France - Kim Kardashian held at gunpoint, Paris, 2016 *arrests*

[x_files]

Exactly. She even had her super long extensions in. If you were in bed, wearing only a bathrobe, then held at gunpoint, robbed, your life is spared, you're hysterical, give statement to police who arrived immediately, dash to your private jet for long PRIVATE flight home, when do you get dolled up, dressed in spike heels, and why? They showed her wearing the outfit and spiked heels walking to her private jet to leave. Wouldn't you throw on yoga pants and a sweatshirt? Have a makeup-less face?

Also, WHERE WERE ALL THE PAPARAZZI?? They would've made it impossible to escape unfilmed. Five masked men dressed as policemen leaving Kim's apartment on bikes? Paparazzi had been camped out in front of her hotel all week. The hotel with her sisters. The last night she changes to a private apartment away from her sisters, sends her bodyguard away, no paparazzi, and this happens? Super lucky thieves.

I agree, I'm sure she has to have designer yet comfy yoga pants or sweatpants, or track pants and sneakers and a comfy sweater. Last thing I'd want to do is put in hair extensions, full face makeup and high heels.
Why did she pick a hotel with zero security?

 

[Inthedetails]

Exactly. She even had her super long extensions in. If you were in bed, wearing only a bathrobe, then held at gunpoint, robbed, your life is spared, you're hysterical, give statement to police who arrived immediately, dash to your private jet for long PRIVATE flight home, when do you get dolled up, dressed in spike heels, and why? They showed her wearing the outfit and spiked heels walking to her private jet to leave. Wouldn't you throw on yoga pants and a sweatshirt? Have a makeup-less face?

Also, WHERE WERE ALL THE PAPARAZZI?? They would've made it impossible to escape unfilmed. Five masked men dressed as policemen leaving Kim's apartment on bikes? Paparazzi had been camped out in front of her hotel all week. The hotel with her sisters. The last night she changes to a private apartment away from her sisters, sends her bodyguard away, no paparazzi, and this happens? Super lucky thieves.

If it were an inside job - that Kardashian security somehow tipped off the thieves, they really had to throw the plan together quickly it seems. She moved to her own apartment that night (if that is true), gave the security the night off for some reason, had jewelry in an insecure place. They had to pull together the five guys and a few bikes. And figure out how to get in and out in a matter of minutes - while getting the victim from her bedroom to show them the jewelry and while a friend below the apartment heard the commotion without calling the police or coming upstairs herself to investigate. Oh, and knowing that the doorman would give them keys and knowing where to lock that doorman up.

The Kardashians post what seems like their every move online but I kinda doubt they would let it be known that Kim was alone with the jewelry that had been featured in her posts and without the security who had also been featured in her post. What timing that she posted about her security guard that very day.

And, the thieves somehow timed it to happen while Kanye was giving a concert, but far enough into the concert that he could dramatically walk off stage without having to refund tickets to the audience.

But, if the thieves did pull this off with what appears to be little advance notice of her being alone, they are good at what they do.

jmopinion at the moment.

 

[drdetective]

Has it been confirmed that she was staying elsewhere until that night? It does seem like such out-of-character behavior for her to be essentially alone without an entourage.

 

[x_files]

If it were an inside job - that Kardashian security somehow tipped off the thieves, they really had to throw the plan together quickly it seems. She moved to her own apartment that night (if that is true), gave the security the night off for some reason, had jewelry in an insecure place. They had to pull together the five guys and a few bikes. And figure out how to get in and out in a matter of minutes - while getting the victim from her bedroom to show them the jewelry and while a friend below the apartment heard the commotion without calling the police or coming upstairs herself to investigate. Oh, and knowing that the doorman would give them keys and knowing where to lock that doorman up.

The Kardashians post what seems like their every move online but I kinda doubt they would let it be known that Kim was alone with the jewelry that had been featured in her posts and without the security who had also been featured in her post. What timing that she posted about her security guard that very day.

And, the thieves somehow timed it to happen while Kanye was giving a concert, but far enough into the concert that he could dramatically walk off stage without having to refund tickets to the audience.

But, if the thieves did pull this off with what appears to be little advance notice of her being alone, they are good at what they do.

jmopinion at the moment.

