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Momoffourboys said:

Paris attacks show how hard it is to profile ISIS recruits
'A lot of these youth are drawn to that nation-building, Utopian vision'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/paris-attacks-radicalization-1.3321086
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Again, from this great link:
""We've had people — poor, rich, married, unmarried, mental illness, converts, not-converts — and so there's nothing really there in terms of profile," says Amarnath Amarasingam, a post-doctoral fellow who researches terrorism and radicalization at Halifax's Dalhousie University.

"What all of them do tend to have in common ... is youth, [with a] thrust towards meaning and purpose and significance. A lot of these youth don't feel like they fit into the broader society, they don't feel like they belong."
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So the author has picked out two separate "reasons" there but I can't agree that they both fit to all cases, just as there is apparently no typical profile.
If you think about youth movements through the C20th when youth expressed itself as a separate culture , what have been the draws? For "purpose & Meaning" aren't they political movements whether it's anti-nuclear, Communism before that & Spanish Civil War, then pop cultural movements - whether it is hippies, punks, rock n roll......? ( Just thinking out loud here)

Then as for "youth don't feel like they fit into the broader society", hasn't that been a feature for Western teenagers too, for decades.

We've all posted about gang culture etc on here in the last few days.....similarities between these "bands of brothers" ( and now sisters)......maybe we need to look at solutions which engage ALL young people...... I am thinking not of National Service as it was traditionally done, but a compulsory programme for young people that involves community service too, as part of education & training.....not just for young Muslims. What do posters think.
 
FindHG said:
"We will destroy them. We will take back land they are currently in, take out their financing, hunt down leadership, dismantle their networks, supply lines and we will destroy them."

[President] Obama said it "would be helpful" if Russia directed its focus on tackling Islamic State and he hoped Moscow would agree to a leadership transition in Syria that meant its president stepping down.
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That is so ridiculously out of touch with reality it is almost funny. Putin and Assad worked out a deal while our leader sat back and watched this disaster unfold and NOW he wants to start calling the shots? I can only imagine what Putin and Assad are thinking.

:facepalm:
 
What are the Arab states doing to stop ISIS - worth a read in it's entirety. by Ian Black,( M.East Editor)

Like the Saudis, the Qataris dismiss accusations they helped create Isis by recklessly financing and arming Islamist rebels in Syria in their zeal to see Assad go. Not everyone believes them. But no one doubts that they fear it now.

International efforts to fight Islamic State, galvanised by the Paris attacks, are putting pressure on Arab states to do more, a year after they first joined Barack Obama’s coalition to “degrade and ultimately destroy” the jihadi group.

But rivalry with Iran, disagreements over Syria, sectarian hatred and domestic public opinion are all acting as a brake on deeper involvement. US-backed Kurdish forces, Iraqi Shia militias and the Lebanese Shia Hezbollah have all battled Isis, known as Daesh to Arabs. Finding Sunni Arab ground forces is proving difficult.

And growing signs that military action against Isis is now taking precedence over the future of Syria and hopes that Bashar al-Assad will be forced out mean that it may well be impossible, say analysts and commentators from the Middle East and abroad.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-pressure-fight-isis-iran-syria-saudi-arabia
 
Horror, panic, heroism at Bataclan _ nexus of Paris attacks
By JAMEY KEATEN and RAPHAEL SATTER
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Nov. 22, 2015 5:46 AM EST

The attackers turned up at the Bataclan around 9:40 p.m...

The attackers strafed their way inside the concert hall, through the bar and merchandise counter, and straight to the pit, according to witness accounts — unleashing a torrent of gunfire...

As the attackers mowed people down, a police commissioner and his driver, learning from the police radio that they were near the site, sped to the concert hall before more elite teams could get there. The commissioner charged inside, traded fire with a gunman, and took him out of action before retreating so that special-operations teams could assemble.

It was a key action that slowed the pace of carnage, and may have saved scores of lives. While the Bataclan death toll of at least 89 was horrific, most of the partygoers survived. Two police officials said the commissioner wants to remain out of public view and is still recovering from the shock.

