Focusing Solely on Cindy's Inconsistencies

[metalcrystal]

Hello WS

Here is the first ten minutes of Cindy's video interview with FBI
July30th, 2008

LE: How ya holding up?
CA: It gets harder every day, it, it really does because I, I, the reason we reached out to you is because of our frustrations with the Orange County Sheriff's department and stuff and this(inaudible)I think it, I think the focus is not finding Caylee and that's really frustrating to us, and she's the most important thing finding her(inaudible)and ever thing else will fall right into place.
(another LE comes in room)
LE: Did you introduce yourself?
LE: No I did not, I apologize, I'm (name)
CA: Your the State Trooper
LE: (inaudible)Steve works for Seminole County and he's the one who arranged for us to be able to use this facility, out of the way...
CA: Yes, I appreciate this because, you know, its so nice to get away from the media and any other you know, stuff that's out there.
LE: (Inaudible crosstalk)I understand, I been around these situations before, I don't know what Josh told you but...
CA: You know, we really didn't talk to Josh a whole lot about you guys involvement and I'm sure you guys has a huge involvement in this situation. He(inaudible)knew that I was frustrated the other day and I said because, you know, they, they've been telling us that FBI was calling last, a week, not Monday the 28th but the 21st, there was, you know, we weren't sure if that was the case or not and we were kind of wondering why you guys weren't called in, in the beginning when it was said it was a kidnapping. So, and I'm sure there's, you know, channels of communication and everything but more frustration I got was from speaking with this ah, witness from the airport and you know, I urged her to reach out to the FBI and she did and she finally told me some information but I wanted to reach out as well because, I mean its just, I think we should...
LE: Are you talking about the lady that was on the plane that...
CA: (Name of lady)yeah
LE: I spoke with her twice as a matter of fact and she felt, you know, put some concern out that nothin's being done, I let her know, I mean, that day we'd sent out nine leads, um, so I'm working out of (inaudible)FBI office, I've been working out of that office for three years...
CA: Well there was some red flags with her, you know, not her, herself but her um, her reac, interaction with the sheriff's department, first red flag was when she thought it was strange as did I, that they wanted to meet up with her at a McDonald's to do her statement and a composite sketch. Her and her son at a McDonald's, I mean, I don't know what you all do I mean, this is the first time we've really had any major, my son, my husband was a deputy sheriff in Ohio fer uh, nine years before I met him and he, you know is in it for another year and a half until we said no more, that's enough I've, I've I want to have a husband, a son for my, I mean a father for my son(inaudible)I mean so we don't know all of the ins and outs and things like that, but I mean I could not imagine you would take a fourteen year old and a woman to McDonald's to do, get a written statement and do a composite sketch. That was kind of like a red flag and we were just kind of wondering were they blowin' her off? She kinda felt like they were blowin' her off, and her, her stuff was so compelling, I mean things that she said, she even said that she, Caylee had said her name and the way she said Caylee's name because when ever someone would call in and tell us they'd already spoken with the, you know, the tip line, now this particular tip came in, um, a week ago Tuesday on the 22nd, she called me, in fact I have um, I think the minutes, um she had called me on the 22nd I, we got home from the uh, bond hearing and I always listen to the messages just to see if there's anything I need to take care of right away, and her's was probably about a four minute message and then I call her back and I (inaudible)speaking with her, probably spoke for ten minutes, I immediately hang up, relay everything she told me to detective M. and I documented 8:40, I mean 8:14, that I spoke to him on his voice mail and told him everything, her sighting and what she said, I gave her the name and everything like that, ah, she told me she had a difficult time getting through to the tip line, she said that she'd been, had been trying since she got back from her trip and she didn't know until she got back from her trip, which was that weekend, that Caylee was a missing person or she would have said something prior to that, I mean, the things that she talked about Caylee...is Caylee. So, that's why its kind of compelling I mean, from the baby doll, to how she spoke, how Caylee would go up to her puppy, she has a Yorkshire Terrier, she was on the trip to take the Yorkie puppy, we have two Yorkie puppies at our home, um, you know, but, she came up ta her and her son and they spent ten, fifteen minutes with her, so not just sighting across a restaurant like some of them come in or across, you know, the street at a gas station or whathaveyou, but if this person said that she stated the name she state the fact that she was two almost three I mean there's a lot of things that, you know, sounded right. The other thing was she had a cap on, one kids don't like caps, Cay, Caylee has a lot of hats different types of hats, scarfs things like that, those usually don't stay on but the typical baseball cap type of thing she'll wear, she likes those and down to the baby doll that had no clothes on Caylee's m.o. is as soon as you give her a new baby doll its stripped down ta nothing, and you know Casey and I constantly would try to put the clothes on the baby doll so just things like that you know and then the fact that she said Caylee, and She said she really couldn't tell the middle name was because when Caylee speaks her name, full name she'll say, Caylee Marie Anthony, if you, if you ask her what her first name is she'll say Caylee, if you ask her middle name she'll say Marie, if you ask her what her last name is she says Anthony very clearly but what she winds it up to be, the way she says it all is one big sentence which for a little girl that's a sentence, three, you know, parts of her name, the Anthony comes out Antony instead of Anthony. So, again these are all, I told her, describe what you saw, I mean I didn't say anything to her one way or the other, oh my god, this is it, this isn't it, you know, I mean so those were the things that were very compelling, the fact, I mean, she described her down to what she was wearing, things like that and she noticed the other lady, so her frustration early on was from the 22nd until, like last friday or thursday she really didn't have any follow up and she was concerned about that um, that she hadn't had any follow up with anybody.
LE: Maybe to alieveate some of to those worries for you, in a much a lot of times that's the problem with(inaudible) tipsters they want to know what happened...
CA: I know
LE: ...and quite frankly its our job...
CA: Uh-hum
LE: ...to run leads but we're not going ot tell them because that influences later on...
CA: Exactly
LE: ...what they come back with, we understand, we understand it we hope that they understand that but uh, we want you to know that those minutes were followed up we did identify those kids that were on that plane...
CA: Did you?
LE: Yes
CA: Okay because the detective told my ah, son on the weekend, which was saturday, just this past saturday that they um, wasted a lot of time with the Orlando airport tip and that the video did not pan out, you know that there was, you know, nothing. Well, I have peop, I know someone that works at the airport, they said the video was not available because the videos not already run over so I don't know if that's true or not so if they're telling us that they looked at a video and they didn't see Caylee on that video, then is that truthful or is, was there a video and...
LE: I don't know, I don't know about videos, I know that, that, that(inaudible)should know more about this particular instance, with the manifest and that kind of stuff.
LE: (other) I know that I talked to (name) like I said twice, I'm sorry (name), and ah, that she, you know raised some concerns on friday about nothing being done and I explained to her, ah well actually after that we received information from Orange County somebody, 'cause we are trying to handle the out of state leads and we're working with the appropriate jurisdiction we're those agents can go out and ah, contact those individuals and that's what happened in this case and that was like one of the nine others we sent that day.
CA: Okay
LE: Um, and that's really the only reason I called her in the first place was, sometimes you just don't know whether people heard what they really did, ah, 'cause this one child's name was a similar name and its, its like a female being called(name)and her dolly is(name) what's your name? It's(dolly smith).
CA: Right
LE: And that's why I want to find out, you know, is this, I mean you know is she sure and certain she heard it. I never got to that point ah, because I ah, she was confident in her mind that when the little girl said my name is so and so, this is what she expressed to me, she said and she kept on referring to her as Caylee, that's I said well my point is moot, I don't think she's , she's got the mind set that this is what she feels happened so, uh, and, and I understand that and I wouldn't try and change her mind...thought that...
CA: ...Oh, I understand that too but she's a, was a red flag too because she said the agent, at that time she'd found out it was Steve and she said that one question that they asked is um did she speak with Mr(end video part 1)

