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[doubletrouble]

I dont think too much about pics & comments on a facebook or myspace account. I have made comments with Jeffry Dahmer's pic during Halloween time, and I have never eaten a corpse.

but there was a post on facebook of chloroform before the event happened to caylee and oddly enuf chloroform was found in car in high concentrations...now if there was decomp in your home or car? seems to be somehow tied imo

 

[Mendara]

i was just going to say this...no science is 100% thereforw you NEVER get 100% matches on ANY DNA testing. but once the experts get on the stand and explain the process a jury would understand better.

while this report released today was interesting...its really nothing that we "didnt already know" - and i am one to believe that it was released perhaps to help CA & GA come to terms with the fact that its "80% likely" that little Caylee is gone. i think they may be using the media to try and get thru to the A's...JMHO

Sorry _ meant to write: Did you just write that he said no science is 100% and that DNA isn't either??

 

[want2help]

Hey, did anyone else notice this from the Body Farm report?

Page 2 (1st paragraph re: air samples taken):

“An MSDS sheet, listing the ingredients of BlueStar, was obtained and evaluated by a chemist ... His conclusion was that the components of the product could not have contributed to the chemical signature obtained in these analyses.”


Page 8 (1st paragraph, re: estimating post-mortem interval from inorganic elements):

“The low concentration of sodium also indicates almost no contribution to the sample from the BlueStar product.”

WTH is BlueStar? Just wondering ...

http://www.evidentcrimescene.com/cata/blood/blood.html

 

[Chezhire]

I don't think that is what it means.....it does not mean that the casue of death had to do with lack of oxygen. It is the environment that the body began to decompose in was lacking oxygen.

Just saying there are a lot of WSers who considered this theory, and I thought that *prior to reading all the posts from those online with us now (thanks lizzysf!!!) who have a science background.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

OK, so what happened to the 'stain' in the trunk that was 'suspicious'??? This report doesn't prove much! I hope they have something more than this!! I am flabberghasted. Doesn't seem to be much evidence at all except for 1 hair that 'may' be Caylee's that 'might' come from a decomposed body. Who could convict on this? wow. It makes me sick!

I TOTALLY agree....I'm pretty disappointed. This stuff can be ripped to shreds by Koby. I hope to God they have A LOT more....like the DNA from the "mysterious stain" some news reports had mentioned.
I know gasoline would be a natural thing to find in a trunk, but maybe Casey was dumping it in there to get rid of the decomp smell and get rid of evidence, OR was planning on burning the car.

 

[Wine sleuth]

http://www.bluestar-forensic.com/

 

[Pondering Mind]

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We had a case here in Cleveland a couple of years ago where two little boys suffocated in their grams trunk.They were hiding and couldn't get out.If I remember right the family began to notice an odor.I'm sure any WS'er from the Cleveland area wlll remember this case.Story was in Plain Dealer for days..

Was that the case where they (including LE) were looking everywhere for the boys only to find out that they were in the trunk of the car, in the yard the whole time?

 

[want2help]

except jg said in his le interview that kc lived and reported her life on facebook for all to know

That's true, but I do, too. Im in the entertainment industry, and I practically live on FB & Myspace. Most people under the age of 30 do, too.

 

[sweetwater]

Seems like no one read this really so I figured I'd bump it up.

My cousin is in his last year of school to be a forensic pathologist. This is how he read the report. Interesting to note that he said ANY report you give has to say "concludes" because NO science is 100%. He said the tests are conclusive and he'd love to see someone argue against them.

I read it both time and really appreciate that you both took the time to do this.
Thank you!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Blink34]

k - i missed it - who is your original pick?

jo....

 

[Chezhire]

Yes, Chezhire, I think you're right.

So, if we followed that line of thought, this evidence we've seen today may/may not really shed much light on what happened... seems to me we need to see what happens re: any future GJ indictments... or whatever deals some person(s) might have made/might make in the future...

 

[magic-cat]

Sorry _ meant to write: Did you just write that he said no science is 100% and that DNA isn't either??

That is absolutely correct. You never get a 100% conclusion...99.999 is about as close as you get...

 

[butwhatif?]

You'd be perfect for JOse's jury, then.

I believe Caylee is dead. I believe Kc killed her.I believe that there is way more out there that wont be released until trial that is conclusive. FRom my iinterpretation this does not support the theory we have recently heard that Caylee was stuck in that trunk for 11 days. That to me is a massive relief. The idea of that is just too much to even think about.

My point is that when the anthonys see this they will see it as proof that she is still alive. The defence can poke heaps of holes in this, but that doesnt matter when at trial all of the evidence is taken into consideration.But this report alone is not as damning as I had expected.
Now I want to hear about the actual search on the computer, and its context..

 

[MOMto5]

Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

Thanks so much for posting this . It gave me a much better understanding of all the technical information and was very helpful.

 

[magic-cat]

jo....

Jesus? So you think she told the truth about that? What leads you to that conclusion blink?

 

[Noway]

Insomnia Momma, I read your post and thought it was very helpful. I'm sorry I didn't say so earlier ...

 

[WillenFan21]

OMG!!! I just thought of something.... I just got a new theory based on how some think the car was cleaned. OK if there was stain in the car trunk then could that have been what made the smell so bad? In other words remember Casey and all she talked about on like June 27 in a text to Amy was the smell? What if she cleaned the car then? Maybe that is what she was refering to when she said she got rid of the squirell?

 

[elfie]

Ok, he says about the 2.6 days. It appears as if this body was placed in the enclosed space of the trunk directly after death and left there in an unsealed container for 2 to 3 days per the test results. The body then could have remained in the enclosed space but was then placed in a recepticle to carry it, halting the decomp process on the fibers of the carpet in the trunk.

Many hairs were found, ONE with the death band/ The hair withthe death band also showed Chloroform in small traces. Interesting about the amout of Chloroform in the trunk, decomp DOES contain Chloroform but in miniscle amounts. With these results it shows someone had to have put pure choloroform in the trunk.

About the gasoline. It could only come in those levels if spilled or poured in the trunk, no way those vapors came from open containers, period. Which indicates to him that someone tried to clean with this agent.

The fact that there were 5 elements only found in human decomp is normal for this type of testing. Many of the agents WILL be similar to animals but will have other compounds that point to animal cadavers, NO other animal compounds were found, which concludes that this decomp can ONLY be human.

I asked abotu the sushi theroy so loved by some, he laughed at me. He said there is NO POSSIBLE way any of these compounds that point to human decomp come from fish, why do you think they compared it to a pig? The pig make-up is the closest to human found in the environment and NO OTHER pig elements were found ruling out a pig, where the hell do I get shushi from anyway? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard (says him).

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

Thanks so much, Insomnia Momma!

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I believe ONE hair is enough to convict. The stain appears to be in the trunk, maybe covered with gasoline? Appears someone was trying to clean/cover-up.

So sorry for posting almost the same thing....was typing and didn't go back to check what else was said while I was doing that !! :crazy:

 

[PaulaF513]

I think that it means that the decomposition took place in an oxygen deprived environment, not that the body was deprived of oxygen, so it started to decompose. Maybe someone with a better grasp on this can confirm.

Also, I wish they would just release the father's id. I'll be watching Fox for sure!

Where in the reports did it say they had DNA to identify the father? I keep going back and cannot find it. The DNA from the single hair contains mitochondrial DNA which is maternal and even that in the report is deemed "inconclusive".

Frankly, I hope they they have more definitive evidence than this report to uphold a first degree murder charge.