GA GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #4

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If the original investigating PD requested the assistance from the GBI, that would of course automatically include the D.A. ***and forgive me if I’m missing something, it’s hard to keep up with every detail in each case I choose to follow. I’m giving a generic (but common) answer as to why the DA is involved.


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But.....the family have said on FB that detectives have given up. Reading that article, it sounds like a lot has been done and LE are still actively doing something.

Which of the below is right?

1) Detectives have given up. LE arent helpful (family)

2) So far, Capt. Ford said, police have served over a dozen Superior Court search warrants for phone records, conducted several ground-search activities with K-9 groups, interviewed dozens of people and, for several months, had a detective assigned exclusively to this case (AJC Article)

3) It has been a homicide case since November (family - no mention of this by LE. How have they come to this conclusion)

4) Meanwhile, the Van Gelderens, Roseanne, Leon and their son, Will, wait, hoping Jenna is alive. Somewhere. (AJC - but its a homicide case....isnt it?)

5) From the beginning, she said, their little girl was a challenge, always questioning things, so much so that the habit once landed her in a corner of her teacher’s classroom.

When a principal suggested they have her tested, Jenna was diagnosed with a nonverbal learning disability (AJC) but......

6) Its been a life long issue for her, but was only diagnosed December 2016. I don't have the full history, but I know my parents tried for years to have tests run, but they always said there 'wasnt an apparent issue. (Family)


I dont think either way on the above, im just saying everything out loud to see if i can make sense of it all.

I still dont fully understand the saturday morning events. Little details keep changing. And who is vet tech? A family friend?

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If the original investigating PD requested the assistance from the GBI, that would of course automatically include the D.A. ***and forgive me if I’m missing something, it’s hard to keep up with every detail in each case I choose to follow. I’m giving a generic (but common) answer as to why the DA is involved.


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That can't be why the DA is involved here because GBI haven't been brought in. Family have continually asked for Dekalb to bring them in. Unless they are involved unbeknownst to the family.
 
:pullhair: on this excerpt

"According to DeKalb Police Capt. Anthony Ford, nearly 500 people are reported missing in the county each year. Of those, more than 98 percent are found alive within 12 months."

Reason this has low priority?

More...

They pulled the telephone log from the phone Jenna still had on their plan and called everyone she’d talked to that Friday. Only one of them said he’d seen her the night before....

Sometimes it was as simple as using her to taxi them around town or as extreme as using her name to acquire credit for cellphones....

So far, Capt. Ford said, police have served over a dozen Superior Court search warrants for phone records, conducted several ground-search activities with K-9 groups, interviewed dozens of people and, for several months, had a detective assigned exclusively to this case....

Ford said there are a couple of people of interest, but no one he would classify as a suspect and no active leads.
So 2% don't return- that's 10 a year. How many of those 10 are homicides or stay missing I wonder? Jenna has to be in that category as it is 7 months now.

And that's DeKalb. How many go missing in Fulton where she lived and was last actually seen and her phone pinged?

Unfortunately that AJC link won't even load for me. It says " not a secure connection".
 
But.....the family have said on FB that detectives have given up. Reading that article, it sounds like a lot has been done and LE are still actively doing something.

Which of the below is right?

1) Detectives have given up. LE arent helpful (family)

2) So far, Capt. Ford said, police have served over a dozen Superior Court search warrants for phone records, conducted several ground-search activities with K-9 groups, interviewed dozens of people and, for several months, had a detective assigned exclusively to this case (AJC Article)

I was surprised to read that there was a detective assigned to Jenna exclusively. LE has been especially quiet in this case, I believe. IMO, there’s “something bigger than Jenna” going on here. It doesn’t surprise me if the family feels like not enough has been done to find Jenna because LE has been so secretive about the whole investigation.

3) It has been a homicide case since November (family - no mention of this by LE. How have they come to this conclusion)

4) Meanwhile, the Van Gelderens, Roseanne, Leon and their son, Will, wait, hoping Jenna is alive. Somewhere. (AJC - but its a homicide case....isnt it?)

Yeah, I wonder where the homicide label came from? Maybe the assigned detective was a homicide detective, and so the family made the leap? But even if it were labeled homicide, it wouldn’t be unusual for the family to hold out hope for her being alive.