All of the above, droning on and on sure reminds me of her daughter!!!! If I talk enough and give enough detail, they will believe me.....

 

[Juliana]

Hello WS

Here is the first ten minutes of Cindy's video interview with FBI
July30th, 2008

LE: How ya holding up?
CA: It gets harder every day, it, it really does because I, I, the reason we reached out to you is because of our frustrations with the Orange County Sheriff's department and stuff and this(inaudible)I think it, I think the focus is not finding Caylee and that's really frustrating to us, and she's the most important thing finding her(inaudible)and ever thing else will fall right into place.
(another LE comes in room)
LE: Did you introduce yourself?
LE: No I did not, I apologize, I'm (name)
CA: Your the State Trooper
LE: (inaudible)Steve works for Seminole County and he's the one who arranged for us to be able to use this facility, out of the way...
CA: Yes, I appreciate this because, you know, its so nice to get away from the media and any other you know, stuff that's out there.
LE: (Inaudible crosstalk)I understand, I been around these situations before, I don't know what Josh told you but...
CA: You know, we really didn't talk to Josh a whole lot about you guys involvement and I'm sure you guys has a huge involvement in this situation. He(inaudible)knew that I was frustrated the other day and I said because, you know, they, they've been telling us that FBI was calling last, a week, not Monday the 28th but the 21st, there was, you know, we weren't sure if that was the case or not and we were kind of wondering why you guys weren't called in, in the beginning when it was said it was a kidnapping. So, and I'm sure there's, you know, channels of communication and everything but more frustration I got was from speaking with this ah, witness from the airport and you know, I urged her to reach out to the FBI and she did and she finally told me some information but I wanted to reach out as well because, I mean its just, I think we should...
LE: Are you talking about the lady that was on the plane that...
CA: (Name of lady)yeah
LE: I spoke with her twice as a matter of fact and she felt, you know, put some concern out that nothin's being done, I let her know, I mean, that day we'd sent out nine leads, um, so I'm working out of (inaudible)FBI office, I've been working out of that office for three years...
CA: Well there was some red flags with her, you know, not her, herself but her um, her reac, interaction with the sheriff's department, first red flag was when she thought it was strange as did I, that they wanted to meet up with her at a McDonald's to do her statement and a composite sketch. Her and her son at a McDonald's, I mean, I don't know what you all do I mean, this is the first time we've really had any major, my son, my husband was a deputy sheriff in Ohio fer uh, nine years before I met him and he, you know is in it for another year and a half until we said no more, that's enough I've, I've I want to have a husband, a son for my, I mean a father for my son(inaudible)I mean so we don't know all of the ins and outs and things like that, but I mean I could not imagine you would take a fourteen year old and a woman to McDonald's to do, get a written statement and do a composite sketch. That was kind of like a red flag and we were just kind of wondering were they blowin' her off? She kinda felt like they were blowin' her off, and her, her stuff was so compelling, I mean things that she said, she even said that she, Caylee had said her name and the way she said Caylee's name because when ever someone would call in and tell us they'd already spoken with the, you know, the tip line, now this particular tip came in, um, a week ago Tuesday on the 22nd, she called me, in fact I have um, I think the minutes, um she had called me on the 22nd I, we got home from the uh, bond hearing and I always listen to the messages just to see if there's anything I need to take care of right away, and her's was probably about a four minute message and then I call her back and I (inaudible)speaking with her, probably spoke for ten minutes, I immediately hang up, relay everything she told me to detective M. and I documented 8:40, I mean 8:14, that I spoke to him on his voice mail and told him everything, her sighting and what she said, I gave her the name and everything like that, ah, she told me she had a difficult time getting through to the tip line, she said that she'd been, had been trying since she got back from her trip and she didn't know until she got back from her trip, which was that weekend, that Caylee was a missing person or she would have said something prior to that, I mean, the things that she talked about Caylee...is Caylee. So, that's why its kind of compelling I mean, from the baby doll, to how she spoke, how Caylee would go up to her puppy, she has a Yorkshire Terrier, she was on the trip to take the Yorkie puppy, we