"It's their action that made it possible to stop the killing," Christophe Molmy, who heads the elite BRI police intervention squad, said of the police commissioner and his driver. When Molmy's rapid-reaction team arrived at 10:15, "there's no shooting, there's no noise, there's an oppressive silence inside the Bataclan."
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Inside, the remaining gunmen took hostages and used them as human shields or as go-betweens with police — ordered to tell the elite police teams to stay back. One concertgoer, who only gave his first name, Sebastien, was among the hostages. He said he inexplicably survived after a surreal face-to-face conversation with the attackers. Speaking on RTL radio, he said the extremists wanted to send a message of resistance to France's government for its role in coalition air strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria.

"They told us it was just the beginning. And that war was starting now. And they were there in the name of Islamic State," said Sebastien, who like other survivors has chosen to protect his identity. "Then they asked us whether we agreed with them. So I'll let you imagine the silence that followed. The timid ones nodded. The braver ones said 'yes.'"

Sebastien was forced into a tense conversation with attackers, which lasted an hour. One asked him whether he valued money, then held out a roll of bills and told him to burn it. He did as he was told. Sebastian first tried to use humor in the conversation, but dropped that after realizing that "at any moment a misplaced or misinterpreted word could mean death."

They spoke to police negotiators four or five times by phone, and their only demand was that the officers keep away...

The police intervention team, defying shouts from the attackers, fired precision shots at the gunmen in the space between two hostages, Sebastien said.

One officer lost a finger after a ricocheting bullet went through his hand.

Some police who moved in after it was all over said they were traumatized by the incessant ringing of cell phones scattered about the debris, blood and corpses, an officer said.

One screen showed a missed call from "Mom."
 
Rats leaving a sinking ship? Yesterday afternoon - arrests in Brussels
Six British men driving three old ambulances are arrested in Belgium after they are seen near an Esso petrol station used by fugitive terrorist Salah Abdeslam

Officers found clothes, food and money inside the ambulances which were parked beside the E411 highway in Bierges, raising fears they may have been heading to Syria, it was reported.
The arrested men, one of whom is known to British police, did not speak French but have cooperated with detectives, a Belgian police commissioner said

Police are investigating any link to ISIS because using old ambulances is said to be one of the terror group's methods to conceal jihadis
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-terrorist-Salah-Abdeslam.html#ixzz3sDkkOBv4

ie. These people were probably already in Brussels
 
A decade ago, she warned of radical Islam in Belgium’s Molenbeek
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3c8ce4-8d54-11e5-934c-a369c80822c2_story.html

Hind Fraihi, a Muslim and journalist who posed as a sociology graduate student, found that she could easily buy extremist literature urging people to take up arms to fight nonbelievers. She met young men being lured from lives of petty crime to violent jihad by local imams. And she interviewed a sheik who sent young men to a military training camp in southern Belgium’s scenic Ardennes and who was recruiting people to fight in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

Fraihi did all that 10 years ago and wrote about it in a five-part series called “Undercover in Little Morocco,” which appeared first in a Flemish newspaper and later was published as a book. It garnered a lot of notice, but little came of it in terms of policy changes.

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[video=youtube;JlkODwQFqs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkODwQFqs0[/video]

A young secular Muslim journalist goes undercover in the Muslim community in Belgium and the widespre.ad radicalization and willingness to use violence in the name of Islam among the second-generation of young Muslims shocked her. She discovers that the radicalization is not only occurring in areas of large Muslim concentration but also in the small rural hamlets among the few young Muslims living there. "It is a problem that has gone beyond cities; it has long since reached rural areas, and not only in Belgium."
 
Charles de Gaulle is the flagship of the French Navy(Marine Nationale) and the largest estern European warship currently in commission. She is the tenth French aircraft carrier, the first French nuclear-powered surface vessel, and the first and so far only nuclear-powered carrier completed outside of the United States Navy.

Thanks to her characteristics, Charles de Gaulle is the only non-American carrier-vessel in the world empowered to operate American aircraft such as the F/A-18E Super Hornet [SUP][7][/SUP] or C-2 Greyhound,[SUP][8][/SUP] which operate from American carrier-vessels.[SUP][9]

sailed the equivalent of 12 times around the world, spent 900 days at sea, and performed 19,000 catapult launches.[SUP][22][/SUP]

In 1993, it was alleged by The Guardian that a group of engineers inspecting the vessel during her construction were British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) operatives, believed to have been learning the method of shielding the nuclear reactors, amongst other technical details

On 16 September 2001 the French press reported slightly higher than acceptable radioactivity levels aboard Charles de Gaulle, thought to be caused by a faulty isolation element. It was later discovered that the radioactivity levels matched the design, but that the regulations concerning acceptable radioactivity levels had changed


While the United States was preparing its response to the September 11 attacksin the form of Operation Enduring Freedom, French media complained about the lack of deployable French military power. .........t, Charles de Gaulle, then under repairs, was again an object of criticism, with former President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing describing it as a "half-aircraft-carrier" requesting launching of the second carrier vessel (named PA2) in order to guarantee an availability rate of 100%.

