GA - Caliyah McNabb, 15 days, Newton County, 7 Oct 2017 *Arrests*

[Grouchymom]

We have to remember that at this point we only have 2 know pieces of evidence, the body and the autopsy report. We know they searched the home but don’t have any idea what was found. Outside of that LE took statements from the parties involved and made assumptions based on believed credibility and the limited evidence available so far as to what they believe to be the most reasonable chain of events. Between now and trial they will continue to look for evidence and confirmation of their theory. Just because they put what they believe to be true in the affidavit for the arrest warrant does not mean that it is fact. I am sure his lengthy arrest record leaves him with no credibility with LE and that can predujice the investigation easily. I am not accusing LE of any wrong doing just of being human. Additionally Amy people believe only the guilty run and that too would color him in a bad light. A body, opportunity and little to no credibility would easily make him the prime suspect. I am anxious to see what else shakes out of the evidence tree.

 

[pamelado2]

But don't forget, CM made a statement when 1st arrested before he lawyered up. LE used that info.

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[bleuboy]

If that means it took 10 1/2 hours of suffering for her to die...it changes the entire case for me. I’m not sure I can continue to follow.

I think if LE thought he had killed caliyah that early the mum would be arrested to, because she said she fed the baby at 5am and she was fine. That is the mums Alibi that caliyah was fine and it must have happened after 5am when she was asleep.

 

[2bees]

I think if LE thought he had killed caliyah that early the mum would be arrested to, because she said she fed the baby at 5am and she was fine. That is the mums Alibi that caliyah was fine and it must have happened after 5am when she was asleep.

Based on the 911 call, seems mom wasn’t 100% sure about the time.

“Ummm.... The last time I woke up with her was... I guess around 5, maybe...”

Perhaps that time was fed to her by CM? I’d really like to know if she had any drug tests to see if she was high or perhaps if CM drugged her to stay asleep through it.


Edit to add link to call... again lol
http://www.11alive.com/mobile/artic...-caliyah-mcnabb-missing/482549652?scroll=1010

 

[rsd1200]

I'm on pg 40 of this thread and don't want to jump ahead, I want to read everything. So I don't know what the latest news is on this suspect. I want to hold back what I think might be going on only I want to catch up on the thread first, just in case I'm repeating or worse, the information is already available...

I have absolutely no idea what he was thinking or planning at this point, but I am of the opinion right now that whatever it was he doing in his mind, he wasn't in his right mind......I believe drugs were fueling his plan further and created the monster he became when he did this. I can't wait to find out what would ever possess a father to do this to a infant, days old, innocent as could be.... No way he was in his right mind.

I don't think, whether it was drugs, or not, (which,it seems he is a drug user), but, drug use or not, he exhibits the characteristics of an individual with a serious mental health problem(s), or he's just plain old evil. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter. I had a friend who lived with a man like him. Evil does walk on this earth.

 

[rsd1200]

Good point - she was so tiny. What I was thinking of though was her being hit with an unknown object. That would have made a fair amount of noise IMO. Ugh, I hate even typing that.

I don't think he killed her because she was crying. I could be wrong, but I think he killed her because she was imposing on his time. She had to see to that baby. He wasn't the center of her universe, especially with two children. People like him can fly into jealous rages. They'll accuse, and attack, their partners over non-existent lovers. People who live with abusers hear threats on a regular basis. They function in self-preservation mode, daily, for themselves and the children. I don't think he liked the competition, I think he hated his competition. At least the other child is far away from him now.

 

[rsd1200]

The more I listen to the 911 call, the more I think the dad may have been there listening and directing. At first she says (paraphrasing) that she sat down on the couch for a minute after dealing with the baby all night and fell asleep. When the dispatcher later asked where the dad was, she says asleep on the couch with her, and the two year old woke them up together. That doesn't sit well with me for some reason. MOO JMO - At the time of the 911 call, I'm think mom may have been in fear for her life and the life of the two year old.

That makes a lot of sense. She would do what he said. Her father said he had her cowed. I'm really kind of let down by the hospital. I guess there's not much they could have done, though, but when I've been in the hospital, and my daughter and dils had their babies, I think the doctors say every inch of skin we all had. How did they miss her being beaten on the back like that? I feel someone dropped the ball. A domestic abuse counselor, or CPS worker, should have been called to at least talk to her. What better time and place to try to intervene? I realize they couldn't have made her leave, but, what if she had?

 

[rsd1200]

I'm not trying to relate the death of a child to the death of a kitten. So please don't read more into that.

