GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4

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Question for posters familiar with the attorneys: In terms of quality are the defense teams and prosecution teams equal?
TIA.
hard for me to answer. I have a long standing personal distaste for Mr. Bryan s attorney (Gough) having watched him in a previous trial. I find him a buffoon. But again, that could just be me. The others seem well qualified. I just still don't understand why the defendants didn't move to be tried separately.
 
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Good morning! The jury in the #AhmaudArbery shooting case is still behind the scenes as lawyers hash out a legal argument. Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski said as she was getting ready to prep for the medical examiner's testimony, the defense handed her 68 police reports.

Dunikoski says they were certified last Thursday, yet only given to her today. They're neighborhood patrols by officers & random personal issues (roomie disputes, etc.) Says defense made a discovery violation by withholding these until now.

Dunikoski said plus, it’s irrelevant. "Unless someone in this case knew all about this and had seen these police reports..." State wants it excluded and says it has nothing to do with the death of #AhmaudArbery. “State’s been blindsided."

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Travis McMichael atty Jason Sheffield says the State gave them all the info; all they've done is go get the Computer-Aided Dispatch reports to go with them. They intend to demonstrate there were lots of concerned neighbors, extra officer patrols, etc.

Sheffield says it's to establish that there is a "high volume of suspicious person calls in this neighborhood and a lot of extra patrolling" which bled onto chatter on the neighborhood Facebook page. They want to list the nature and date of each call.

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Sheffield says they'll have testimony that neighbors were talking online about crime and extra patrols and that it was discussed with Travis McMichael. "It supports our defense that this neighborhood was on edge and under attack."

Judge Walmsley says it sound like they're trying to characterize these calls. Sheffield says they're not. These are 911 calls since January. Judge asked how they plan to use this: Are you going to link this up to anything the defendants knew?

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Greg McMichael atty Laura Hogue contends the State tried to minimize what was happening in Satilla Shores dating back to October. Walmsley asks why they didn't get into this when the officer was on the stand.

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Hogue says the police report and neighbors will refute State's "downplaying" of activity in Satilla Shores.

Kevin Gough got up and said he was adopting the codefendants' position on this. He says, "We sometimes feel like the red-headed stepchild sitting over there in the corner. We tend not to get served things from codefendants."

Gough says this is the first he's heard of it, but thinks there's no discovery issue. State says it's been a "drumbeat w/the defense: This neighborhood's on edge! They want to argue it was 'under attack.'"

State asked it be excluded--or go through each call including the roommate and contractor disputes. Just saying there was this number of calls is not right--either go down the road totally or not at all.

In the #AhmaudArbery shooting case: Edmund Donoghue takes the stand. He is a physician and forensic pathologist. He got his medical degree in 1970, and joined the GBI as a medical examiner in 2007.

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Dr. Donoghue tells the jury about how autopsies. He has been qualified as an expert in courts more than 1,000 times, and is also licensed to practice in four states, including Georgia.

On Feb. 24, 2020, Dr. Donoghue performed an autopsy on #AhmaudArbery. His cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds. He was 5'10", muscular and thin, weighing 164 pounds.

Donoghue says a motor vehicle striking a pedestrian can cause serious injury and death.

We see the first photo of #AhmaudArbery. His eyes are slightly open, as is his mouth. Then two more photos of Arbery's full body, clothing on. Then closer shots of his torso and lower body.

WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS. Dr. Donoghue then shows a close-up photo of #AhmaudArbery's gunshot wounds once his torso was cleaned off. We then see extreme close-ups of the gunshot wounds and abrasion wounds.

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Donoghue shows pellet exit wounds from the center of #AhmaudArbery's chest. He points out pellets under the skin. Then a photo of Arberys' face shows a number of abrasions on the right side of his face--typical of an unguarded fall.

There is a photo of the gunshot on #AhmaudArbery's left shoulder. This shot alone could've caused his death, because it involved the axillary artery and vein. Donoghue doesn't think anything could've been done to save him just from that one shot.

Donoghue detailed a photo of #AhmaudArbery's right side, pointing out pellets and pellet exit wounds. HIs pen here is pointing to a pellet. The small red areas are exit wounds. Then photo of his right shoulder from the back. A series of photos of blood-soaked clothes.

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We see photos of pellets, then a full-body X-ray of #AhmaudArbery. Dr. Donoghue points out shotgun pellets in his body, and fractures of the humerus and scapula--what kids call the angel wings. The pen's pointing to the humerus fracture--compare to the other side.

