Forensic Astrology - LINDSEY BAUM missing McCleary,WA 6/26/09 #1

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Thank you Tuba for allowing this train of thought about the suspects. I'm not sure if you have the new info relating to the private Search & rescue dog hired by the family. The handler Harry Oaks turned over the results of his dog hitting LB scent very close to home. A part of me is asking if LB did arrived home that night and was actually fleeing because she was in trouble or brother was bugging in that physical rough house way. Someone with a car went to get her saying "Your mother wants you home" and whisk she is gone. This is just a possible theory to slueth. From the research I'v done on behaviors 3 women had major turmoil going on within the home. I'm also wondering if this is the reason LB's dad has not returned, because Le may have told him the investigation starts within the home? Just a possibility, once again. So many questions concerning little Lindsey's daily life as she appears so resilient.
 
Tuba said:
kagey, astrologically none of the women has been cleared. The focus has veered from Lindsey's mother only because she lacked wheels that evening and night; that does not rule out assistance from someone, however. She seems too young to register as Saturn but attitudes might in the odd instance overwhelm the age determinant. Attitudes like selfishness, icy heartless ways of relating to ones child, ambition.
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Seeing my same thoughts concerning Mom B and her affect in print has help free me for the day. I have spent time writing down in a brief all post by all the astros to put a profile together relating to each of these women as I feel one realizes they may hold a key. I don't know how to multi-quote each post for referencing but the post are: # 160, #164, #166 -#172 #197, - #200, #212, #, #213, #215, #216 and then my barron the mastiff pawed my keyboard. I was thinking the shorter version of each post catalogged to read be read consequtivly a brite lightbulb may go off. I'm wondering if school authorities keep MB's personality on their minds? MB does have a son that requires help throughout his entire education. She may have had to squeek a wheel or two for better programs with in the K-8 school. and also may have had to meet with school officials if her son was a behavior problem. This is not pointing to JB a minor harming his sister, but may relate to Mom B being unhappy and trapped in parenting causing such a flat affect with signs of depression. Depression is anger projected at self or someone. This type of passive agressive personality are prone to outburst. in my knowledge opinion. I saw this within MB in her first interview.
 
Thank you for the report on the Harry Oaks dog search done privately. I had heard nothing about that.

kagey, is there any evidence beside that of the neighbor who had Lindsey use her phone concerning favoritism in the home toward Josh?
 
Nothing has been acknowledged in the press or in the rumor mill to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean that there are some who may know more. The only thing that made me take a look into JB an adolescent was his age, reports by many who said words to the effect that his maturation was a bit younger than 12 yrs. When Lindsey's my space profile stated that she was glad that her (12yr. old) brother was going to Juve. Juve for what? Then someone pointed out that Lindsey said she grew her fingernails out to protect herself. If you have or have not worked on an inpatient locked adolescent unit these words by a 10 yr. old makes you wanna go Hmmm. It has been reported by posters that JB suffers with Aspergers and possible personality disorder accompanied. From my understanding of this dual diagnosis I found that this could make for an explosve home life but as for the Baum Family I wouldn't know.
 
Among other things, the following remark MB made to the press has bothered me by it's transparency:

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Thursday Lindsey’s mother said if a stranger kidnapped Lindsey Baum, the girl would have put up a fight.

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

(from this article at King5)

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_070309WAB-mccleary-KS.5459255.html

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What bothers me the most, is that I come away with the impression that MB wants to portray JB as a "victim" at a time when Lindsey is the real victim in this case.

It also gives me the impression that any sort of violence between the siblings was either 1) not taken seriously (coldheartedness?), or 2) the parent had already chosen sides or was giving wide berth to an older brother picking on a younger sister. Either way, my question is WHY?

Granted, MB might have made this comment off-handedly and regrets saying it the way she did. But it's not this single comment that has given me an uncomfortable feeling.

Tuba, just from what little I know about the influence of Saturn in it's lengthy orbit, I would tend to agree with you about it's possible influence with MB. The way I understand it, if proper discipline (whether it be self-discipline or obedience to a higher authority) is disregarded, then life lessons will end up being learned the hard way.
 
corallaroC, Thank you for the link. I watched the video yesterday but for the life of me I couldn't remember where. When I heard this statement I about fell out of my chair. I t was the way it was said, almost like she interjected those words for a reason. In less something changes my personal opinion is JB would be an easy mark to manipulate. It has been said he is very social, like at the first private search. W/S member stated he was a handful and even Mark Klass was becomming perturbed . Short attention spand but happy is what I came away with after reading this private message. Bless this boy because no matter how he has to learn to navigate life, for now it will be without his sister's help.
 