have two Yorkie puppies at our home, um, you know, but, she came up ta her and her son and they spent ten, fifteen minutes with her, so not just sighting across a restaurant like some of them come in or across, you know, the street at a gas station or whathaveyou, but if this person said that she stated the name she state the fact that she was two almost three I mean there's a lot of things that, you know, sounded right. The other thing was she had a cap on, one kids don't like caps, Cay, Caylee has a lot of hats different types of hats, scarfs things like that, those usually don't stay on but the typical baseball cap type of thing she'll wear, she likes those and down to the baby doll that had no clothes on Caylee's m.o. is as soon as you give her a new baby doll its stripped down ta nothing, and you know Casey and I constantly would try to put the clothes on the baby doll so just things like that you know and then the fact that she said Caylee, and She said she really couldn't tell the middle name was because when Caylee speaks her name, full name she'll say, Caylee Marie Anthony, if you, if you ask her what her first name is she'll say Caylee, if you ask her middle name she'll say Marie, if you ask her what her last name is she says Anthony very clearly but what she winds it up to be, the way she says it all is one big sentence which for a little girl that's a sentence, three, you know, parts of her name, the Anthony comes out Antony instead of Anthony. So, again these are all, I told her, describe what you saw, I mean I didn't say anything to her one way or the other, oh my god, this is it, this isn't it, you know, I mean so those were the things that were very compelling, the fact, I mean, she described her down to what she was wearing, things like that and she noticed the other lady, so her frustration early on was from the 22nd until, like last friday or thursday she really didn't have any follow up and she was concerned about that um, that she hadn't had any follow up with anybody.
LE: Maybe to alieveate some of to those worries for you, in a much a lot of times that's the problem with(inaudible) tipsters they want to know what happened...
CA: I know
LE: ...and quite frankly its our job...
CA: Uh-hum
LE: ...to run leads but we're not going ot tell them because that influences later on...
CA: Exactly
LE: ...what they come back with, we understand, we understand it we hope that they understand that but uh, we want you to know that those minutes were followed up we did identify those kids that were on that plane...
CA: Did you?
LE: Yes
CA: Okay because the detective told my ah, son on the weekend, which was saturday, just this past saturday that they um, wasted a lot of time with the Orlando airport tip and that the video did not pan out, you know that there was, you know, nothing. Well, I have peop, I know someone that works at the airport, they said the video was not available because the videos not already run over so I don't know if that's true or not so if they're telling us that they looked at a video and they didn't see Caylee on that video, then is that truthful or is, was there a video and...
LE: I don't know, I don't know about videos, I know that, that, that(inaudible)should know more about this particular instance, with the manifest and that kind of stuff.
LE: (other) I know that I talked to (name) like I said twice, I'm sorry (name), and ah, that she, you know raised some concerns on friday about nothing being done and I explained to her, ah well actually after that we received information from Orange County somebody, 'cause we are trying to handle the out of state leads and we're working with the appropriate jurisdiction we're those agents can go out and ah, contact those individuals and that's what happened in this case and that was like one of the nine others we sent that day.
CA: Okay
LE: Um, and that's really the only reason I called her in the first place was, sometimes you just don't know whether people heard what they really did, ah, 'cause this one child's name was a similar name and its, its like a female being called(name)and her dolly is(name) what's your name? It's(dolly smith).
CA: Right
LE: And that's why I want to find out, you know, is this, I mean you know is she sure and certain she heard it. I never got to that point ah, because I ah, she was confident in her mind that when the little girl said my name is so and so, this is what she expressed to me, she said and she kept on referring to her as Caylee, that's I said well my point is moot, I don't think she's , she's got the mind set that this is what she feels happened so, uh, and, and I understand that and I wouldn't try and change her mind...thought that...
CA: ...Oh, I understand that too but she's a, was a red flag too because she said the agent, at that time she'd found out it was Steve and she said that one question that they asked is um did she speak with Mr(end video part 1)