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Dr. Donoghue says #AhmaudArbery developed a distinct injury after he was shot the 3rd time: Erb's Palsy, a paralysis of the left arm. He says still shots from the video show Arbery's shirt ballooning out as shotgun pellets exited his body.

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This photo, with his left arm straight and limp, shows the Erb's palsy of #AhmaudArbery--he's paralyzed now, can't use that arm, says Donoghue. That's due to this gunshot.

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ADA Dunikoski asks about the torso wound to #AhmaudArbery. Donoghue says the gun's muzzle was about 3-4 feet away from his body.

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Donoghue's opinion is that the shot to the center of #AhmaudArbery's chest and the grazing gunshot to the wrist were at the same time--his hand was in front of his chest when the bullet entered the body. The 2nd shot was a complete miss. The 3rd shot involved left chest

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Donoghue says Yes, those could be consistent with someone pushing a shotgun away from them, or grabbing a shotgun. Hand was between shotgun muzzle and chest.

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Donoghue details pics of blood spreading on #AhmaudArbery's tee, points out blood spurting from his wrist. "This is all coming from his wrist?!" Dunikoski asks. He confirms it is. Pix where it looks like a belt: doc says this is blood pouring; belt has the straight edge

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State showed a series of pics of the blood on the street from #AhmaudArbery's shooting. Donoghue says the left side wound was close-range to near-contact. Difficult to tell when trigger was pulled; gun was moving up.

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During the testimony, #AhmaudArbery's mother Wanda Cooper-Jones rocked herself quietly with her hands clasped in front of her. Around the time they showed his shoes, after Donoghue said nothing could've been done after that one shot, she excused herself.

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A juror was leaning all the way forward with her head resting on her chin as Dr. Donoghue testified. He had the whole jury's full attention. Some nodded at his explanations.

Court broke for a brief recess. During the break, Laura Hogue walked up to give a hug to Leigh McMichael, who appeared to be wiping tears. Hogue told her, “It’s hard for Greg, too.”

Back from recess. Dr. Donoghue says there were no personal items found in #AhmaudArbery's clothes--no phone, no wallet, no weapon. They found black plastic-like fibers in armpit wounds--plant material. May've gotten into gun barrel during struggle.

ADA Dunikoski asks how #AhmaudArbery kept moving after being shot in the torso. Donoghue says it's the "flight or fight" reaction--body's response to stress or fear or anxiety. Stimulates adrenaline & cortisol, raises heart rate, improves hearing acuity.

State: If Mr. #AhmaudArbery had been under a stressful situation for five minutes, has he already got adrenaline going? Donoghue: As soon as he realized a threatening situation that response would start.

State: What happens when you can't run any more? Defense: Objection--beyond witness's expertise. Judge: Sustained unless you can offer foundation. Donoghue: "It's flight or fight. After you can no longer flee, you might fight."

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Donoghue testified shotgun pellets didn't pierce #AhmaudArbery's heart. Some ribs on right side--5 through 10--were broken. Made it difficult to breathe. Intercostal arteries on rib lower edges would've bled into chest cavity. Shot to torso alone could've killed him

EMS on scene could've dressed the wound but not saved #AhmaudArbery's life due to internal bleeding.

State began to show Dr. Donoghue #AhmaudArbery's shoes. Defense objects, asks relevance. They sent out the jury. Dunikoski says shoes are relevant b/c State's argument is simple: Evidence shows Arbery would visit 220 Satilla for a few minutes and run into neighborhood

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Travis McMichael atty Bob Rubin says it's a backdoor way of getting in evidence State can't: argue #AhmaudArbery is jogger in neighborhood. Shoes didn't inform doc's autopsy.

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If State wants to argue #AhmaudArbery was a jogger based on fact he wore tennis shoes, we should have right to provide alternative explanation for why he's running. Frank Hogue joins objection: The shoes & their condition is a way of saying "Look how much he runs"

State says it won't enter the shoes. Judge said it didn't open the door. Hogue says they were in opening, damage is done. Gough wants judge to require argument in State's closing so defense can respond. Judge says State's withdrawn its tender.Get the jury.

Dr. Donoghue: It's my opinion that #AhmaudArbery died of multiple shotgun wounds. Travis McMichael attorney Bob Rubin begins cross-exam. Isn't it accurate that on autopsy you kind of start outward and work your way in? That's correct.