5) From the beginning, she said, their little girl was a challenge, always questioning things, so much so that the habit once landed her in a corner of her teacher’s classroom.

When a principal suggested they have her tested, Jenna was diagnosed with a nonverbal learning disability (AJC) but......

6) Its been a life long issue for her, but was only diagnosed December 2016. I don't have the full history, but I know my parents tried for years to have tests run, but they always said there 'wasnt an apparent issue. (Family)

My daughter sounds a lot like Jenna in many ways. Jenna being diagnosed with a non-verbal disability at a young age and then with high-functioning autism later doesn’t surprise me at all. I always knew my daughter was “different” from other kids. She had a hard time fitting in with real life people. So she did some things online she shouldn’t have. But the teachers always either said there was no problem, or they would say it’s not a big enough issue to get her labeled with some sort of disability. It has been so difficult to raise her! On one hand, she was so smart that they put her in advanced classes, and she even won a scholarship for computers at a university. But on the other hand, the high school had to drop her out of advanced classes because she got so overwhelmed that she couldn’t finish her assignments. She made it through two years of university before completely melting down. Shortly after that, she got an official diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder, which is kind of a catch-all diagnosis.

Sorry for the really long personal anecdote, but it doesn’t surprise me if Jenna had issues as a child and an official diagnosis much later on. I think about all the Van Gelderen’s daily and hope for some answers soon.
 
I was surprised to read that there was a detective assigned to Jenna exclusively. LE has been especially quiet in this case, I believe. IMO, there’s “something bigger than Jenna” going on here. It doesn’t surprise me if the family feels like not enough has been done to find Jenna because LE has been so secretive about the whole investigation.



Yeah, I wonder where the homicide label came from? Maybe the assigned detective was a homicide detective, and so the family made the leap? But even if it were labeled homicide, it wouldn’t be unusual for the family to hold out hope for her being alive.



My daughter sounds a lot like Jenna in many ways. Jenna being diagnosed with a non-verbal disability at a young age and then with high-functioning autism later doesn’t surprise me at all. I always knew my daughter was “different” from other kids. She had a hard time fitting in with real life people. So she did some things online she shouldn’t have. But the teachers always either said there was no problem, or they would say it’s not a big enough issue to get her labeled with some sort of disability. It has been so difficult to raise her! On one hand, she was so smart that they put her in advanced classes, and she even won a scholarship for computers at a university. But on the other hand, the high school had to drop her out of advanced classes because she got so overwhelmed that she couldn’t finish her assignments. She made it through two years of university before completely melting down. Shortly after that, she got an official diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder, which is kind of a catch-all diagnosis.

Sorry for the really long personal anecdote, but it doesn’t surprise me if Jenna had issues as a child and an official diagnosis much later on. I think about all the Van Gelderen’s daily and hope for some answers soon.

Thanks for sharing this. I know how hard it is, totally different story here, but yes sometimes life for a child and also the parents is quite hard to handle (it's been a very hard struggle for my son and me (almost got me on my knees) going on for 22 years now. All the heartbreaking stuff he had to endure (bullied to the bone, people not understanding, using him, trying to make friends just using him, make a laugh of him, depression as a result of that, educational opportunities (although very intelligent) gone, etc.) and still turned up to be a very social, loving person. I love him dearly and I will never give up on him..never! (whatever people are saying)

Sorry for my long personal anecdote to!
 
I don't really understand why LE in Atlanta do not seem to take any account of the vulnerability of adults when they are investigating missing persons.
They are obviously much more likely to be deceived and duped into dangerous situations, so are more likely to make bad decisions and therefore highly likely to come to harm.
 
AJC article:

Posted: 5:00 a.m. Friday, March 23, 2018

It has been seven months since Roseanne and Leon Van Gelderen learned their daughter, Jenna, was missing. Seven months.

Seven months of being stuck in the gray area. Seven months of not knowing. Seven months of feeling helpless.

It’s a horrible place to be, but every year, according to DeKalb County police, somewhere around 500 people go missing.

“I’ve been advocating for Jenna my entire life, through the school system, social situations, through college and beyond, that’s what I did,” Roseanne said. “Now I feel like like I’ve hit a brick wall.”