BBM. CA wonders why the FBI wasn't called in when it was "said to be a kidnapping"? Why would she phrase it that way? Why not just way, "why wasn't the FBI called in since this is a kidnapping?". Red flag to me. CA states it was "said" to be a kidnapping, not that it "is" a kidnapping.
imo

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

The reason experts give for thinking changing the tense is indicative of a lie is because it indicates that the person speaking is "living" the event/facts as they are telling them. The example you gave is an excellent illustration of this - you were re-living the event that caused the embarassment & drawing the audience into your (probably funny and self depricating) story by telling it "in real time".

As you say - change in tense is not an iron clad red flag saying lie. But it does indicate the brain working through an event "in real time". This could indicate a lie being made up on the spot or tuthful person who is an engaging story teller who wants to present a dramatic story. The difference here is that in situations where a person is being interrogated or interviewed by LE an innocent person usually answers questions simply and factually - sticking to the bare bones of the story even when questioned over and over again. A person lying will add in all sorts of details to make the story more convincing. Change of tense to the present is also a technique to make a story more engaging - the story teller wants to impress/convince/and even entertain the listener. At the very least, if the change in tense doesn't exactly point to a lie being told it almost certainly indicates a "spin" being put on the information.

(bold mine)

I agree with your post in its entirety. The bolded section sums it up perfectly!

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

I think the focusing in on this topic works well. Thank you for making a space for us, part of what draws me to WS is there seems to be a place for all opinions and styles: what the world needs more of...

The Anthony case is my first I have ever followed. I was drawn in by Caylee. I thought I would start reading about other cases in the way that I do with her's...but I don't-I am drawn for a reason and think I will not be released until the trial is over.

Those of you who have seen a case come together sure do know of what you speak and I have not been here enough to know how it works for you but I can see information coming together here, on this thread, in a way I was hoping for: some others have expressed this feeling also. Being able to come in so late into all the information that is here on WS...it does not matter how it is layed out, imo...every post everyone has left has been needed information. That is why people like coming here so much and why so many do.
I never thought I'd have to have metaphysical thoughts about a thread: what does this thread mean? I am just focusing on Cindy: what that means in WS speak is something else I see, and is best to be corrected.

Sometimes it is very difficult to take this trip with Caylee, I keep on feeling like walking away-but here I am again. I think any thread that contains facts and then theory/discussion on those facts can be helpful, even helpful to those WSers that do the deep work on those threads like the "ping threads" how crazy is that info? huh?
Sometimes I need the minds of others to work with to come to conclusions, like in a case such as this: when I look at the transcripts there is so much I want to discuss with you all but I can not remember it all, then when I post I want to be able to give the exact words...many times I am at a loss for those words and then I find someone else has posted just what I needed to express-and it feels good to release that. I believe all people are connected, and I have a connection to Caylee, maybe a debt I owe? I have a need to understand what happened to Caylee. Right now I feel I understand all too well...
So, all of that is the spirit this thread was started, whatever needs to be done to follow the rules has my vote.

Namaste WS

 

[shgrbkr]

I just started reading this thread, so I'm commenting on something from page 1, regarding KC's claim they were in Tampa going to Busch Gardens. Back in July/August, when the investigation was new, it would seem to me LE would have requested the surveillance video from the park. Don't they generally have cameras at the entrances and exits, etc??? Wouldn't they try to verify or further discredit KC's story with something more tangible that a jury can get their collective hands around?
Of course, we all know it was another big fat one, but I'm just boosting the cause if I can.

 

[carrie]

Hello WS

I think the focusing in on this topic works well. Thank you for making a space for us, part of what draws me to WS is there seems to be a place for all opinions and styles: what the world needs more of...

The Anthony case is my first I have ever followed. I was drawn in by Caylee. I thought I would start reading about other cases in the way that I do with her's...but I don't-I am drawn for a reason and think I will not be released until the trial is over.

Those of you who have seen a case come together sure do know of what you speak and I have not been here enough to know how it works for you but I can see information coming together here, on this thread, in a way I was hoping for: some others have expressed this feeling also. Being able to come in so late into all the information that is here on WS...it does not matter how it is layed out, imo...every post everyone has left has been needed information. That is why people like coming here so much and why so many do.
I never thought I'd have to have metaphysical thoughts about a thread: what does this thread mean? I am just focusing on Cindy: what that means in WS speak is something else I see, and is best to be corrected.

