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Yes! Exactly. The government is not the same a business. And the government is not a reality-tv show either.
GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023
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Just an FYI: this thread title says Trump was charged with 10 counts. That's true in that he's charge with 10 different counts, but he's charged more than once for a few of those counts, for a total of 13.
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| Booking #: 2313655 | Fulton County Sheriff's Office | |
| Facility: | Booked: 08/22/2023 | Released: |
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| Warrant # | Charge | Issuing Auth | Offense Date | Bond/Type | Fine/Crt Costs | Disposition |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 23SC188947 | CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD (INVOLVING VIOLATION OF CHAPTER, WHICH IS A FELONY) | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD (INVOLVING VIOLATION OF CHAPTER, WHICH IS A FELONY) | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | Conspiracy To Commit a Felony | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | Conspiracy To Commit a Felony | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | Conspiracy To Commit a Felony | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE STATE OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION | 08/22/2023 | 1,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond | ||
| 23SC188947 | Violation Of The Georgia Rico (Racketeer Influenced And Corrupt Organizations) Act | 4,000.00 Surety Bond | Surety Bond |
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That said, not all business leaders are sociopaths like you know who
I don't understand why people seem to think running a business is similar to being president or being a politician- I don't see any relationship between business and politics whatsoever
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They've been told that for how long though? It's kinda like Republicans are responsible stewards of the economy and the nation's debt is just like a household credit card. Government is byzantine so it gets pitched to people in the simplest of terms - I'd argue to be manipulatively deceptive - rather like election fraud. What else did Trump have to sell himself as a candidate to moderates, centrists and independents than his perceived success?
I don't believe people are dumb but civics lessons seem to be a part of history and they do believe people they themselves trust. I recently saw a poll that indicated Trump voters trust him to tell the truth more than their families and friends. It's just dumbfounding.
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NEW: Fulton County DA has advised several of Trump’s co-defendants that they should surrender at the jail around 3am ET if they want a quick turnaround on their booking because it could take hours during the day, per ppl familiar. Expect some surrenders in early hours.
NEW: Fulton County DA has advised several of Trump’s co-defendants that they should surrender at the jail around 3am ET if they want a quick turnaround on their booking because it could take hours during the day, per ppl familiar. Expect some surrenders in early hours.
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I kinda think people are dumb LOL
Too many people have no critical thinking skills
Too many people lack common sense
and I have no idea how Trump developed this strangle-hold on millions of people- imagine trusting him more than their family and friends- it boggles the brain
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I expected some middle-of-the-night surrenders, but didn't expect they would be suggested.
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Eastman surrendered
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The idea that the donors to an election PAC could foot the bill for their legal issues is sickening. The following is from an exchange between Ellis and Schlapp. The scheming just seems to continue among the co-conspirators. Jenna Ellis' question is very interesting to me...
From USA Today (Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.):
"I was reliably informed Trump isn’t funding any of us who are indicted," said former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter. "Would this change if he becomes the nominee? Why then, not now?"
"The sooner we unify behind a nominee that sooner we can use resources to fund the defenses of everyone indicted for being a Trump Republican," Schlapp said.
In her response, Ellis said: "I totally agree this has become a bigger principle than just one man ... So why isn’t MAGA, Inc. funding everyone’s defense?"
From USA Today (Trump's former lawyer was indicted in Georgia. She wants his defense funds to pay her legal fees.):
"I was reliably informed Trump isn’t funding any of us who are indicted," said former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter. "Would this change if he becomes the nominee? Why then, not now?"
"The sooner we unify behind a nominee that sooner we can use resources to fund the defenses of everyone indicted for being a Trump Republican," Schlapp said.
In her response, Ellis said: "I totally agree this has become a bigger principle than just one man ... So why isn’t MAGA, Inc. funding everyone’s defense?"
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“Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials,” Shafer’s attorney wrote in a petition seeking to move the Fulton County case to federal court.
www.politico.com
Trump attorneys guided false electors in Georgia, GOP chair says
The false electors were later used by Trump allies to attempt to foment a conflict on Jan. 6, 2021 and derail the transfer of power to President Joe Biden.
www.politico.com
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So, she wants Trump to be the nominee so her legal bills get paid? Those legal bills come after charges that she helped overthrow an American election.
What a deplorable reason to support a candidate. imo
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Trump is paying for employees legal fees but is leaving others out in the cold. According the article below, Eastman is unable to claim attorney client privilege based on "crime-fraud exception" so any number of these lawyers will be left out in the cold.
The strategy of speaking out against Trump or backing someone else could be costly. Additionally, I wonder what will be the breaking point in flipping....
MSNBC (Opinion | Why Trump's alleged cheapness could cost him big in Georgia)
"Some of those who are named in the indictment seem even less likely than others to receive help. Ellis has been a vocal supporter of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primaries. That stance has made her a target for her former compatriots, including former Justice Department lawyer, and current co-defendant, Jeffrey Clarke. Ellis hasn’t been waiting around to see whether the reports that her support for DeSantis will get cut her off totally from Save America’s financial support are true; she has already begun fundraising to help pay her legal fees."
The strategy of speaking out against Trump or backing someone else could be costly. Additionally, I wonder what will be the breaking point in flipping....
MSNBC (Opinion | Why Trump's alleged cheapness could cost him big in Georgia)
"Some of those who are named in the indictment seem even less likely than others to receive help. Ellis has been a vocal supporter of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the GOP presidential primaries. That stance has made her a target for her former compatriots, including former Justice Department lawyer, and current co-defendant, Jeffrey Clarke. Ellis hasn’t been waiting around to see whether the reports that her support for DeSantis will get cut her off totally from Save America’s financial support are true; she has already begun fundraising to help pay her legal fees."
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RICO cases are notoriously expensive to litigate too but the main reason Trump has footed legal bills, imo, was as leverage over witnesses so it's interesting he's not now since what's to keep his co-defendants from seeking plea deals and potentially testifying against him?
It could just be petty vengeance but there also may not be enough money to go around too. Legal fees could be outpacing donations. JMO
It could just be petty vengeance but there also may not be enough money to go around too. Legal fees could be outpacing donations. JMO
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Truth that
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I think "Arraignment for All" would be a great name for a band! Or a song...
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Why doesn't it give the chapters that were violated ?
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In 2018 Republican strategist (dirty tricks expert) and Never-Trumper Rick Wilson wrote a book “Everything Trump Touches Dies.” Certainly prophetic, at least for careers, as many are discovering.
NPR‘s review convinced me not to bother reading it, but I did love the title.
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