Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #13

[Leomoon80]

Again, if you read my original post, you will see I suggested that I have pity for her,
because of precisely this, "the mental illness" which to me is obvious as I've outlined,but in no way would I ever have defended the act of murder OR suggest she not be prosecuted for the act.

The concept of "she's just plain evil" however, I don't buy and that she is "100% in control of her faculties" I don't buy either.

This is what some of the media would have you believe.

One can hate an act, yet still find empathy and even pity and sorrow for the fact that the person could have been helped, rather then delayed to the point of no return

I do not for a moment, believe that Caylee would want her mother hated by the majority of people for her mental gyrations. Nor do I hate her for them. I simply hate the "act" of murder and there is a huge difference. One can hate the actions and not the person.
And find pity for the person whose mental(abnormality) imbalances brought them to such an act.

 

[Paulette]

Casey has asteroid "Child" 22:34 Aquarius trine "Narcissus" 22:32 Libra. That's how I see her. A big child that's in love with herself. In a document I read, she was to meet a boyfriend at a store. She had Caylee in tow. She walked through the door & let it slam on Caylee, leaving her outside the store. The boyfriend witnessed this. (jaw dropping to the floor)

Asteroid "Caylee" 12 Libra opposses her Venus 12:51 Aries. Google has a zillion articles on the Venus in Aries woman for anyone interested. For Caylee it was a death sentence.

Leomoon, we share an 11 Libra Neptune, but mine isn't linked to my Mercury or Moon. Poor me. So it's impossible to feel pity for Casey. BUT, I could break down & fell sorry for her if she was remorseful, That's the only thing that stirs me and a lot of other people too. No remorse, no pity.

I googled "Mental Illness Astrology" & a book was recommended, "Signs of Mental Illness" an Astrological and Psychological Breakthrough. He promises to tell us the astrological markers for mental illness in the charts of Princess Diana, Marshall Applewhite, Charles Dickens, Mike Wallace, and others. (I just had to put that last bit in since I've never suspected Charles Dickens or Mike Wallace of being mentally ill.)

We might be more sympathetic to Casey if we could see where in her chart mentall illness is.

 

[Leomoon80]

Paulette:

I hope that book wasn't by M.Gibson? IF so, don't waste your money, wish I didn't.

p.s. many seriously ill people, have no remorse for what they "see" as normal behavior under a particularly abnormal lifestyle.
Casey has loads of incidents of those "abnormal" behaviors many of which has been exploited on TV for over 2 yrs now.

IF mental illness involves not having a conscience as a "sane person" might have, then how can you or any others, expect them to express the same remorse that a "well minded" person might?

Using logic here., not just Neptune in Libra I don't have the conjunction to the Moon, but my lovely libra Sun husband does
(very fair minded) with Scorpio (natural sleuth) Rising, DOES! Yet even he still can see the abnormality rather easily in Cayce's behaviors. As he pointed out , WHO would (when normal thinking) take the police to her "office" that doesn't exist in real time?
What they (if this is proof of observable mentally sane behavior) would the opposite (abnormal) person do instead?

It's there for anyone to see and observe, publically for over 2 yrs., her behaviors have been rather questionable to say the least.



Leomoon

 

[Jenny60123]

Paulette:

I hope that book wasn't by M.Gibson? IF so, don't waste your money, wish I didn't.

p.s. many seriously ill people, have no remorse for what they "see" as normal behavior under a particularly abnormal lifestyle.
Casey has loads of incidents of those "abnormal" behaviors many of which has been exploited on TV for over 2 yrs now.

IF mental illness involves not having a conscience as a "sane person" might have, then how can you or any others, expect them to express the same remorse that a "well minded" person might?

Using logic here., not just Neptune in Libra I don't have the conjunction to the Moon, but my lovely libra Sun husband does
(very fair minded) with Scorpio (natural sleuth) Rising, DOES! Yet even he still can see the abnormality rather easily in Cayce's behaviors. As he pointed out , WHO would (when normal thinking) take the police to her "office" that doesn't exist in real time? What they (if this is proof of observable mentally sane behavior) would the opposite (abnormal) person do instead?

It's there for anyone to see and observe, publically for over 2 yrs., her behaviors have been rather questionable to say the least.



Leomoon

Respectfully bolded by me.

Leomoon, kudos to you for trying to make us feel sorry for Casey. I can't say I agree, but I can appreciate the stance of speaking for one so many despise.