Perfectly planned performance isn't it? Almost genius PR stunt? or coincidence? perfect storm?

 

[SophieRose]

Ok. So I'm torn. Either a farce for attention or it actually happened. Occam Razor. If it did occur, that should be a wake up call to those idiots. LOL IMO


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A wake up call! The family probably wishes the series was filming so they could talk about it as soon as possible.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...ng-at-time-of-kim-kardashians-robbery-w443204

Not gonna make the cut. Keeping Up With the Kardashians was not filming at the time of Kim Kardashian’s Sunday, October 2, Paris robbery, a spokesperson for E! tells Us Weekly in a statement.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Perfectly planned performance isn't it? Almost genius PR stunt? or coincidence? perfect storm?

This could be an insurance job .. do you have to prove the worth of a ring to insure it for millions?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

A wake up call! The family probably wishes the series was filming so they could talk about it as soon as possible.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...ng-at-time-of-kim-kardashians-robbery-w443204

Not gonna make the cut. Keeping Up With the Kardashians was not filming at the time of Kim Kardashian’s Sunday, October 2, Paris robbery, a spokesperson for E! tells Us Weekly in a statement.

Funny, but the show also wasn't filming when Lamar had his near death experience which led to a full recovery .. they do seem to time their dramas just before a new season somehow don't they?

 

[knt]

I agree, I'm sure she has to have designer yet comfy yoga pants or sweatpants, or track pants and sneakers and a comfy sweater. Last thing I'd want to do is put in hair extensions, full face makeup and high heels.
Why did she pick a hotel with zero security?

Well... if you want to be cynical (like me), she conveniently left a public hotel, with lots of staff and paparazzi out front, moved to an apartment away from her sisters, an apartment which only had one concierge, no security posted for the building, and told her bodyguard to escort her sisters out to a nightclub and she stayed in alone. IF IT WAS A PR stunt, that was the perfect setup. And very convenient to boost her miserably crashing tv show ratings, with the season premiere conveniently this month. Just saying...

How did she get out of zip tie handcuffs plus duck tape on her wrists so quickly? Is she Houdini?

 

[knt]

Has it been confirmed that she was staying elsewhere until that night? It does seem like such out-of-character behavior for her to be essentially alone without an entourage.

Per TMZ latest info. They are surprisingly accurate. Harvey Levin is an attorney and requires fact-checking.

 

[drdetective]

They are accurate for sure. WHY would she leave her sisters and the security of a great big hotel? I want to believe them because of how horrendous it would be if this were all a lie and how horrific the whole thing seems to imagine. I just cannot understand why she would go hang out alone at an unsecured location with nothing but a stylist and her giant diamond rings to keep her company.

 

[x_files]

Well... if you want to be cynical (like me), she conveniently left a public hotel, with lots of staff and paparazzi out front, moved to an apartment away from her sisters, an apartment which only had one concierge, no security posted for the building, and told her bodyguard to escort her sisters out to a nightclub and she stayed in alone. IF IT WAS A PR stunt, that was the perfect setup. And very convenient to boost her miserably crashing tv show ratings, with the season premiere conveniently this month. Just saying...

How did she get out of zip tie handcuffs plus duck tape on her wrists so quickly? Is she Houdini?

I'm very cynical about this story.

 

[1&2&3]

This could be an insurance job .. do you have to prove the worth of a ring to insure it for millions?

I would think so! However, it may depend on who you are and who you know.

For expensive jewelry, nothing close to this figure, insurance always required appraisal papers. Usually expensive jewelry comes with the paperwork which has a thorough description of the item.

 

[gregjrichards]

They are accurate for sure. WHY would she leave her sisters and the security of a great big hotel? I want to believe them because of how horrendous it would be if this were all a lie and how horrific the whole thing seems to imagine. I just cannot understand why she would go hang out alone at an unsecured location with nothing but a stylist and her giant diamond rings to keep her company.

Kim and Kanye own the apartment why would you stay in a hotel when you own an apartment in the city?

I would think so! However, it may depend on who you are and who you know.

For expensive jewelry, nothing close to this figure, insurance always required appraisal papers. Usually expensive jewelry comes with the paperwork which has a thorough description of the item.