And yet, both she and Jenna’s father are hoping against hope authorities will soon find Jenna alive. The chances of that happening are actually pretty good.

Jenna Van Gelderen was last seen in August at her parent’s home in DeKalb County.

According to DeKalb Police Capt. Anthony Ford, nearly 500 people are reported missing in the county each year. Of those, more than 98 percent are found alive within 12 months.

Jenna, 26, was reported missing Aug. 19, shortly after her parents, who were away on vacation in Canada, received a call from a family friend saying he couldn’t reach her.

Her brother, William, hadn’t been able to reach Jenna either.

“I tried calling her to let her know I was going to be late,” he said

When William arrived, the doors to the family’s Druid Hills home were locked. The lights and television were on. Jessie, their beloved rescue cat, hadn’t been fed. It was as if Jenna had vanished into thin air along with her car and the suitcase she had when she arrived to house-sit.

William continued trying to call Jenna but couldn’t get an answer.

“We knew something was wrong,” Leon Van Gelderen said. “No one could reach her.”

They pulled the telephone log from the phone Jenna still had on their plan and called everyone she’d talked to that Friday. Only one of them said he’d seen her the night before.

Two days later, the couple arrived home from Canada. Police, they said, believed Jenna had left of her own free will. The Van Gelderens, though, are convinced she’d left against her will.

Besides her phone charger, Jenna’s shoes and makeup were still there. And most importantly, Jessie the cat.

“She loved that cat. She would’ve made arrangements for the cat,” her father said. “This is completely out of character.”

Jenna was the second of the Van Gelderens’ two children, arriving five years after William and a miscarriage.

“I was homebound with her, and really glad when she arrived,” Roseanne said.


From the beginning, she said, their little girl was a challenge, always questioning things, so much so that the habit once landed her in a corner of her teacher’s classroom.

When a principal suggested they have her tested, Jenna was diagnosed with a nonverbal learning disability.

By middle school, things had really turned bad. Unable to understand the bounds of friendship, she was often excluded from parties and other social gatherings. By high school, she was often the victim of bullying.

She transferred to the Howard School, where she graduated in 2010, before heading to Georgia.

Unable to keep up, she left there after three years and enrolled at Gwinnett Tech, where two years ago she earned an administrative assistant certificate.

Her penchant for structure had paid off.

“She was a very regimented person,” Roseanne recalled. “She remembered every birthday, every anniversary. If we planned a vacation, she wanted to know every detail in advance — when we were going, where we were going, what time we were eating.

“That’s why her disappearing is totally out of character. She was continuously checking in with us every day. She’d call and ask me questions, and I’d call and ask her questions. Every hour, I was getting pictures of Jessie from her.”

Jenna’s need to fit in, to be accepted, however, was a point of great concern for her parents. They worried that people took advantage of her.

Their fears only heightened when she decided to move out last April without telling them where she was staying.

“She thought she was making friends, but they were people who used her,” her father said.

Sometimes it was as simple as using her to taxi them around town or as extreme as using her name to acquire credit for cellphones.

Jenna Van Gelderen is described as 4 feet 11 and weighing 140 pounds with dark brown hair and brown eyes. You might have seen billboards across the state bearing her image, pleading for information

Police are still investigating her disappearance, but as of last week, they had no reported sightings, no phone activity, no bank account activity, and no social media activity.

Jenna’s phone pinged at 7:15 a.m. and 7:45 a.m. in Fairburn the morning she went missing, and two weeks later, her dark blue Mazda 6 was found parked along a road in northwest Atlanta when a woman recognized it from information she saw on Facebook.

So far, Capt. Ford said, police have served over a dozen Superior Court search warrants for phone records, conducted several ground-search activities with K-9 groups, interviewed dozens of people and, for several months, had a detective assigned exclusively to this case.

“We can’t stress how important it is that anyone with information about Jenna, no matter how trivial it may seem to them, contact us,” he said. “They can also contact Crimestoppers at 404-577-TIPS (8477) if they wish to remain anonymous. There’s a $25,000 reward being offered in this case.”

The Van Gelderens are offering an additional $25,000 for their daughter’s safe return.