I trap cats for TNR. I had trapped a very visibly pregnant female cat. She gave birth in my trap over night. I had found someone to foster the cat and her kittens. I counted the kittens and there were 5 of them. Loaded them into my van, took them to the foster. When I got to her house, there was the Momma Cat, and 4 kittens. They were in a trap, the holes no larger than 1''. I couldn't wrap my head around where the kitten was. It wasn't even 24hrs old! I searched my van looking for it. Now, logically there is no way that kitten had gotten out of the trap, but my mind couldn't go further than it had to have gotten out. I remember the foster lady looking at me like I had lost it because I was on my hands and knees crawling in the van looking for that kitten. The Momma Cat had eaten it. For whatever reason, my mind would not let me go there.

So I can understand something happening and the mind not letting you even phantom the thought of the worst. Maybe that's what happened to the Mom. Logically she knew the baby couldn't crawl, walk, or answer when she yelled her name, but the mind was protecting her, and just wouldn't allow her to think the baby was 'gone', whether by abduction, or murder. I can see that happening.

I can't imagine how people take the next breath, live the next hour, etc when they hear such horrific news. I pray I'm never in a situation to know that feeling, or experience that you have no choice but to keep going. Just the most tragic, horrific thing that could happen...and you're living it. Prayers for them all for peace and comfort.

That's a perfect example. Her heart may have been tugging her toward the truth, but her brain was protecting her.

 

[MsMarple]

https://www.covnews.com/news/crime/breaking-ncso-investigating-missing-baby/
Scott Flynn‏
@WSBscott
Funeral home covers cost of burial for newborn allegedly killed by father: http://2wsb.tv/2zk5Bbw

J.C. Harwell & Son Funeral Home and Cremation Chapel will hold a private funeral for Caliyah McNabb, who was found dead Sunday.

"We're donating all of our services,” Mary Evelyn Davis told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution late Thursday.

A vault company also donated the casket for burial, Davis said. The family has requested details regarding the service not be released.
...
Earlier Thursday, an online fund-raising page was created to help raise money for the funeral. That page was later shut down because the funeral costs have been provided.

 

[rsd1200]

If that means it took 10 1/2 hours of suffering for her to die...it changes the entire case for me. I’m not sure I can continue to follow.

They said they believed he murdered, and hid, the baby between midnight and 10:30 a.m. I think they've found it's just a broader timeline rather than how long she suffered. I hope. Neither are good though.

 

[MsMarple]

They said they believed he murdered, and hid, the baby between midnight and 10:30 a.m. I think they've found it's just a broader timeline rather than how long she suffered. I hope. Neither are good though.

That's how I read it too. The link to the warrants can be found in this article:

https://www.covnews.com/news/crime/breaking-ncso-investigating-missing-baby/

I'm curious as to why the mom told the FOX reporter (linked upthread) that she was surprised CM was arrested for murder. Could he be trying to pin this on their other child? Gah, I hope not but what he said just before he was caught might have been some sort of ridiculous setup attempt.

"He come back up here and he started talking to me and he says, ‘You know me? You recognize me?’ I said, ‘No.’ He says, ‘I was in here last night talking to you guys about my baby getting kidnapped," said Hannah. "He went on and on and on just rambling ‘I didn't do it. It wasn't me. It wasn't the baby's mama y'all going to look crazy when you figure this out.’"

Debra Devereux, a customer, said she was in the store as well.

"He said, 'I want the world to know I didn't do that to my baby," Devereux said.

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/more-questions-than-answers-in-search-for-missing-baby

LE sure doesn't buy that anyway, thank goodness!

 

[rsd1200]

In the warrant it states the murder took place at the Home.
Also it states that she died in the woods... how do they know that? Am I reading this correctly????

Sickening



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No, they left out a comma, I think. It is talking about him concealing her death. He concealed her death, when he removed her from the home, and hid her in the woods. He took her and concealed her body, not far from his home, where her death occurred (in the home).

 

[rsd1200]

That's how I read it too. The link to the warrants can be found in this article:

https://www.covnews.com/news/crime/breaking-ncso-investigating-missing-baby/

I'm curious as to why the mom told the FOX reporter (linked upthread) that she was surprised CM was arrested for murder. Could he be trying to pin this on their other child? Gah, I hope not but what he said just before he was caught might have been some sort of ridiculous setup attempt.



http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/more-questions-than-answers-in-search-for-missing-baby

LE sure doesn't buy that anyway, thank goodness!

I kinda wondered about him trying to set up the other child, and got the mother to believing a horrible accident had happened while they slept, and thinking CPS would take the other child if anyone found out. I think he was there coaching her through the 911 because of the way she talked about the daughter waking them up, and him being out searching for the baby (it would explain people seeing him outside in the woods). As animated as he was the day he talked to the cameras and at the convenience store, he's the exact opposite in the courtroom. I guess it's sinking in that Georgia has the death penalty.

 

[Reba]

As animated as he was the day he talked to the cameras and at the convenience store, he's the exact opposite in the courtroom. I guess it's sinking in that Georgia has the death penalty.