The way I see the thing with her taking LE down to her office is that Casey truly believed at some point, before they got to the end of that hall, that LE were going to start buying into her BS. Then when they got to the end of the hall she simply went with whatever she thought of at that time. I see this as her being used to telling George and Cindy all kinds of off the wall things and having it go without question. I see Casey as a manipulator. She is so used to playing people that she felt this was going to be a piece of cake.

Should George and Cindy have upped their parenting skills? Heck yeah! For sure. What I think they ignored was the fact that their child would rather lie, cheat, and steal, than to ever grow up and accept one iota of responsiblity. Not so much that she was mentally unstable. A manipulator, hands down. Mentally ill? Just can't see it.

After having read every document since this case started there's far too much information/evidence to the contrary.

I can't feel sorry for Casey. She lives and breathes and has moved on to manipulating new people. Her 'friends' in the clink. No. Every sorry feeling I have is reserved for Caylee. The baby no one is standing up for but LE.

God Bless you little sweet baby girl. No one can hurt you anymore. :angel:

 

[Leomoon80]

thank you for your rather polite way of saying you disagree with me, but with understanding, and that is to your credit.
Of course I feel terribly for the victim, Caylee....that's a given.

We can agree to disagree however about the state of Casey Anthony's mental state.

I simply prefer the benefit of the doubt and apparently my intellectual alternative/ counter arguement has been
rather weak for many to either accept or believe, including my astrology.

I can accept that......but I also pray for her as well as the victims, even though I'm not a professed Christian, I do believe (and trust) in all he said and act accordingly to the best of my ability.

As for this quote:

The way I see the thing with her taking LE down to her office is that Casey truly believed at some point, before they got to the end of that hall, that LE were going to start buying into her BS.

Personally I cannot get into the head of another human being, and decide WHAT they were thinking and how and why they thought it. But I'm not Ann Rule either (who does this often enough in her best sellers) and cannot do this, nor would I want to, even for money.

This is (in my opinion only ) a mark of a seriously disturbed young woman.

People with logic AND manipulative behaviors, think logically first, while manipulating or trying to manipulate others. This was not the behavior of a logically thinking, normal person.
(whatever the rule of normal is today)



Leomoon

 

[Jenny60123]

thank you for your rather polite way of saying you disagree with me, but with understanding, and that is to your credit.
Of course I feel terribly for the victim, Caylee....that's a given.

We can agree to disagree however about the state of Casey Anthony's mental state.

I simply prefer the benefit of the doubt and apparently my intellectual alternative/ counter arguement has been
rather weak for many to either accept or believe, including my astrology.

I can accept that......but I also pray for her as well as the victims, even though I'm not a professed Christian, I do believe (and trust) in all he said and act accordingly to the best of my ability.

As for this quote:


Personally I cannot get into the head of another human being, and decide WHAT they were thinking and how and why they thought it. But I'm not Ann Rule either (who does this often enough in her best sellers) and cannot do this, nor would I want to, even for money.

This is (in my opinion only ) a mark of a seriously disturbed young woman.

People with logic AND manipulative behaviors, think logically first, while manipulating or trying to manipulate others. This was not the behavior of a logically thinking, normal person.
(whatever the rule of normal is today)



Leomoon

Thanks Leomoon! I was trying to be delicate while still disagreeing. LOL. No disrespect intended.

You astrologers are the ones with the gifts. I just come here to learn from all of you. It's FASCINATING how each different astrologer can see different things in similar or the same charts. Thank you for sharing.

You are right that I can't get into Casey's mind. I was more going with my impression of how she acts, going by the information i've read. I could certainly be wrong. Just my opinion.

 

[lolipop]

Nah Casey is just a liar, thief, and used to being center of attention and Caylee got in the way of what she wanted to do, she was mad at her mom that night and poor little Caylee was probably crying for grandma and that's what sent her over the edge, mentally ill I don't think so, spoiled brat, probably with anger issues when she dosen't get her way(Adult temper tantrum).

 

[LambChop]

Good Lord KC wants to get pregnant again. She wants another stab at it. Granted she has some mental problems as all killers do....it is not normal to murder people. But feel sorry for her, NOT. Not even pity. She uses people, abuses people and sometimes leaves them with feelings that something in them has been destroyed. What she has is a personality disorder big time. No amount of medicine, counseling, therapy, kindness, concerns or physical abuse would change her. She is what she is. If she gets out she will go right back and pick up where she left off only in an RV this time. Look out folks she'll be mobile. JMO

 

[Zoe Bogart]

With all due respect, and I do appreciate ALL of Leomoon's comments, opinions, and astrological insight, our astrologers who have been posting on this case since housemouse began our astrological threads have been giving us accurate information. They have been SPOT ON so far. So I do trust their postings. I appreciate you, Leomoon, are looking deeply into this, looking at all angles. Other astrologers have done the same and have been very careful what they post, as I'm sure you are, too. At times we've had astrologers who've joined us with differing opinions, and we do try not to send them away because of it. We only seek the truth, so looking at this case from all angles is good.