Ford said there are a couple of people of interest, but no one he would classify as a suspect and no active leads.

“All of us here can imagine how distraught we’d be if it was our loved one, and we’ll continue to follow any investigative avenue we feel might be productive,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Van Gelderens, Roseanne, Leon and their son, Will, wait, hoping Jenna is alive. Somewhere.

“To not know is the worst thing in the world,” Roseanne said. “I don’t want to think the worst. "

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I am beginning to wonder whether she came back to the house at all Friday night. If she was "laying down" at the house then she would have still been there in the morning and the cat would have been fed. The lights and TV would not have been on. Nobody saw her at the house later Friday night and police should have her phone location for when the 2 a.m.text was sent. The phones are the key to solving this imo.

TY for posting the AJC article Stanly. Do you notice only one phone is referred to in the article and her phone charger (singular) was left at the house? So is that incorrect or did she take one charger with her - the metro phone charger perhaps? And it was perhaps the metro phone pinging near Fairburn Saturday a.m. while someone else was driving her car around. One would think that having two phones would make someone easier to trace. LE have subpoenas on 12 phones altogether - 2 must be Jenna's so that is 10 other phones they have requested the records for - I wonder if they have all the details back yet?

I also see that a family friend first notified J's parents that they could not get hold of her and not Subie as we had assumed.

Little details have changed or they have them down wrong in this article.
 
"Originally posted by Shiressleuth"
"I am beginning to wonder whether she came back to the house at all Friday night. If she was "laying down" at the house then she would have still been there in the morning and the cat would have been fed. The lights and TV would not have been on. Nobody saw her at the house later Friday night and police should have her phone location for when the 2 a.m.text was sent. The phones are the key to solving this imo."

I definitely agree about the phones & the 2:30 text message providing a drove of information. I'm all over the place, changing my mind all the time about what I think about this case. I still think Jenna came back to the parents house at some point late Friday night / early Saturday morning to switch cars. And I think she had a guy friend with her, just because of the passenger seat in Moms car being pushed back so far, and someone reported seeing her with a male passenger in Moms car Friday night (isn't that right?). I think they probably hung out at the house for a while and Jenna checked her FB from home, then they left to go out again a little later. I'm wavering on whether she was home for the 2:30 text message and who actually sent that message. I just can't ignore the fact that Instagram Guy wanted Jenna to go down to College Park to meet him Friday night, but he didn't want her to drive Mom's car to CP. He said he would meet her near Lindbergh instead (not too far from her apartment). IG sent the butt calls late Friday night to Jenna's phone. And IG is familiar with College Park and Campbellton Rd areas...... and Fairborn is not too far down the highway. (College Park, Campbellton Rd and Fairburn kind of form a triangle on the map). To me, that's just not a coincidence ... it's a huge red flag.
 
So, ALtmom, in your opinion, what do you think that might mean? (As in who did what?) Re: post above, it not being coincidence, whether she ever went home Fri night, butt calls and who was in the passenger seat).
 
I asked for clarification on that comment but havent seen a reply. If anyone does see one, plz update us here!(about a witness now also being missing.)
 
Sorry, thought id attached a quote. I was talking about the one someone posted on latest article about a "witness" that has no also gone missing.
 
Sorry, thought id attached a quote. I was talking about the one someone posted on latest article about a "witness" that has no also gone missing.
Looking at the comments on the official FB page, it was stated that a man who saw jenna that night has not come forward again and seems to have disappeared. I dont think they mean literally 'missing' but it looks like they mean he called up and hasnt been in touch again. MOO

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Looking at the comments on the official FB page, it was stated that a man who saw jenna that night has not come forward again and seems to have disappeared. I dont think they mean literally 'missing' but it looks like they mean he called up and hasnt been in touch again. MOO

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Ohhhh!thanks for that. I thought it meant literally.
 
Ohhhh!thanks for that. I thought it meant literally.
And me at first but reading the second comment from the same poster they say "I think someone came forward and said they knew what happened but then the guy disappeared.. maybe he was not being truthful.. I don't know" i take this as not been in touch again because 'missing' is such a strong word and means so much more IMO.

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@ Criminal Justice Mom (sorry I forgot to include the quote).