(Snipped by me) - Or he finally came down off of whatever substance had him so hopped up.


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[2bees]

I kinda wondered about him trying to set up the other child, and got the mother to believing a horrible accident had happened while they slept, and thinking CPS would take the other child if anyone found out. I think he was there coaching her through the 911 because of the way she talked about the daughter waking them up, and him being out searching for the baby (it would explain people seeing him outside in the woods). As animated as he was the day he talked to the cameras and at the convenience store, he's the exact opposite in the courtroom. I guess it's sinking in that Georgia has the death penalty.

I really hope he didn’t talk mom into believing that the 2yr old did something because that could possibly cause major resentment towards her daughter and well that’s adding a layer of horrible... makes sense though with him telling people they’re going to be surprised when they find out who did it.

I wonder what her 2yr old says she saw?

 

[rsd1200]

I really hope he didn’t talk mom into believing that the 2yr old did something because that could possibly cause major resentment towards her daughter and well that’s adding a layer of horrible... makes sense though with him telling people they’re going to be surprised when they find out who did it.

I wonder what her 2yr old says she saw?

@ the 2:28 mark when the 911 operator asks her who else could have come in her house, she said that as far as she knows, nobody, but that her daughter says "Pappa". She then tells the operator that she asked the two year old if someone came in and took her, and the two year old said yeah, but she didn't know. @4:11 - 4:34 The operator asks again, if the two year old woke her up and said the baby was gone, and she responds, "yeah". She says that the two year old was "kinda freaked out" and was standing in the corner by the couch. She told her to come to her and she loved on her and then told CM to check on the baby.

I don't know that a two year old would be the best witness. Especially if it was dark and they were droozy. They don't really understand a lot of things at that age. There's always some exceptions, but, for the most part, "gone" may be about it. Then again, she may have said Papa, for fear of saying Daddy, but wanted to answer the question.

[video=youtube;RAZn3_y4lr0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAZn3_y4lr0[/video]

 

[georgiajean]

@ the 2:28 mark when the 911 operator asks her who else could have come in her house, she said that as far as she knows, nobody, but that her daughter says "Pappa". She then tells the operator that she asked the two year old if someone came in and took her, and the two year old said yeah, but she didn't know. @4:11 - 4:34 The operator asks again, if the two year old woke her up and said the baby was gone, and she responds, "yeah". She says that the two year old was "kinda freaked out" and was standing in the corner by the couch. She told her to come to her and she loved on her and then told CM to check on the baby.

I don't know that a two year old would be the best witness. Especially if it was dark and they were droozy. They don't really understand a lot of things at that age. There's always some exceptions, but, for the most part, "gone" may be about it. Then again, she may have said Papa, for fear of saying Daddy, but wanted to answer the question.

Your post made me think of the fact that CM has not been in his older daughter's life much, either. Based on his criminal record and the timeline of births, he was incarcerated from 5 months of pregnancy until child was 15 months old. and then was in jail for chunks of time over the past year. This makes me think about the patterns in abusive relationships, and the jealousy that might come from seeing the bond that mom had with the older daughter. And then the amount of time and attention that the newborn was taking... He didn't see what newborns were like with his first daughter because he was in prison...

 

[bleuboy]

Something that's been gnawing away at me since the dads criminal records got released. If you look at some of his charges, they include violence charges too. Child services have/would be involved. Is it possible the the dad shouldn't have been allowed near the kids? I can't see that child services didn't know about dads criminal past, and let him be near them babies. That might explain the nervousness of the mum and the muddled 911 call if dad shouldn't have been there and she slipped up. Just my opinion here, nothing else.

 

[Barbie619]

I don't think he killed her because she was crying. I could be wrong, but I think he killed her because she was imposing on his time. She had to see to that baby. He wasn't the center of her universe, especially with two children. People like him can fly into jealous rages. They'll accuse, and attack, their partners over non-existent lovers. People who live with abusers hear threats on a regular basis. They function in self-preservation mode, daily, for themselves and the children. I don't think he liked the competition, I think he hated his competition. At least the other child is far away from him now.

You responded to the comment that was I think you've taken out of context. Ms. Marple was responding to my comment about Cailyah's crying, not about CM killing Cailyah because she was crying. The crying was in reference to the point that CB could have been so exhausted that she slept through the baby's crying that morning....

 

[Whiskers16]

Your post made me think of the fact that CM has not been in his older daughter's life much, either. Based on his criminal record and the timeline of births, he was incarcerated from 5 months of pregnancy until child was 15 months old. and then was in jail for chunks of time over the past year. This makes me think about the patterns in abusive relationships, and the jealousy that might come from seeing the bond that mom had with the older daughter. And then the amount of time and attention that the newborn was taking... He didn't see what newborns were like with his first daughter because he was in prison...

Has anyone looked at whether he was in jail when Caliyah would have been conceived?