Sometimes it is very difficult to take this trip with Caylee, I keep on feeling like walking away-but here I am again. I think any thread that contains facts and then theory/discussion on those facts can be helpful, even helpful to those WSers that do the deep work on those threads like the "ping threads" how crazy is that info? huh?
Sometimes I need the minds of others to work with to come to conclusions, like in a case such as this: when I look at the transcripts there is so much I want to discuss with you all but I can not remember it all, then when I post I want to be able to give the exact words...many times I am at a loss for those words and then I find someone else has posted just what I needed to express-and it feels good to release that. I believe all people are connected, and I have a connection to Caylee, maybe a debt I owe? I have a need to understand what happened to Caylee. Right now I feel I understand all too well...
So, all of that is the spirit this thread was started, whatever needs to be done to follow the rules has my vote.

Namaste WS

Hi Chaquita71.

Welcome to WS. We're glad to have you.

When 1st came, I didn't understand how and why things were arranged as they are. The longer I'm here, the more sense it makes. It may not be a perfect system, but the sheer volume of posts requires some type of system/organization, if, as JBean explained, we are ever to find the information at a later time.

If you review the thread topics, you will see that most of what's being discussed in this thread already has its own topic. For ex, there is a thread that discusses "statement analysis," a thread on the Anthony's parenting style, one for CA's disposition, one for the 911 calls, etc. There are threads for every disposition and interview and threads for virtually each date.

Even if it's an older thread, all you have to do is post to it and that will "revive" it so to speak, and bump it to the front page for further discussion.

You can do a search and and advanced search on thread topics to see what's already there. I have never started a thread because every time I've had an interest for one, upon searching I found a thread that my comments/posts would fit in. (I'm probably not very original though - lol)

There is lots of great information and sleuthing that is now virtually lost in the general discussion threads from when the Caylee case began. Even though I was a member when the news of "31 Days" broke, I wasn't reading the Caylee threads, so now the only way for me to see what's there is to read ALL of it, which is quite tedious, though I try to read a couple of pages of posts every few days while trying to keep up with the new stuff, I've only gotten to #25. There are 166 general discussion threads and each one has pages and pages of posts!!!

So, FWIW, the more narrow the topic the better. Again, welcome to WS. I just thought I'd share that with you and hope it helps.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Okay. So I want to start a thread with all of the transcripts I type up to be on it...and then I want other WSers that have an interest in those transcripts to come to that thread and read and then post ideas and information that they get from said transcripts...what do I call it and how do I do that?

Thanks so MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was just thinking...if we changed the name of the thread to: Cindy Anthony Transcripts it would be like the Cindy Anthony Depo, or other threads of that nature? Or we should take each post, by post and make sure the information is put into the right thread, right? Or else we won't be able to find it when the trial starts. How do we take each one of these posts, and from the ones on the george site and get them where they belong? How will we find this info when we need it?


Wait. I think I got it. What should work for everybody. We post a transcripts. Then WSers take the topic off of the transcript that they are wanting to follow/discuss and they go to the thread that would match what they are speaking of. Does that make sense?

I just wanted the transcripts "out there" because everyone talks about so much good info and we read the transcripts or see the videos but we can't remember every thing that was said...and with the sleuthing it comes down to the little things said...sometimes. I wanted us to have the exact words they said when we are saying: "george knew she wasn't working..." Well...that's my idea.

 

[carrie]

Hello WS

Okay. So I want to start a thread with all of the transcripts I type up to be on it...and then I want other WSers that have an interest in those transcripts to come to that thread and read and then post ideas and information that they get from said transcripts...what do I call it and how do I do that?

Thanks so MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was just thinking...if we changed the name of the thread to: Cindy Anthony Transcripts it would be like the Cindy Anthony Depo, or other threads of that nature? Or we should take each post, by post and make sure the information is put into the right thread, right? Or else we won't be able to find it when the trial starts. How do we take each one of these posts, and from the ones on the george site and get them where they belong? How will we find this info when we need it?


Wait. I think I got it. What should work for everybody. We post a transcripts. Then WSers take the topic off of the transcript that they are wanting to follow/discuss and they go to the thread that would match what they are speaking of. Does that make sense?

I just wanted the transcripts "out there" because everyone talks about so much good info and we read the transcripts or see the videos but we can't remember every thing that was said...and with the sleuthing it comes down to the little things said...sometimes. I wanted us to have the exact words they said when we are saying: "george knew she wasn't working..." Well...that's my idea.