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Rubin: On 2.24.2020, #AhmaudArbery was brought in. Did you have any info about what happened in Satilla Shores? Donoghue says yes, from deputy examiner via Coroner Rozier. He wasn't aware of video before he wrote the report.

Donoghue says nothing prevented him from getting video but he saw no reason to. Rubin says, but you changed your opinion on some things later.

Did you ask Mr. Leppard to see what he found in the #AhmaudArbery shirt? Isn't that standard when an object's between a gun and skin? Donoghue: No, it's not. R: Did you know he came to a different conclusion of muzzle-to-target distance? D: I did. This year.

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Leppard or GBI or prosecutor didn't call him about the difference found in June; Laura Hogue did. Donoghue says No, he found out on Sept 23rd in a pretrial meeting; Hogue called him on the 29th.

Rubin pulls out piece of tubing. Asks Donoghue about target-to-muzzle distance. 3 to 4 feet based on wounds you saw? Donoghue: Yes. Rubin: That's a big difference from inches. Donoghue: Yes.

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Rubin: You found #AhmaudArbery was muscular and tattooed. Did you analyze tattoos? Donoghue: No. Rubin: Two bandanas on his neck. Did you note his toenails were very long and dirty? Donoghue: I did.

Rubin: On the 3 wounds you found, chest, torso, wrist. They show the huge, bloodied wrist wound and Donoghue confirms which way the pellets spread. Rubin: Your report in April said gunshot wounds on #AhmaudArbery's body were from struggle for a shotgun? Donoghue: Yes.

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Rubin: Were you aware #AhmaudArbery had his hand on the shotgun? Donoghue: If there was a struggle, I guess he did. Rubin: Even with injury to the wrist, he could still swing and hit Mr. McMichael with the other hand? Donoghue: Correct.

Rubin: As medical examiner, it's not your concern what led up that moment--Larry English's house? Wouldn't change your opinion on what happened to the body? Donoghue: Correct.

Ever reconcile with Brian Leppard why you concluded the #AhmaudArbery chest wound target-to-muzzle was 20 to 3 inches and he said contact or near-contact like an inch? Donoghue: No. We both agreed it was close.

Dr. Donoghue says, "The wrist was there. You can't get any closer." He doesn't disagree with Leppard's testimony, he says. Rubin: You told Agent Kelly you could not determine sequence of shots? And told FBI you had no opinion on it? Donoghue: Yes

Donoghue says he's not sure why they wanted opinion on it. Medical examiner just can't do that. I don't n ow how he would. This is an exceptional circumstance, where there's a video.

Rubin: State proposed a couple hypotheticals of how Mr. #AhmaudArbery's wounds were inflicted. One was, Could the wrist one be b/c he swiped the gun and somehow the shot was from his thumb to his pinky? Donoghue: That's not exactly what she asked, and I said No to that

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Rubin: Would you agree an alternative explanation is that Mr. #AhmaudArbery grabbed the gun and when the gun was pulled back and fired, it could've caused the injury? Donoghue: That could've happened,

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Donoghue couldn't see what happened, as it was in front of the truck. He could see blood spurt from #AhmaudArbery's wrist. To Rubin's question he says it is possible Arbery could've grabbed gun, T McMichael pulled it back when it was fired--explaining close contact & wrist wounds.

Rubin: Did you determine how many times Mr. #AhmaudArbery punched Mr. Travis McMichael? Donoghue says he didn't count it. Rubin: And despite gunshot wounds he can push McMichael, punch, and grab gun? Adrenaline, flight or fight? Donoghue: Yes.

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Rubin: You're not saying Mr. #AhmaudArbery couldn't continue to run? You didn't see any evidence he could no longer flee? Donoghue: I didn't. Rubin: Nothing physically prevented him from continuing to run? Donoghue: Correct.

Rubin: #AhmaudArbery adrenaline could've come from stress? Donoghue: Or fear. Rubin: Anger? Donoghue: Yes. Rubin: You have no idea what he was afraid of. Donoghue: There was a man holding a shotgun out there...and a man following in a pickup truck.

Rubin: He could've been afraid of being caught? Donoghue says he doesn't understand. Rubin: Could #AhmaudArbery have been afraid he'd be caught? Donoghue doesn't know.