On 21 November 2001, France decided to send Charles de Gaulle to the Indian Ocean in support of Operation Enduring Freedom againstTaliban-controlled Afghanistan. Task Force 473, with 2,900 men Overall they carried out 140 missions, averaging 12 per day.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] Approximately 770 sorties were carried out from the carrier

a distress call from the 8-metre Babolin, whose hull was leaking. Charles de Gaulle, on manoeuvres in the region, sent a helicopter that airlifted the three-man crew, despite 35-knot (65 km/h) wind, troubled sea, and bad visibility.

The aircraft carrier regularly participates in the annual bilateral naval exercises between the Indian and French navies[SUP][20][/SUP] called 'Varuna'.[SUP][21]

Charles de Gaulle's first major overhaul began in September 2007. The highlight of this 15-month refit was the refueling of the nuclear power plant,
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Sonya610 said:
That is so ridiculously out of touch with reality it is almost funny. Putin and Assad worked out a deal while our leader sat back and watched this disaster unfold and NOW he wants to start calling the shots? I can only imagine what Putin and Assad are thinking.

:facepalm:
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I like the, we will we will, then says if russia. jmo idk
 
Rivoting read thanx!

FindHG said:
Horror, panic, heroism at Bataclan _ nexus of Paris attacks
By JAMEY KEATEN and RAPHAEL SATTER
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Nov. 22, 2015 5:46 AM EST

The attackers turned up at the Bataclan around 9:40 p.m...

The attackers strafed their way inside the concert hall, through the bar and merchandise counter, and straight to the pit, according to witness accounts — unleashing a torrent of gunfire...

As the attackers mowed people down, a police commissioner and his driver, learning from the police radio that they were near the site, sped to the concert hall before more elite teams could get there. The commissioner charged inside, traded fire with a gunman, and took him out of action before retreating so that special-operations teams could assemble.

It was a key action that slowed the pace of carnage, and may have saved scores of lives. While the Bataclan death toll of at least 89 was horrific, most of the partygoers survived. Two police officials said the commissioner wants to remain out of public view and is still recovering from the shock.

"It's their action that made it possible to stop the killing," Christophe Molmy, who heads the elite BRI police intervention squad, said of the police commissioner and his driver. When Molmy's rapid-reaction team arrived at 10:15, "there's no shooting, there's no noise, there's an oppressive silence inside the Bataclan."
...

Inside, the remaining gunmen took hostages and used them as human shields or as go-betweens with police — ordered to tell the elite police teams to stay back. One concertgoer, who only gave his first name, Sebastien, was among the hostages. He said he inexplicably survived after a surreal face-to-face conversation with the attackers. Speaking on RTL radio, he said the extremists wanted to send a message of resistance to France's government for its role in coalition air strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria.

"They told us it was just the beginning. And that war was starting now. And they were there in the name of Islamic State," said Sebastien, who like other survivors has chosen to protect his identity. "Then they asked us whether we agreed with them. So I'll let you imagine the silence that followed. The timid ones nodded. The braver ones said 'yes.'"

Sebastien was forced into a tense conversation with attackers, which lasted an hour. One asked him whether he valued money, then held out a roll of bills and told him to burn it. He did as he was told. Sebastian first tried to use humor in the conversation, but dropped that after realizing that "at any moment a misplaced or misinterpreted word could mean death."

They spoke to police negotiators four or five times by phone, and their only demand was that the officers keep away...

The police intervention team, defying shouts from the attackers, fired precision shots at the gunmen in the space between two hostages, Sebastien said.

One officer lost a finger after a ricocheting bullet went through his hand.

Some police who moved in after it was all over said they were traumatized by the incessant ringing of cell phones scattered about the debris, blood and corpses, an officer said.