Hi again,

I can't tell you exactly how to do it but I can suggest-as I said I've never started a thread. First I would look here:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71772"]Official Documents-Audio-Arrest Updates No Discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

to see if there is already a typed transcript. There are many, but I doubt that all of them have been transcribed. No doubt many are still in audio or video format, especially the nonLE interviews, many of which you can find here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68189"]Show Transcripts and Show Videos - NO DISCUSSION! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

This may also be helpful:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72088"]Interview Reference Guide To Finding All Interviews, Motions, Grand Jury and Trials. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


Anyway, once you find an interview, phone call, conversation, etc. that you're interested in, you can check to see if there is a thread on it. If there isn't, you can start a thread on that specific interview, phone call, etc. You can type/transcribe it if it isn't already, or copy parts of it if it is, or just link/refer to it. Here are some examples of threads that discuss various transcripts or audio interviews:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68555&highlight=cindy (CINDY ON NANCYG)

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82498"]Cindy Anthony Phone Message for Sgt. John Allen -- Jul. 23, 2008 (Doc Dump 4-6-09) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72070&highlight=cindy (Cindy Anthony's Tape Interview - 8/1/08 #2)

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83443"]Cindy's (draft?) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
(email to Casey--computer forensics report )

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73611&highlight=cindy (Cindy & George on TODAY SHOW 10/22/08)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70305&highlight=cindy (Statement from Cindy about TM and LP)

Hope that helps. As for the info/posts that are now "lost" in the GA thread and this one, nothing can be done about it. Not to worry, it happens.

When you search, I would suggest using the advanced search option. You can search thread titles only that way. It would also probably be a good idea to just look through the pages (and pages and pages) of threads in the main forum also. That would give you an idea of how (and how not - lol) to title your thread, as well as letting you see how many threads we already have, which is why we try to use specific titles for threads and then (try to) stay on topic.

If you read a thread title and say to yourself "What in heck could that thread be about?" it's not a good title. Happy sleuthing.

 

[JBean]

Hi again,

I can't tell you exactly how to do it but I can suggest-as I said I've never started a thread. First I would look here:
Official Documents-Audio-Arrest Updates No Discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

to see if there is already a typed transcript. There are many, but I doubt that all of them have been transcribed. No doubt many are still in audio or video format, especially the nonLE interviews, many of which you can find here:

Show Transcripts and Show Videos - NO DISCUSSION! - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This may also be helpful:

Interview Reference Guide To Finding All Interviews, Motions, Grand Jury and Trials. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Anyway, once you find an interview, phone call, conversation, etc. that you're interested in, you can check to see if there is a thread on it. If there isn't, you can start a thread on that specific interview, phone call, etc. You can type/transcribe it if it isn't already, or copy parts of it if it is, or just link/refer to it. Here are some examples of threads that discuss various transcripts or audio interviews:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68555&highlight=cindy (CINDY ON NANCYG)

Cindy Anthony Phone Message for Sgt. John Allen -- Jul. 23, 2008 (Doc Dump 4-6-09) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72070&highlight=cindy (Cindy Anthony's Tape Interview - 8/1/08 #2)

Cindy's (draft?) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
(email to Casey--computer forensics report )

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73611&highlight=cindy (Cindy & George on TODAY SHOW 10/22/08)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70305&highlight=cindy (Statement from Cindy about TM and LP)

Hope that helps. As for the info/posts that are now "lost" in the GA thread and this one, nothing can be done about it. Not to worry, it happens.

When you search, I would suggest using the advanced search option. You can search thread titles only that way. It would also probably be a good idea to just look through the pages (and pages and pages) of threads in the main forum also. That would give you an idea of how (and how not - lol) to title your thread, as well as letting you see how many threads we already have, which is why we try to use specific titles for threads and then (try to) stay on topic.

If you read a thread title and say to yourself "What in heck could that thread be about?" it's not a good title. Happy sleuthing.

I am impressed! By george I think she's got it

here is another link to the analysis forum; for serious sleuths only
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233"]Anthony Case Resource Links, Case Calendar and Time Line Analysis Forum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[spiderlady]

IMO I think that Cindy's inconsistencies and lies will be attributed to Caseys ultimate guilty verdict as much as KC's own lies.

 

[Gma Kat]

IMO I think that Cindy's inconsistencies and lies will be attributed to Caseys ultimate guilty verdict as much as KC's own lies.

ITA. KC didn't come out of the box this way I suspect, this thread demonstrates the dangers of living in your own world and making up the "truth" as you go along. For me CA's spontaneous statements that she didn't know who this nanny or zanny was, compaired to her deposition testimony that she always had #'s for zanny from KC, really shows the speed and desperacey with which she went into cover-up mode. I gotta admit, CA/GA's behavior has really been more evidence of KC's guilt........I can find NO other explanation.

 

[spiderlady]

Cindy on the stand confronted with all of her 'mistruths' is something I can hardly fathom. It will be better than KC herself on the stand. I have known people and entire families who do not realize the rules and laws apply to them the same as everyone. I wonder what makes them all think they are above the law to the point they even make up their own rules. ITA agree also that the supression of the autopsy documents smacks of Azz covering. I wonder if the defense is just as shocked and awed by their behavior the same as the rest of us.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Cindy on the stand confronted with all of her 'mistruths' is something I can hardly fathom. It will be better than KC herself on the stand. I have known people and entire families who do not realize the rules and laws apply to them the same as everyone. I wonder what makes them all think they are above the law to the point they even make up their own rules. ITA agree also that the supression of the autopsy documents smacks of Azz covering. I wonder if the defense is just as shocked and awed by their behavior the same as the rest of us.