Rubin: You testified nothing could be done on scene to save #AhmaudArbery's life. You said to us in March, "He was essentially dead before he hit the ground." Dr. Donoghue: Yes. @wsbradio
His testimony is concluded. Lunch break until 1PM.

Back from lunch, Kevin Gough asks about getting to his motion to prohibit any further conduct to intimidate or influence jurors or interfere with a fair trial. Judge said he'll be looking through it and its citations and it's under advisement.

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David B. Smith, GBI Asst. Special Agent in Charge, takes the stand in the #AhmaudArbery shooting case.

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Prosecutor Paul Camarillo is handling direct exam of GBI ASAC Smith. On 5.6.2020, he went to Satilla Shores to do digital mapping and get photos and videos of the places where the #AhmaudArbery chase and fatal shooting incident took place.

Smith describes his training and experience with drones. He was briefed on route and landmarks. Describes the window you have to use to see things--below tree canopy or hanging peat moss. Has to be somewhat slow so viewer doesn't get sick.

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Smith began drone flight at the Satilla house under construction. Turned right, went toward McMichaels house. Back to main intersection. Then another clip to where final incident occurred; down Burford to Bryan's house, more

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State now calls Jessica Hamilton, a crime scene specialist with the GBI. She's been there 10 years. When she got involved with the #AhmaudArbery shooting case, she did neighborhood canvassing. Collected/transported evidence.

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They take the jury out after Hamilton's direct testimony about the evidence she collected, photos she took. Travis McM atty Sheffield wants to put in pulled reports about neighborhood patrols, extra patrols; he says they're relevant.

Dunikoski says once again the State's being ambushed. Hamilton didn't pull records, she requested them from GCPD. Notes just talking about "suspicious person" calls is disingenuous when these calls refer to people like a white couple, a contractor van, a false alarm

State says defense just wants to argue, "This neighborhood was under attack, and the suspicious person of course was #AhmaudArbery!" She says if they want to list these calls list them all--when it was a brother, a contractor, 4 kids in a driveway--according to calls

Judge says this has come up a lot since May. If that's an argument what that really is is what did Greg McMichael Travis McMichael or Roddie Bryan know of all this. What it's not is all these police reports from June 2019-Feb 2020. "That evidence doesn't connect up"

Judge Walmsley: I don't know what individuals, or the defendants, might've known. "If they didn't know about it, it's completely irrelevant." Some of these records have hearsay--narratives. I don't think every police call in that period is relevant in this case.

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State calls GBI Asst. Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial, to the stand in the #AhmaudArbery shooting case.

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Agent Dial says the GBI assists local police departments, sometimes coming in after investigations have already started. He became involved in the #AhmaudArbery homicide after Tom Durden's district attorney's office requested them the evening of May 5.

Dial was the lead investigator on the #AhmaudArbery homicide. They re-interviewed people about the Feb 20 shooting, examined GCPD evidence, did canvasses, obtained records. Executed search of McMichael home on 5.19.2020

Dial says Glynn County police had not collected Greg McMichael's .357 revolver. At the McMichael home, the GBI found it in a holster in the closet of the master bedroom.

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On May 7, Dial had found probable cause for arrest warrants for Greg and Travis McMichael.


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And again - I shall post the rest in the morning...
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hard for me to answer. I have a long standing personal distaste for Mr. Bryan s attorney (Gough) having watched him in a previous trial. I find him a buffoon. But again, that could just be me. The others seem well qualified. I just still don't understand why the defendants didn't move to be tried separately.
Thank you.
I'm unfamiliar with the defense lawyers and the prosecutor. For me, instant loathing of Gough; he is positively cringe-worthy, despicable and some other words we don't use here. Wondering if the other two defense lawyers are considered A-team, or are they B and C's.

According to news reports, former prosecutor, Jackie Johnson is facing criminal charges for her handling of Arbery case. Other prosecutors recused themselves. It seems Linda Dunikowski, as lead, has taken on a huge task. Is she considered up to it? Have a feeling the presentation of this case is as important (maybe more?) as the evidence.
 
Thank you.
I'm unfamiliar with the defense lawyers and the prosecutor. For me, instant loathing of Gough; he is positively cringe-worthy, despicable and some other words we don't use here. Wondering if the other two defense lawyers are considered A-team, or are they B and C's.