One screen showed a missed call from "Mom."
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In the first majority-Muslim U.S. city, residents tense about its future
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

It’s the second tipping for Hamtramck (pronounced Ham-tram-ik), which in 2013 earned the distinction becoming of what appears to be the first majority-Muslim city in the United States following the arrival of thousands of immigrants from Yemen, Bangladesh and Bosnia over a decade.

snip

And while Majewski advocated to allow mosques to issue calls to prayer, she understands why some longtime residents are struggling to adjust to the sound that echos through the city’s streets five times each day.

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Islam call to prayer in Hamtramck Michigan
[video=youtube;l4MIBzT4Pyg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4MIBzT4Pyg[/video]
 
French police extend questioning of suspect after attacks
PARIS, REUTERS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:16am EST

Investigators on Sunday extended into a fifth day the detention of a man arrested on Wednesday outside the building where the suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks died, the prosecutor's office said

Jawad Bendaoud told a French television station he had been asked to put two people up in his apartment for three days, but had no idea they had anything to do with terrorism. He was then taken away by police.
 
Elley Mae said:
"He needs to go after the people who killed Russia's citizens," Obama said of Putin

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ot-relent-in-fight-against-islamic-state.html

He said the Islamic State "can't beat us on the battlefield so they try to terrorize us into being afraid."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ot-relent-in-fight-against-islamic-state.html

bbm That is NOT what this is about. jmo
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From your link and I can't copy and paste sorry..
"U.S. led colation". Do we have one?
 
on and on it goes

The Crimean Peninsula, which seceded from Ukraine and rejoined Russia in March last year, has declared a state of emergency after its major electricity power lines from Ukraine were “blown up,” causing a power outage there.

The incident is the second of its kind over the past few days in the Black Sea peninsula. Ukraine’s news agency (UNIAN) reported that two of the main power lines into Crimea had been attacked on Friday.

“The nature of the damage shows that it took place as a result of shelling or the use of explosive devices,” Ukrenergo said in a statement.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/22/438653/Crimea-Russia-Ukraine-Ilya-Kiva

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Turkish plane diverted to Canada over bomb threat bbc

 
Re 8th terrorist :

In light of the fact that he could not blow himself up during the event , feeling trapped and afraid of both LE and organizer of the event, in conucntion with a city being closed to hunt him, I am startinig to wonder if , under the abovementioned stressers, he is dead in some apt.

Just overwhelmed and done
MOO
 
FindHG said:
French police extend questioning of suspect after attacks
PARIS, REUTERS
Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:16am EST

Investigators on Sunday extended into a fifth day the detention of a man arrested on Wednesday outside the building where the suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks died, the prosecutor's office said

Jawad Bendaoud told a French television station he had been asked to put two people up in his apartment for three days, but had no idea they had anything to do with terrorism. He was then taken away by police.
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humm credibility your honor:

Pause! Could it possibly be that a fter the biggest terrorist attack had occurred, and in a place known for terrorist activity, that shortly afterwards, someone asks you to put up two people you dont know , you do it (?) and then say you never pondered if their might be some correlation here.....................

Credibiltiy denied your honor !
 
here in the UK we have a referendum in 2017 as to whether we stay in the EU.
After the Paris attacks have shown the electorate the appalling ability of Europe to work together and the lax border controls I think this is going to harden public opinion.


Just a bit of context to show what the British PM is asking for from the EU in terms of immigration benefits & migrant quotas

"One proposal many leaders object to is that immigrants from EU states should wait four years before receiving in-work benefits such as tax credits and support for children living abroad. Officials and diplomats see that as discriminating between EU citizens on national grounds, which they say jars with basic EU treaty law.......Other EU leaders see him as failing to show solidarity on matters such as the influx of refugees to Europe and the euro zone crisis. Cameron has set an end-2017 deadline for a referendum on EU membership. In order to stay in, he says, London needs changes. "Many countries say they want more Europe, not less Europe. And Cameron wants less Europe. One EU diplomat said that, while most want to see Britain, the EU's second biggest economy, remain in the bloc, its demands posed complex problems."


Tax credits are means-tested top-ups to wages, as an extra £ benefit from the state.
Obviously our PM is not advocating removing all the other £ benefits, just these extra two.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/22/uk-britain-eu-negotiations-idUKKCN0TB08R20151122
 
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