Wouldn't surprise me if the defense is working hand in hand with CA/GA/BC in a lot of their movements.

 

[Gma Kat]

(Snip Respect La.Sandy)

So: "George and I are at work" would mean that on the morning of the 16th Casey may have had the house all to herself...may have killed Caylee the night before. Maybe George was in the house but he would be easily avoided...it was a normal day...a normal day of Casey sneaking around. Casey got out of the house...with or without Caylee...and later tells Cindy they are going away for 2 1/2 weeks.

BBM: Respectfully snipped Chiquita for space! Awesome work btw...really great thread topic. My recollection of reading about GA and KC's relationship from friends of KC and also from family members statements - is that had a volatile relationship, with arguing/fighting. On ther other hand, they rarely even spoke to one another. They existed in the same household but really didn't acknowledge or interact with each other. Assuming that is true (and we have no reason to doubt the testimony of these friends and family) it is likely that GA and KC didn't so much as acknowledge each other's presence on the 16th, let alone have a conversation. So I also doubt that he saw them leave on the 16th. To plaguerize a wise WS'er, CA's word salad in these interviews is so hard to follow that deciphering lies/miss-half-truths is difficult! Gobbley-gook is what I make of it. I think it would be easier to put together a list of what is consistent in this case!

 

[MissJames]

If this is what you are looking for, it's in the CA Civil Case regarding ZFG. I will try to post a link, I really don't know how, but, I'll try. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case

That's not right I don't think, but if you google the transcripts for those depositions, you will find it.

Thanks Mare10,
Several people have suggested that CA just made up the story at the depo,but I recall her talking about it very early on in the case.She was talking about how LE was misrepresenting facts and she used that as an example.I believe she said she found some numbers for Zanny and gave them to an officer,but in his report the officer stated he found the numbers in KC's car.So the story about having numbers for Zanny didn't first pop up in the depo.

 

[The World According]

That part of the interview was interesting, a little banter back and forth over a small item about women leaving purses in cars, etc.-sortuv an uncomfortable "gotta have the last word" thing.

I think this goes along with Cindy asking Casey in a jailhouse visit, "Why didn't SHE ever come back to get the car? It doesn't make sense". Casey must have convinced her it wasn't she who left the car there, and Cindy was implying that Casey did not willingly leave her purse, there must be foul play.

Cindy has a very very poor ability to understand the cold hard facts when LE is presenting to them to her. It is hard to discern (at that point) if she was believing some of the lies Casey had told her or if she is knowingly lying to cover for her. Yuri sits with her literally showing her letters/e-mails from seven different companies, this person doesn't exist, that person doesn't exist, Casey hasn't had wages reported to the government for x amount of time, this person never worked here, we know Casey hasn't ever been to Jacksonville, she has been right here in the greater Orlando area, and what does Cindy come up with? Well yes, she has been there before with me..... (speaking about something far removed in time and totally irrelevant to this time period), much like you said just needing to control and get the last word in, clutching to some little bit of truth mixed in to the big fantasy of lies. Watching her trying to clutch to details Casey may have provided that MAY have an ounce of truth is like a elusive sheet blowing in the wind while the puppy tries to grab it off the clothes line. Of course as the months go on, we see her telling purposeful lies and in the deposition, wow, we saw what went on there. The changes over the months was compelling. I believe it is because once they knew for sure Caylee was dead they went in to save Casey mode. inho

 

[Searchfortruth]

Thanks so much Leila. ITA and that is what I was getting at. CA chooses everything she believes and her beliefs are from her feelings, not the facts placed before her. She make up her own facts from her feelings. Everything you have added is what I was thinking. Everyone of CA's "facts" needs to be looked at and made clear as to what is fact and what is fiction (feelings). She mentions eyes a couple of times. The love in KC's eyes and she also said something like, something in Caylee's eyes, yet sunglasses where quite the thing in there home. I have never seen so many sunglasses especially for a baby. Maybe the sunglasses hid what they were really feeling, you can't see the eyes. Sorry OT, but thanks again.:blowkiss:

Re: bolded portion...It really does seem like Cindy constructs her own reality and is able to ignore the evidence against Casey. How she is able to do this, I don't understand. Is it all an act, deep down she knows the truth, but lies to everyone else in an effort to make Casey look less guilty ? Notice I am unable to say "innocent" and choose the term "less guilty" in it's place. Does she not realize that most people don't believe a word she says ? How does someone live a lie everyday of their life ? Sorry, got OT here too.

 

[The World According]

All of the above, droning on and on sure reminds me of her daughter!!!! If I talk enough and give enough detail, they will believe me.....

