Comprende?

Ola, ya comprende: Good points, another thought: Along the lines of backpacks, black, Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus, skull, etc., wouldn't LE be telling people to look for blue containers? Or not.

 

[pinamia]

Ola, ya comprende: Good points, another thought: Along the lines of backpacks, black, Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus, skull, etc., wouldn't LE be telling people to look for blue containers? Or not.

LE know who did it. They know it all. These are just attempts to see what else comes in. They are trying to throw off the killer/killers.

 

[paris_paris]

Or behind it or behind house next door. Then dumped in a dumpster other than Gano house. Is there a house behind the Gano house? Kyle, if he is really a person, said she went AROUND the house, didn't he? Is it just woods back there or is there other houses? Can anyone local answer - What is BEHIND the Gano house?

I've seen this come up a few times. He said something like "she came inside the fence around the house..."

I took that to mean the fence went around the house, and she came inside the fence.

 

[ChickenPants]

I think it's more likely younger neighborhood kids and their parents protecting them. PC is still a suspect to me and SP has always been suspicious to me. They could have been working together as well. Regardless, of who did this, they had lots of help.

I'll repeat an earlier question: If this was a group effort, with signatures like gang slashing, etc., have there been any other crimes of this type in OP, or would LE not be in some way asking people (publicly or privately) to be looking out for suspicious youth activity...or was this ONLY SOMER? The reason I ask is usually youths do these things as initiations or to prove manhood or something, and unless this is the first time, they have left clues somewhere (interent) as to their activities...and LE has special detectives assigned just for this purpose.

LE presser specified early on that they did thorough neighborhood searches, in residents' houses, that residents (even RSO's) were very cooperative. Are there any youths currently in jail for this type of activity or out on parole, etc.? to show a trend of this type.

Again, if it is a specific group that would commit such heinous crime, would LE not be warning the neighborhood in an ongoing way that MONSTERS are still on the loose? And clear DT and family? I am just trying to see the big picture.

If Le knows that their suspect(s) (remember DT's atty said they know who it is and are watching the person) are dangerous to the community, then they are doing a GREAT JOB setting up smokescreens. I don't see how that would be a service to the community, who they are supposed to protect.

Reasons why I do not believe it is a person who is a danger to anyone than poor little Somer. That the person will not kill again, unless perhaps someone targets him and he feels cornered and does it to avoid being caught.

 

[Sunshine77]

Noway, somewhere on a news link I remember the broadcaster saying that there were quite a few empty homes around there. I am sure some of our FL area sleuths with maps who know the neighborhood can tell us. Wouldn't an empty house sometimes have a sign, "FOR SALE" OR "FORECLOSURE"? They do in my (FL) neighborhoods. Police also routinely drive around those areas because they are hangouts for kids and vagrants.

I've seen some houses with for rent/for sale signs when passing thru the neighborhood. Probably at least one on just about every street in the area.

 

[ChickenPants]

Something very obvious just smacked me in the face. Has anyone sleuthed the 17 yo babysitter? I can't remember if it was done way back or not, and haven't been able to find anything. TIA.

I wondered about this earlier, as well. On another forum way back when, someone posted that it was not an amicable parting when she quit after one month. She was fed up chasing Somer and calling neighbors. If I remember correctly, DT was angry about it, as it left her in the lurch. Rumor (?) was that she babysat so "DT and CPC could party"...She was fed up enough to talk to a reporter and tell that Somer was a "handful". At 17, if she was the killer, she just might go ahead and say something like that not thinking it might make her suspect. But don't you think LE has already interviewed her several times? Hope so.

Rumors only. Just answering with the available input I have. TIA

 

[ChickenPants]

i thought that it might be a brother and brother's wife at first, but they both live in two different places, and she is married with two kid's. i'm pretty sure she is the sister, in one of her pic's she has a van with writing on the back window that say's JUSTICE FOR SOMER and WATCH OUT WERE COMING. ahhhhhh i just found another currier on their. RHYMES with melby- 6 letter's (female) she is 18 year's old. maybe she could be the daughter of CPC or the brother's child, his sister doesn't look old enough to have an 18 year old. her mood is depressed because she doesn't want to move. her hometown in bowtie?? nope just checked again, the sister's husband and the brother look nothing a like, although the brother is also bald like CPC and look's a lot like him. no exwife here..

Can you clarify for a clouded mind, here? Are she and the others you have listed friends on SP's FB or on CPC's MS? Because as I say, it's strange that SP has all of these CPC relations as friends, while leaving out CPC himself. What could possibly be the reason for that? That is strange.

Not to be nosy or personal - but just wondering how you are accessing CPC's MS, are you a "friend" on there? I haven't checked lately (don't want to, can't get past the skulls and flames lol) but is he still a *advertiser censored* fan and a trashy truck driver? I would have hoped he'd tone it down...but that's what DT and SP did (DT right after Somer went missing) and doing so smacked of cover-up, so maybe he is giving the message: "I do it MY WAY" (no music note smileys, aw).

 

[ChickenPants]

As of January 4, results still not in from lab. Until the results are in LE can't arrest. I am confident that they will arrest as soon as the results are in.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22122212/detail.html

Can you give reasons for your confidence? Do you want to say who you think will be arrested, and what evidence will link them? Only if you want to. TIA

 

[ChickenPants]

Quoted from article: The sheriff's office said the investigation is in a stage that can be described as "focused and streamlined."
IMO, sounds to me like they have a suspect or suspects, and are waiting on the forensics.

I've always thought that part of the delay in making an arrest in the case is tying the suspect to the different crime scenes---we know that she was killed in one place and then put into the dumpster. They have to link the person to the spot she was taken from, place where she was killed, possible transport by vehicle to the dumpster, and then the dumpster.

Just using this as an example: If she was sexually assaulted, and they are able to match DNA evidence found on her, that still doesn't prove who abducted and killed her. The suspect could potentially say, well yeah I raped her, but she was alive and well when I left. They would still need evidence that ties him to the abduction and murder. KWIM?

Those two words do give one a certain sense of hope. In one of the videos, you see them loading up a truck with a lot of brown paper bags. One of the places they searched was men's bathroom, also. I sure hope these are not just buzz-words subject to broad interpretation. The word "focused" connotates looking at one suspect and the word "streamlined" sounds like they have the M.O. and have turned it every which way until they are sure.
Praying it is true. God Bless Team Somer.

 

[ChickenPants]

The DNA under her nails will nail the SOB and company. Remember the Sheriff said that the suspect has cuts. They know it's a male because I guess that DNA is quick.

Pin, I don't want to be a pessimist here, but the sheriff didn't exactly say the suspect has cuts (unless I missed that). Possible cuts were part of the broad criminal profile they put out when they also said to look for changes in routine, calling off sick at work, getting rid of a vehicle, etc.

For some reason, I feel this little girl did not have a chance to fight. She was seven, taken by surprise, and was totally and quickly overpowered by a strong man or woman. Have you ever been pinned, arms to your side or one hand over your mouth and arm behind your back by a strong man? I was almost raped once and never had a second to fight back, I was so quickly physically overpowered. Also, if she was whacked in the head with a quick and fatal blow, no chance to scream or fight then, either. I would hope trace dna would be on her clothing, maybe in her hair from close proximity to the perp.

Or if it was sexual assault (which I don't buy), there would be traces of semen. :sick: