Freddy Gray Verdict #2. Not Guilty
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With two Baltimore officers now acquitted in the death of Freddie Gray, including the only one charged with murder, state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby faces the difficult choice of whether to proceed with four more trials. Her decision almost certainly has to be “no,” and the criticism that she rushed to charge the six officers without sufficient evidence, if only to limit the growing civil unrest in Baltimore, now looks like a valid one. Prosecutorial decisions should be made based on the evidence and the law, not on how they will play on the streets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-must-weigh-giving-up-on-freddie-gray-case/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-must-weigh-giving-up-on-freddie-gray-case/
Jax49
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-goodson-reaction-20160623-story.html
Some in Baltimore frustrated, others seek calm after officer acquitted of charges over Freddie Gray's death.
When Smith was arrested on Saturday — for allegedly playing an illegal dice game and marijuana possession, according to online court records — he said the officer seat-belted him into the van, paused, stepped back and took a picture with his phone.
Some in Baltimore frustrated, others seek calm after officer acquitted of charges over Freddie Gray's death.
When Smith was arrested on Saturday — for allegedly playing an illegal dice game and marijuana possession, according to online court records — he said the officer seat-belted him into the van, paused, stepped back and took a picture with his phone.
katydid23, Thank you for link below. Also another point from article.
"Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Goodson will remain suspended by the Police Department and now faces an administrative review. In Maryland, the results of such cases are not revealed to the public.." <--- bbm
Still suspended, even after judge's findings of fact in ruling that he committed none of the crimes charged. Okay, understood, yes, admin review is a separate function from crim trial, and Goodson is subject to internal PD discipline even w all NG verdicts. So the only way the result is made public is - if Goodson is terminated or if he makes a stmt, maybe to MSM or SM?
"With Goodson's acquittal, however, his pay will immediately be restored, and he may apply for more than a year of back pay. His annual salary in 2015 was $72,540."
Re applying for back pay, I wonder about decision-making - who decides, policy factors, etc.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-goodson-verdict-20160623-story.html June 23
ETA: JM2cts.
"Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Goodson will remain suspended by the Police Department and now faces an administrative review. In Maryland, the results of such cases are not revealed to the public.." <--- bbm
Still suspended, even after judge's findings of fact in ruling that he committed none of the crimes charged. Okay, understood, yes, admin review is a separate function from crim trial, and Goodson is subject to internal PD discipline even w all NG verdicts. So the only way the result is made public is - if Goodson is terminated or if he makes a stmt, maybe to MSM or SM?
"With Goodson's acquittal, however, his pay will immediately be restored, and he may apply for more than a year of back pay. His annual salary in 2015 was $72,540."
Re applying for back pay, I wonder about decision-making - who decides, policy factors, etc.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-goodson-verdict-20160623-story.html June 23
ETA: JM2cts.
Can't say I blame him. Officers are in a no-win situation these days. Everything they do should be on film, then both sides would be covered.
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I agree with you, but evidently a lot of LEOs do not. The Chicago Police Department found that a significant percentage of their cameras and microphones had been tampered with by their officers.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/22-police-shootings-in-chicago-this-year-and-no-audio-in-any/
Have to wonder why they would damage something that is meant to protect them when they are doing their jobs.
Detective Dawnyell Taylor said in a daily log of case notes on the investigation that a prosecutor handed her a four-page, typed narrative at the courthouse just before she appeared before the grand jury.
"As I read over the narrative it had several things that I found to be inconsistent with our investigation," Taylor wrote, adding: "I thought the statements in the narrative were misquoted."
But, she wrote, she was "conflicted" about challenging the state's attorney on the narrative in the courtroom. "With great conflict I was sworn in and read the narrative provided," she said in her notes.
When the jurors asked questions, including whether Gray's arrest was legal, Taylor wrote that prosecutors intervened before she could give an answer that would conflict with their assessment.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...r-grand-jury-freddie-gray-20160625-story.html
"As I read over the narrative it had several things that I found to be inconsistent with our investigation," Taylor wrote, adding: "I thought the statements in the narrative were misquoted."
But, she wrote, she was "conflicted" about challenging the state's attorney on the narrative in the courtroom. "With great conflict I was sworn in and read the narrative provided," she said in her notes.
When the jurors asked questions, including whether Gray's arrest was legal, Taylor wrote that prosecutors intervened before she could give an answer that would conflict with their assessment.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...r-grand-jury-freddie-gray-20160625-story.html
scmom -- thx for link to the Sun story.
Soooooo pre-grand jury & pre-trial, prosecutor did not ask all notes/reports of all LEOs at the scene to provide them to pros?
Annnnnd pre-trial, when defense asked prosecutor to produce LEs' notes/reports, prosecutor had nothing to produce from Det Taylor?
Hmmm.
Would lack of Det Taylor's notes/reports be conspicuous by their absence?
At trial would that void would give defense team some ammo for cross-examining Det. Taylor:
Det Taylor, when you testified at GrJu did you refer to any notes? Were they notes you took, written reports you made?
Oh, notes from the prosecutor's staff? Why not use your own? How were pros' notes different from what you personally saw?'