Exactly, one can see easily if this behavior was modeled in her home for 22 years where the seeds of the pathology begin. Casey is Cindy Jr. in boots. I think she lies for her daughter so because she recognizes her fault in raising her. The FBI agent even told George that the one thing that stood out to him about Cindy is that it was VERY important for her (Cindy) to be perceived as having been a good mother. Even now, she has to know all of these conflicting acts and the media tours for the foundation are making things worse for her daughter, so it is all about HER. I thought it was interesting that the way she first explained Jesse and Casey is the same story, jump forward a few years and trade out the name Jesse for Jeff. Cindy told LE that Jesse worked at Universal/Jeff worked at Universal, Jesse was dating someone else who was going to babysit for Casey (after he broke off with her and went to Casey) just as Jeff was dating someone else who was a babysitter (Zenaida) and by coincidence she too agreed to babysit her ex boyfriend's new girl's child. She tells both of these stories to seasoned FBI and Law Enforcement Detectives within a two hour period and pretends not to notice how ridiculous the similarities are. I remember laughing aloud to myself when listening to her, and yet at the same time I felt sorry for her wondering how in the world she would ever sleep again. I was so hoping, at the memorial, it seemed that the Anthony's had had a religious transformation, but if they had, it was very short lived.

 

[Just Jayla]

I think this goes along with Cindy asking Casey in a jailhouse visit, "Why didn't SHE ever come back to get the car? It doesn't make sense". Casey must have convinced her it wasn't she who left the car there, and Cindy was implying that Casey did not willingly leave her purse, there must be foul play.
Cindy has a very very poor ability to understand the cold hard facts when LE is presenting to them to her. It is hard to discern (at that point) if she was believing some of the lies Casey had told her or if she is knowingly lying to cover for her. Yuri sits with her literally showing her letters/e-mails from seven different companies, this person doesn't exist, that person doesn't exist, Casey hasn't had wages reported to the government for x amount of time, this person never worked here, we know Casey hasn't ever been to Jacksonville, she has been right here in the greater Orlando area, and what does Cindy come up with? Well yes, she has been there before with me..... (speaking about something far removed in time and totally irrelevant to this time period), much like you said just needing to control and get the last word in, clutching to some little bit of truth mixed in to the big fantasy of lies. Watching her trying to clutch to details Casey may have provided that MAY have an ounce of truth is like a elusive sheet blowing in the wind while the puppy tries to grab it off the clothes line. Of course as the months go on, we see her telling purposeful lies and in the deposition, wow, we saw what went on there. The changes over the months was compelling. I believe it is because once they knew for sure Caylee was dead they went in to save Casey mode. inho

CA is weaving quite a tangled web, and ITA with the bold above.....If there is a grain of truth, CA takes it and connects it in her mind with the next grain of truth, and then the next, and so forth.....Until she has a distorted but slighty discernable picture of a new truth. A truth that she will smugly keep to herself because the rest of the world is too ignorant to understand.

She is purposely subverting her own graduate school-educated mind, and common sense did not leave the building, she kicked it out on it's behind.

Sheer, unadulterated Anger.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Thanks Mare10,
Several people have suggested that CA just made up the story at the depo,but I recall her talking about it very early on in the case.She was talking about how LE was misrepresenting facts and she used that as an example.I believe she said she found some numbers for Zanny and gave them to an officer,but in his report the officer stated he found the numbers in KC's car.So the story about having numbers for Zanny didn't first pop up in the depo.

I thought I remembered Cindy talking about this in one of the interviews and it's here in her FBI Interview...Sorry about all of the run on sentences but, well "you know" it's Cindy, she doesn't take pauses or breaks.

FBI Interview w/ Cindy Anthony

part 2, http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html


CA, "The other red flag with the Sheriff's Dept. they told us right away, right that very first night after Casey was taken into custody and the next day they said that they could only find one Zenaida F. G. in this area, and they checked it out in Kissimmee. Well since then you know people have been pulling up records and people searches from all over and there's at least nine in Orlando and four or five in Ft. Lauderdale and New York. Casey said from the beginning that Zanny was from New York, she'd been, had a Ft. Lauderdale connection she had a Ft. Lauderdale phone number, at one time um there was New Jersey connections, there's New Jersey um people by the same name, so I'm just saying there are people out there just because they didn't find someone right now with this and Casey had told me over the last three years that Zanny had moved at least three differant times that I was aware of. Ok, I was actually the one that gave the police, um, the last known number, address incase I ever needed to go pick Caylee up, out of my address book and in his report, in Melich's report it says as a note the initial responding deputy's had found a hand written note with the address of 232 Glenwood in the defendant's car parked at my arrival. Well that's not true, they knew, they had an addess that Casey had provided them that was real close to that area when that didn't pan out I said wait a minute, I think I have an address, I went into my kitchen, pulled out my address book and pulled out that yellow sticky note that had the Glenwood Ave. address and walked it out and said I just got this out of my address book try this one. So you know, I mean just things like that, that's a misstatement right there. Bottom line is that 232 Glenwood Ave. that's the address of the person who I think is a part of all this."