It's going to be interesting to see if the insurers pay out with the social media posts flaunting the rings &jewellery, them not being locked away in a safe and inadequate security provisions. You know what insurers are like they will do anything to get out of paying out if they can. I understand the ring is by Lorraine Schwartz who is a friend of Kim and Kanye's I'd imagine that although it may be worth several million they might not have paid anything like that amount.

The cell phones being taken might be important because Kim could be blackmailed for photos etc. The safety and security of other family members could be at risk with mobile phone numbers, addresses etc of contacts being on the phones.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kim and Kanye own the apartment why would you stay in a hotel when you own an apartment in the city?



It's going to be interesting to see if the insurers pay out with the social media posts flaunting the rings &jewellery, them not being locked away in a safe and inadequate security provisions. You know what insurers are like they will do anything to get out of paying out if they can. I understand the ring is by Lorraine Schwartz who is a friend of Kim and Kanye's I'd imagine that although it may be worth several million they might not have paid anything like that amount.

The cell phones being taken might be important because Kim could be blackmailed for photos etc. The safety and security of other family members could be at risk with mobile phone numbers, addresses etc of contacts being on the phones.

So if this robbery was genuine we should expect to see some of these images and communications surface .. unless someone managed to remotely lock the phone or the robbers are above such shenanigans.

 

[gregjrichards]

Duvier said: 'The events that occurred in Paris was one of the most sickening things I have seen or heard.
'We have tips and leads and we will find you. That I promise you...you messed with the wrong one.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raid-vows-track-masked-men.html#ixzz4M5RwtxT2

Kim's bodyguard Pascal has spoken out in this new article. Hopefully they do have leads as to who is behind this. He is the CEO of his own security firm too I don't understand why he never put his foot down and ensured a bodyguard was with Kim at all times.

 

[gregjrichards]

So if this robbery was genuine we should expect to see some of these images and communications surface .. unless someone managed to remotely lock the phone or the robbers are above such shenanigans.

iPhones can be remotely wiped I know because I accidentally wiped my mum's phone thinking it was mine. It would be difficult to access an iPhone with Touch ID needing your fingerprint along with a password. Maybe they took the phones to buy more time to escape and/or prevent Kim managing to take a photo/recording of the gang.

 

[Inthedetails]

Duvier said: 'The events that occurred in Paris was one of the most sickening things I have seen or heard.
'We have tips and leads and we will find you. That I promise you...you messed with the wrong one.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raid-vows-track-masked-men.html#ixzz4M5RwtxT2

Kim's bodyguard Pascal has spoken out in this new article. Hopefully they do have leads as to who is behind this. He is the CEO of his own security firm too I don't understand why he never put his foot down and ensured a bodyguard was with Kim at all times.

Why does the bodyguard think he needs to track down the robbers? Isn't that what the police will do?

jmo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Why does the bodyguard think he needs to track down the robbers? Isn't that what the police will do?

jmo

Reminds me of OJ's search for the real killers ...

 

[DexterMorgan]

iPhones can be remotely wiped I know because I accidentally wiped my mum's phone thinking it was mine. It would be difficult to access an iPhone with Touch ID needing your fingerprint along with a password. Maybe they took the phones to buy more time to escape and/or prevent Kim managing to take a photo/recording of the gang.

Idk. Because Kim has more access to backup phones than Motown having access to backup singers.

So she could have taken and uploaded a pic of her bruised skin (from the restraints and dragging) at anytime.

So maybe this was simply real to her and she didn't want to go there.

But I bet you her mama probably set this entire thing up.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The arguments for why this is a hoax are grasping at straws.

It must be a hoax because....she was wearing a robe?
Because there were no paparazzi outside? It was 2:30 AM
Because the robbers made her get out of bed?
Because she was wearing makeup the next day?

Those are some of the arguments I've seen in this thread. I don't see them as convincing.

Nobody deserves to be bound and forced into a bathtub pleading for their lives because:

1. They are famous for "nothing"
2, They post a lot on social media
3. They enjoy taking selfies
4. They own expensive jewelry
5. They are wealthy
6. They have a sex tape
7. They have taken nude photos
8. They are married to someone you don't like
9. They are the stars of a reality show
10. They like to wear revealing outfits

Kim is still a human being. If you feel more contempt for her than you do people like Chris Brown, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, and Bill Cosby...think very hard about why.