Casey has been evaluated by specialists and has been determined not to fall into the state's category of "mentally ill" or "insane" or however they put it. Casey can read and write and understand as well as fits the norm. They have determined she does know the difference between right and wrong. Her lies show she creates them to stay out of trouble. She has a history of lying to get herself out of trouble (reasoning) and she has a long habit of lying to create illusions of a greater Casey to other people. We know her family has accepted her lies all her life, without challenge. We've seen it demonstrated by the family.

She may be "cracked", something other than the usual "normal", but she knows what she's doing, and has no true remorse. She also knows how to play others. We've read about how she's manipulated people over and over and over, with some skill. That's not the work of someone who is truly mentally challenged.

She is exactly like my husband's relative, "Jane". I've seen that from the moment Caylee's "disappearance" was reported and they started releasing Casey's statements to the press, releasing the phone calls and jailhouse interviews. Ironically, Casey and Jane share birth data. Looking at and listening to Casey is like looking at and listening to Jane and even scarier is that people always believed both of them until it was too late. Fortunately, with Jane, she gave her children to their fathers who love them and take good care of them. The children have good families today. Jane is out during her own thing.

Just for the record, my Libra Neptune with aspects to Moon and Mercury says Casey knows exactly what she's been doing all her life, and she knows what she did to Caylee. She just didn't think far enough in advance to carry out properly disposing of the evidence, and her followup on why Caylee was no longer in the picture.

 

[LambChop]

Leomoon you must be a very sensitive person and I admire you for it. I have a niece who has the same problem KC has and she is also in jail...not the first time. Although my niece did not commit murder she is where she belongs because she just is not fit for society. She cannot behave and obey the rules because they do not apply to her. Sometimes people are broken and you just cannot fix them. As for my niece, show her some pity and she will use it against you. JMO

 

[21merc7]

asksleuth;

KC probably comes out in evals (on State and Defense) as okay. Hate to say that, but probably true. Of course since Nejame said she should go insanity, defense can work that one in, even with the evals. I don't mind that, at this moment and then, she never had a clear mind. It just seems she should now, but I must remind everyone, once in jail there is a syndrome where people cannot develop further (under devoloped?). You don't have to be in jail for it to happen.

We should ask what is forth coming now. I would love to know!

 

[FifthEssence]

Yes, lets move forward.

We all have opinions and interpretations as to her make-up and that which motivates her.
This conversation about KC and her mindspace (the psychology of it all) has received enough attention here in the Astro Forum.
If anyone wishes to discuss this further, please take it out to the main forum where there surely is a thread that discusses her mentality/insanity, whatever.

Back to ASTROLOGY.

Thank you.

 

[Khaki_Pants]

astrologically speaking, what is next for the Anthony family, (the ones on the outside?) Where do they go from here? Seems a tad bit messier than it was before. I hope George holds up and can even change some behavior patterns. He needs it.

 

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The first post is for George and the second for Lee, both from p. 13 of this thread.

 

[Tuba]

Brad Conway is speaking to the jailhouse letters and notes on behalf of the Anthonys but Cindy will not long maintain her silence. The Full Moon this month is 8° Scorpio in exact square to Cindy's Uranus at 8° Leo. I believe this to be a rising planet, well within her First House but even if it were tucked away, the culminating Moon will bring utterances from her as the family organ. From the involved Signs, Leo of childhood and Scorpio of sex, it is easy to divine what is prompting speech.

Saturn is already back in Virgo as of 1:49 p.m. Wednesday, April 7. In that position, Saturn takes a far more direct opposition to Uranus in Pisces. They are less than a degree apart in their confrontation. Both major planets aspect Cindy's Mercury, her Mars, her Nodes, her Pluto. Even if no program signs her for an interview, she will come on the air but I believe it will be by invitation.

By next weekend, Mars will transit her Uranus, Uranus her Mars, while the Moon is in her Sun Sign. She is fried to the hat, fried to the tips of her new blonde bob, which is standing on end and we will hear about it. I don't personally know anyone who would not speak out if her household was charged with incest. That will be the weekend of April 16, 17 and 18. A time of opportunity and provocation to speak out and Cindy's got the wind in her jaws.