I might as well go ahead and mention a couple more things that have bothered me...

My first impression of MB was that she was downright honked-off at her daughter, as if Lindsey had pulled some sort of "run-away stunt" simply to embarrass her.

Then, when I noticed the little brother walking up behind his mother during a television interview - carrying his fishing pole, and IMO an odd expression on his face - I felt a very bad vibe there. (video link below)

http://www.nwcn.com/video/index.html?nvid=375510

Here we were, in the early days of Lindsey's disappearance... the nearby creek was being searched repeatedly by LE, and her brother is maybe thinking about going fishing? Hasn't this mother talked with her son about the possibility that Lindsey may have been kidnapped?

Over and over again, we hear from multiple sources who say this child is still being given quite a bit of freedom to do as he pleases, often with inapprioriate behavior being observed.

I mention these things here on the forensic astrology thread, because I'm talking about emotions - and feelings - and vibes - and the tender receptors we have within ourselves for subtle energies. For some people, it's through the emotions that astrological influences can be perceived in daily life...

... and how we Choose to deal with not only the influences, but also the emotions.

I'm sorry if I seem a bit callous toward MB or JB, actually I feel a lot of compassion for both of them.
 
Thanks everyone for all the get well wishes! :rose:'s For Everyone! :rose:'s

Still fighting both eye infections along with a very severe fibro flare & migraine. :ouch: :banghead: Looking at eye surgery for one of the infections on the 24th of September...the infection isn't going away. :eek:
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GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Search continues for McCleary girl
Published September 14, 2009
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Volunteers searched areas throughout Western Washington for missing McCleary girl Lindsey Baum over the weekend but didn't find any clues, said Linda Walkut, a volunteer with the Laura Recover Center for Missing Children.

Walkut said 25 to 30 people searched Friday, about 75 searched Saturday and about 60 were involved Sunday, venturing as far away as Portland to look for Baum, who has been missing for nearly three months.

The search effort recently received a boost when a McCleary church donated a trailer that can be used as a headquarters, Walkut said.

&#8220;We&#8217;ll be having bigger searches now,&#8221; she said. &#8220;We&#8217;ll start scheduling them in about three weeks.&#8221;

A candlelight vigil for Baum is set for about 7 p.m. Sept. 26 at the Park & Ride facility on Mommsen Street in McCleary, Walkut said.

For more information about the search for Lindsey and future searches, go to www.findlindseybaum.com.

Article:
http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/970121.html

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Tuba said:
Some questions we need to explore in trying to understand how this girl disappeared from the road: was the abductor aware Lindsey would be making for home up Maple Street and if informed, how? Or did he/she notice her by chance?

The Last Seen chart says there had been a problem between the child and the person denoted by Saturn earlier. That was when Mercury made the square to Saturn and was put down for something she was saying or doing. This was not just a disapproving older person, it is the same person who rules this event chart and who is responsible for Lindsey vanishing.

We have a timeline for her activities during that day but not the details. If there was an occurence where she was berated or chastised while at the pool or in the video store or anywhere, we do not know about it. We do know that she and her brother squabbled over his bike and we know that Mercury in II is rightfully two children, not one and that bicycles fall under II. We know this ding dong between the kids was halted and he was sent packing. This glimpse of her day does fit the Mercury Saturn square earlier but we cannot seize on it to the exclusion of other possibilities because we do not have similar glimpses into all of the interactions of June 26, not even those in the living room of the Kampen home.
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Couldn't sleep last night as the threads on several sites associated with Lindsey baum once again seem highly charged and a bit territorial. Personally I find some negitive chatter and the pomp and circumstance interesting in a sociologist sort of way of how the human condition is effected in these cases. When threads on the net seem to be divided on a who does more and the gains that allows non constructive critisim I ask myself, "Why such stirring of emotions going on. This has me pulling this post for a review of what this mightmean in the investigation at this point. Also I listened to a Mark Klass interview (video on post 154 ??) & he clearly states who ever is between the 2 homes should be throughly checked as this is where the answers are. I remain to keep hearing in interviews by LE & reporters that Lindsey was accompanied half way by a "couple of friends". This may very well be the two children that hold the key, whoever they may be? When the term caregiver is used in some of the cases the astros work on it never is a favorable outcome. I'm trying to harness my passion for the justice of Lindsey as this case may have one of the endings that can set one back emotionally. I see Lindsey as a sweeet girl who at a tender age was able to keep her fears under wraps all the while keeping a keen eye on her surroundings as she had a deep feeling that "something bad may happen" It seems who fears laid right in McCleary since May. Who would this astute child intouch with her emotions let her guard down with? It doesn't appear to be a stranger at all so why is Mom B not yelling from the roof tops that this person may still be among them. It seems there is point A & Point B & alot of gray area inbetween.
 