Who do I think is involved & what happened to Jenna? That's a loaded question, if only I knew the answer. Like I said, I've changed my mind a gazillion times about what happened, but I don't think Jenna's disappearance & the house being found in disarray was a "random crime". I believe someone who knew the VG parents were out of town is involved. So I hope LE has compiled a list of anyone who knows they were gone, not limited to Jenna's circle of friends. I know Jenna's neighborhood and area of town very well - Home invasion or burglary in the middle of the night would be very unlikely. One of those things that "could" happen, but doubtful in my mind. (Per APD, most burglaries happen during the afternoon hours when people are working or away from home).

Since there was no sign of forced entry---- Either Jenna opened the door & let someone into the house or she willingly brought someone back to the house with her late Friday night. OR someone who had been to the house that week when the parents were gone could have cracked open a window or unlocked a back door, then entered the house at a later time and stole the tapestry (thinking it was worth some money, brought a glass cutter with them). OR someone came back and entered the house early Saturday before dawn AFTER Jenna went missing, and that person had possession of Jenna's car & house keys (unlocked and entered thru the front door, staged the house to be in disarray, left the TV on, stole the tapestry- with a glass cutter they brought with them? so weird, and put her suitcase in the car.) I'm not sure where I stand on the tapestry..... it may not even be related to he disappearance, could have been stolen before she went missing or it was stolen as a red herring. I'm still totally confused about what happened to Jenna, a number of scenarios could have taken place.

I definitely think, the Ex-boyfriend (he admitted to seeing her Friday night, kept changing his story, and painted the negative picture to police as J being involved with drugs & prostitution) must be a POI. Would have to be. And IMO, Instagram Guy, should also be considered a POI (even though he denied seeing Jenna Friday night, doesn't mean that's true), for the reasons I listed in the above thread. IMO, and this is just a gut feeling......IG was a shady guy who was familiar with the south side of Atlanta, and likely had some familiarity with Fairburn as well. Other friends of Jenna's may be POI also, but these two, in my mind, warrent close attention by LE.
 
@ Criminal Justice Mom (sorry I forgot to include the quote).

Who do I think is involved & what happened to Jenna? That's a loaded question, if only I knew the answer. Like I said, I've changed my mind a gazillion times about what happened, but I don't think Jenna's disappearance & the house being found in disarray was a "random crime". I believe someone who knew the VG parents were out of town is involved. So I hope LE has compiled a list of anyone who knows they were gone, not limited to Jenna's circle of friends. I know Jenna's neighborhood and area of town very well - Home invasion or burglary in the middle of the night would be very unlikely. One of those things that "could" happen, but doubtful in my mind. (Per APD, most burglaries happen during the afternoon hours when people are working or away from home).

Since there was no sign of forced entry---- Either Jenna opened the door & let someone into the house or she willingly brought someone back to the house with her late Friday night. OR someone who had been to the house that week when the parents were gone could have cracked open a window or unlocked a back door, then entered the house at a later time and stole the tapestry (thinking it was worth some money, brought a glass cutter with them). OR someone came back and entered the house early Saturday before dawn AFTER Jenna went missing, and that person had possession of Jenna's car & house keys (unlocked and entered thru the front door, staged the house to be in disarray, left the TV on, stole the tapestry- with a glass cutter they brought with them? so weird, and put her suitcase in the car.) I'm not sure where I stand on the tapestry..... it may not even be related to he disappearance, could have been stolen before she went missing or it was stolen as a red herring. I'm still totally confused about what happened to Jenna, a number of scenarios could have taken place.

I definitely think, the Ex-boyfriend (he admitted to seeing her Friday night, kept changing his story, and painted the negative picture to police as J being involved with drugs & prostitution) must be a POI. Would have to be. And IMO, Instagram Guy, should also be considered a POI (even though he denied seeing Jenna Friday night, doesn't mean that's true), for the reasons I listed in the above thread. IMO, and this is just a gut feeling......IG was a shady guy who was familiar with the south side of Atlanta, and likely had some familiarity with Fairburn as well. Other friends of Jenna's may be POI also, but these two, in my mind, warrent close attention by LE.

How do they know it was a glass cutter for sure?
 
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