 

[Tuba]

Last year, smolea looked ahead and asked about the effect of Jupiter conjoining Uranus opposite Saturn and now the Saturn - Uranus opposition is fast closing and doing so over & above Prisoner's Sun. In fact, this is the month when that flying bar bell is at its tightest on the Scheat Sun.

What is further of interest now, we are facing a New Moon while the most significant transit, the one above, is in place. The N.M. is 24°27' Aries, which leaves a solstice point of 5:33 Virgo. Now that solstice point is not an empty place in space. No, one of the centaur bodies, Elatus, is there at present. In Prisoner's case, he is representing all the jail writings and conversation with inmates. Importantly, this centaur opposes the prisoner's Jupiter, activating and galvanizing it on the New Moon. Elatus also squares her natal Antares Saturn. So we are going to witness the interplay of Prisoner's Jupiter - Saturn square at the same time Saturn opposes her and Uranus conjoins her.

So, the Jupiter - Saturn square from birth is now tripped off powerfully. What does that bring? We can predict that the failure to foresee and the overreach will trip her and her Team but that the push comes first and then, from slow & patient Saturn, the fall. So watch for her (& hers) to press their luck. Since her natal Saturn and Chiron are opposed, expect a display of Prisoner as victim as well.

From the solar transits alone (Uranus & Saturn to Sun), we know Prisoner is balking at restraints as never before. More and more inconsistencies in the defense approach and strategies will be on view. Watch for her and her Team to try to steal a march and in doing so, expose their flank.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Listening to Steph Watts' show and they mentioned George and Cindy were out today passing flyers the missing Nadia Bloom in Winter Springs. Interesting. Just thought the astrologers would like to know the As are keeping busy.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

 

[smolea]

hey...i'm smolea!

i asked a good question last year???

...i should fight crime... :]

 

[Tuba]

The Sun now opposes Mr. Baez, not only lighting up his interior but deserting him standing alone. This happens annually to all of us and it is the optimal moment for a check-up.

He has come through a harsh, rocky patch when too much was demanded of him. Whenever our Jupiter is stressed by squares, inconjuncts and oppositions, life and whoever is in your life, impose upon you and simply put, ask too much. Rocking, rollicking, radical and rebellious Uranus has been picking Mr. Baez for its special target for months and months as it opposed his Jupiter at 24:23 Virgo. One revelation, one refusal, one requisite and then more resistance that knocks you for a row of ashcans. Always bear in mind this is a man who, being Libran, likes to maintain his balance. The cooperation he hoped for never arrived, package lost in the mail.

There were so many distractions coming in from all sides that structure and strategy and method were threatened due to neglect. Last I checked, there are only twenty-four hours in the day. But underneath the zig-zag, harum scarum confusion and chaos, Mr. Baez was conducting, in over drive, a powerful search for an avenue to success. There are no street signs on his road map.

The presence of his Pluto beside that much abused Jupiter has only increased the complications of the case. Pluto's energy fragments and factionates The Team. Umpty farads per diem. Of course, Baez being executive overseer is blamed for the sparks from dissension. He, more than most, being Libran realizes the ultimate danger of taking risks with the strategy. He is solidly averse to tipping the case over.

As discussed when comparing Lyon to Baez, he is the party with the Uranus in Libra, which overwhelms her Sun-Mercury combustion. But where has Saturn been, in viewing matters below? Right, from that same spot in space that joins the two attorneys! This has produced high tension that crackles; after all, Mr. Baez put this case together, this team together, and brought in the client and he has some global ideas that are his, just from the long familiarity and experience of defending the prisoner. His Leo Moon sees matters in the large and has the ability to integrate them. The particulars of implementing them are the demands requiring outside assistance. It would cost him terribly to simply submit and obediently suppress his own thinking on the case. That way lies depression and failure--and what is sometimes worse, a grotesque sense of failure.

Now there is to be seen in this attorney the proper counter-weight to his Sun - Mercury in Libra. He has Saturn opposite and this helps to ground the flights of his airy Sun Sign. Just like a plank on a fulcrum, it will rock but it will not fall. If a moose ambles by and sits on it, a precarious shift may occur but the plank, once free, quietly rocks back into position and balance.

 

[Oldsoul2]

Ugh! Unfortunately the world has to hear Cindy again go on and on about how wonderful her daughter is and how that never happened in their home and was said because KC is under stress because of "us" blah blah....I can already predict it. Does this woman have anything intelligent to say?