'Oh, no notes? You made no written reports? When you went thru training, were notes/reports discussed? Were you told Det's notes/reports are crucial to police work, to your testimony in court? But you did not take notes/make written report? Don't you always make note & reports for other cases you work on?' etc.
OR
'Oh, you did take notes, make written reports? Where are they? Do you still have them? Did you give them to pros? What did the notes/reports say? [gives ex's of things that could help exonerate defendant] Did you destroy them? Why would you destroy them? ' etc.
IDK, JM2cts, could be wrong.
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From ^ link:
"[Detective] Taylor testified in the Goodson trial that she turned her notes over to defense lawyers, who objected that prosecutors didn't provide them first. Prosecutors said in court that they didn't have the notes. Taylor later testified that she offered to provide her notes but that prosecutors didn't want them.
[Judge] Williams faulted prosecutors for not obtaining the notes and turning them over, as required under discovery." bbm
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...625-story.html
Soooooo pre-grand jury & pre-trial, prosecutor did not ask all notes/reports of all LEOs at the scene to provide them to pros?
Annnnnd pre-trial, when defense asked prosecutor to produce LEs' notes/reports, prosecutor had nothing to produce from Det Taylor?
Hmmm.
Would lack of Det Taylor's notes/reports be conspicuous by their absence?
At trial would that void would give defense team some ammo for cross-examining Det. Taylor:
Det Taylor, when you testified at GrJu did you refer to any notes? Were they notes you took, written reports you made?
Oh, notes from the prosecutor's staff? Why not use your own? How were pros' notes different from what you personally saw?'
'Oh, no notes? You made no written reports? When you went thru training, were notes/reports discussed? Were you told Det's notes/reports are crucial to police work, to your testimony in court? But you did not take notes/make written report? Don't you always make note & reports for other cases you work on?' etc.
OR
'Oh, you did take notes, make written reports? Where are they? Do you still have them? Did you give them to pros? What did the notes/reports say? [gives ex's of things that could help exonerate defendant] Did you destroy them? Why would you destroy them? ' etc.
IDK, JM2cts, could be wrong.
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From ^ link:
"[Detective] Taylor testified in the Goodson trial that she turned her notes over to defense lawyers, who objected that prosecutors didn't provide them first. Prosecutors said in court that they didn't have the notes. Taylor later testified that she offered to provide her notes but that prosecutors didn't want them.
[Judge] Williams faulted prosecutors for not obtaining the notes and turning them over, as required under discovery." bbm
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...625-story.html
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We knew fro the beginning that Mosby laid on these bogus charges and prosecuted these law enforcement officers for political reasons and without any basis in truth.
But as we learn more about the underhanded goings-on behind the scenes, we begin to see how thoroughly malicious and corrupt the prosecution has been.
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From the article at the link above:
She (Taylor) said that Deputy State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe handed her a narrative on the afternoon she appeared before the grand jury. She thought she would have a chance to talk to Bledsoe before testifying, but that didn't happen.
The prosecution thought they could just hand her their narrative without even talking to her about her report or or their narrative and that she would just fall in line and do their bidding.
What arrogance! What dehumanizing treatment of Ms. Taylor!
She (Taylor) said that Deputy State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe handed her a narrative on the afternoon she appeared before the grand jury. She thought she would have a chance to talk to Bledsoe before testifying, but that didn't happen.
The prosecution thought they could just hand her their narrative without even talking to her about her report or or their narrative and that she would just fall in line and do their bidding.
What arrogance! What dehumanizing treatment of Ms. Taylor!
There are bad apples everywhere. If the cops are bad, they don't want anything filmed. Maybe once the cameras are standard at all times, things will change for the better.
The disturbing revelation by The Sun this weekend that Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby or one of her prosecutors may have used a misleading summary of evidence to persuade a grand jury to indict the six Baltimore police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray demands a formal investigation.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-mosby-investigation-20160627-story.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-mosby-investigation-20160627-story.html
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The headline of the linked article is:
[h=1]Baltimore prosecutor's office should be investigated for Gray-related murder charge[/h]
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LOL!
Better yet, an orange jumpsuit. This was politically motivated multiple malicious prosecutions without a shred of evidence to support the charges. She should be disbarred and prosecuted.
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I can't believe MM is still employed.
Del. McDonough petition calls for Marilyn Mosby to resign, drop charges against Baltimore officers
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-ci-mcdonough-mosby-20160628-story.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-ci-mcdonough-mosby-20160628-story.html
Still employed? Well, Baltimore State Attorney is elected to office by gen pop vote. IDK what ouster or recall procedure, if any, applies.
Per link at scmom post, one local official is publicly calling for her to resign. Maybe others too. IDK.
She was listed a local candidate in MD's gubernatorial primary election in 2014, so I'm guessing next election would be 2018.
http://www.elections.state.md.us/el...idates/gen_Listings_2014_1__by_county_03.html
For grins, gonna look at her website & fb, shown in above link.
Website www.marilynmosby.com. <--- ETA: looks like this has few/no updates since 2014 election. Mostly candidate taking points, imo.
Facebook marilynmosbyesq <--- ETA: has current posts. Some commenters not happy about prosecutions of Bmore LEOs, imo.
Twitter marilynmosbyesq