According to news reports, former prosecutor, Jackie Johnson is facing criminal charges for her handling of Arbery case. Other prosecutors recused themselves. It seems Linda Dunikowski, as lead, has taken on a huge task. Is she considered up to it? Have a feeling the presentation of this case is as important (maybe more?) as the evidence.

Jackie Johnson has needed criminal charges for a while now. JMO. Glad she finally got them. AA case and her handling (or lack thereof) is just one of some really suspect and shady behavior on her part.

As to Linda Dunikowski - Prior to being Cobb County Senior ADA which she's been for a couple years now, she spent several years in the Fulton County DAs office. Prior to that she was a Senior ADA for about 11 years in Atlanta GA and moved up to Deputy DA there.

I like her. she seems to know her stuff. her arguments are on point and she gets points from me for not getting all rattled by the idiocy of Gough and some of his more theatric behaviors.
 
Question for posters familiar with the attorneys: In terms of quality are the defense teams and prosecution teams equal?
TIA.

Bob Rubin is a highly respected and experienced attorney I would definitely call him “A team”. (Sheffield too) Idk enough about the Hogues, but Gough is easily the worst lol.
 
Thank you.
I'm unfamiliar with the defense lawyers and the prosecutor. For me, instant loathing of Gough; he is positively cringe-worthy, despicable and some other words we don't use here. Wondering if the other two defense lawyers are considered A-team, or are they B and C's.

According to news reports, former prosecutor, Jackie Johnson is facing criminal charges for her handling of Arbery case. Other prosecutors recused themselves. It seems Linda Dunikowski, as lead, has taken on a huge task. Is she considered up to it? Have a feeling the presentation of this case is as important (maybe more?) as the evidence.

FWIW, Gough is the only local awh shucks bubba atty; all the others are from the big city. Not sure if any on the jury are aware of that or if they care.

My sense of the teams is that Gough is shameless, invested in theatrics, and somewhat over his head; Greg's counsel skirts on the unethical at trial but is competent, and that Travis's team is the best of the lot (and probably aren't loving this multiple defendant & counsels thing).
 
Gough trying to get Dial to say that at one point, AA is chasing or behind and running toward Bryan. Dial is having none of it. He continues to hold fast to the fact that when AA evaded Bryan, Bryan made a specific decision to turn his truck around and continue pursuing AA down holmes. Period.

Dial will not give Gough what he is hoping for and Gough is only serving to allow dial numerous opportunities to highlight how Bryan was pursuing/chasing/etc AA

You need to quit when you are behind Mr. Gough.
 
Gough trying to get Dial to say that at one point, AA is chasing or behind and running toward Bryan. Dial is having none of it. He continues to hold fast to the fact that when AA evaded Bryan, Bryan made a specific decision to turn his truck around and continue pursuing AA down holmes. Period.

Dial will not give Gough what he is hoping for and Gough is only serving to allow dial numerous opportunities to highlight how Bryan was pursuing/chasing/etc AA

You need to quit when you are behind Mr. Gough.

And, yah, Roddy wasn't just trying to go home & accidentally ended up helping the MMs trap AA "like a rat. "
 
Gough is literally testifying at this point. He is damaging his client with this continued insistence that Bryan was heading home and not trying to chase AA. Dial is still having none of it, holding firm that Bryan was in pursuit. His facial expressions to some of Gough's more absurd questions are priceless and worth the rewind later to watch again. :p:p:p

the Prosecution offers little in the way of objections as there is no need, this pooshow is benefiting them.
 
Gough trying to get Dial to say that at one point, AA is chasing or behind and running toward Bryan. Dial is having none of it. He continues to hold fast to the fact that when AA evaded Bryan, Bryan made a specific decision to turn his truck around and continue pursuing AA down holmes. Period.

Dial will not give Gough what he is hoping for and Gough is only serving to allow dial numerous opportunities to highlight how Bryan was pursuing/chasing/etc AA

You need to quit when you are behind Mr. Gough.
Watching that and enjoying it. As much as I dislike Gough, I love watching him make a dang fool of himself. :D
 
FWIW, Gough is the only local awh shucks bubba atty; all the others are from the big city. Not sure if any on the jury are aware of that or if they care.

My sense of the teams is that Gough is shameless, invested in theatrics, and somewhat over his head; Greg's counsel skirts on the unethical at trial but is competent, and that Travis's team is the best of the lot (and probably aren't loving this multiple defendant & counsels thing).
Very helpful perspective on attys. Appreciate it.
 
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