I'm chipping away at the charts and wondered if I could have help with a term that was used in a chart concerning searches. It went something like this, " hiding in house 12" I'm not sure what the definition is for the 12 for that day of search. To make sure what I have knowledge of is correct, could you gifted Astros link me to a page that defines the sign for female, sign for male, and most of all the sign that has the u above the female sign, or for that fact all astro symbols. I'm proof reading to organize my astro researching and want to tie a yellow ribbon around it for exzamination. Thanks so much! Must add I'm taking gasp of air working on this today.
 
Thank you Knox and hi CorallaroC. I truley have done a brief over the last few days concerning all the charts on Lindsey's astro thread. Maybe we can share ideas once I make sure what I think is, is! So glad you both are interested in this ~<3~
 
Hiding in H. 12~yes, I remember that. A key figure who holds information shifted from visible to lurking and "hiding in House 12" means this person was no longer open and notorious in action. A week before the Klaas search, I did a chart and this party of interest was in plain view. At the Klaas search, not. But then at open house, back on the scene which was a huge relief.

House 12 of any chart, natal, event, horary, lunar or solar return, is a place that is out of sight. That is just the nature of the House which is behind House 1. It does also refer to what has just gone past. The past is no longer before our eyes either.
 
I have a lot of respect for the work you do, Tuba. Your contributions here with Lindsey's case (and the many other cases you have charted) are deeply appreciated by many of us.

When it's about finding a missing child, any and all forms of knowledge need to be harnessed together as a whole. IMO, esoteric knowledge included.

It reminds me of the ancient maxim: "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."

What we have here are some clues that could be very important and certainly well worth taking into consideration.

Your charts have proven to be astonishingly accurate too!

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O/T Tidbit - for anyone interested - this concept is related to the "Golden Ratio" found in mathematics & the arts, and also in nature itself with the Nautillus shell for example!

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio[/ame]
 
It is all of our frustration that there is no information spigot delivering the case details when a crime takes place. As days & weeks go by, we learn times, locations, possible persons of interest, past history but all of this comes too late to save the victim. 72 hours has always passed and more. That is the sad angle to what is done here. Finding the perpetrator(s) is secondary to rescuing the missing person, morally. The Web Sleuths in the main forum must share this frustration.
 
"Saturned who planned this, shrewd and with his or her scythe reaped in the event" Is this scythe the actual two handed tool to cut grass or is scythe a metaphore? Also would Saturn be the disposter or would the dispositer be a helper? Cursty to all of you who can help me.
 
Tuba, as you have stated since the beginning Lindsey seems to have suffered more than we want to imagine. Everyone wants to rescue her and alot prayers seem to be going 24/7. There are terrific members in support of Lindsey from all walks of life that seem very determinded.
 
Saturn is known as The Reaper in astrology. On your Saturn return, every 29-30 years, you reap what you have sown in your life. His movement and aspects deliver a final accounting and he denotes the source of responsibility in an event or in a horary.

Dispositor is a term of art and he disposits the House 12 Pluto in the chart. House 12 Pluto takes us back to the person who acts from a position of authority, Scorpio on House 10. The Part of Misfortune is also at that cusp, House 10 of one in authority. Further, the Sun trines that Part from the Sign of the home and real estate.
 
Hi
I'm pretty new here so if I sound like I don't know what i"m talking about, well it's because I probabley don't. So here goes.
Is there a way an astrologer can ask a question like .....
Where is Lindsey today and get a good answer on this question?
Where ever Lindsey is at I hope she can feel all of our deep concern for her.
God Bless You Lindsey,
CaringYvonne
 
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