GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #4

[PrairieWind]

RSBM

I share your thoughts. The combination of different types (depths) of the wounds with the addition of the blunt-force injuries keep steering me back to more than one weapon. I don't think any of the wounds seem to be made with a serrated edge. But, I wonder if more than one weapon means more than one attacker? Or was it a multi-blade weapon? Or a killer who just worked quickly with a single blade?

This case really bothers me.

That some of the cuts were quite shallow made me thing perhaps something like a box cutter was used for some of the wounds. The deep cuts would seem to clearly be a sturdy knife.

 

[TL4S]

The natal cleft wound is very disturbing.

It is, I agree, but just as disturbing is the mutilation to her breast, belly, and face. It is in the compilation of her injuries that shows the deep depravity of her killer. I've always had trouble singling out any one wound as sicker or more telling than another because they are all so demented.

On a different note, IMO, all of the many shallow wounds, a lot of which are intersecting, gives a feeling of purpose and precision to the wounds rather than something done in a blind rage. The idea that it was a personal attack then gives way to the idea of a random psychotic-type event, in my perspective. Jmo.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

We don't know that it was just one killer. In fact I just had the craziest thought that an unrelated individual might have mutilated the body after she was killed.

 

[ElectricZZ]

It is, I agree, but just as disturbing is the mutilation to her breast, belly, and face. It is in the compilation of her injuries that shows the deep depravity of her killer. I've always had trouble singling out any one wound as sicker or more telling than another because they are all so demented.

On a different note, IMO, all of the many shallow wounds, a lot of which are intersecting, gives a feeling of purpose and precision to the wounds rather than something done in a blind rage. The idea that it was a personal attack then gives way to the idea of a random psychotic-type event, in my perspective. Jmo.

I agree that they are all very disturbing. However, this particular injury keeps me up at night. This injury tells me just how demented this person is. All of it is horrifying, YES, but there is something about this cut. JMO

 

[fred&edna]

Deep natal cleft wound and the more precise-type mutilation. And, the murder of Bowie. How did it ALL happen so damn fast?!!

 

[AtlantaBourne]

We don't know that it was just one killer. In fact I just had the craziest thought that an unrelated individual might have mutilated the body after she was killed.

Whoa....wait a minute...
That is a possibility!
JMOHO

 

[ElectricZZ]

Whoa....wait a minute...
That is a possibility!
JMOHO

I've considered this theory for MONTHS

 

[linneax]

I've considered this theory for MONTHS

Hmm, that would mean there are two homicidal maniacs running around Atlanta who want to kill or mutilate women? It's possible. But the time frame was very short and the chances are not good that both things could happen in a half hour, or however long the timeframe was. More likely it was a two-person murder to begin with. JMO

 

[CrimeAway]

I can't figure out who handled the necropsy. GBI claims they didn't do it. Same for the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office. No one seems to know where Bowie's body was sent. I was wondering if maybe it was sent to UGA College of Veterinary Medicine. Does anyone have any other thoughts?

UGA vet school would be the most obvious choice, IMO.

Necropsy - University of Georgia College of Veterinary Medicine

Necropsy - University of Georgia College of Veterinary Medicine

 

[BGGS]

Agree. After leaving Henry's (assuming the time given by EC was accurate) Katie and Bowie went somewhere else, crossed to the south side of 10th, and then came back to be caught on camera crossing 10th back to the north side. Assuming she crossed 10th, then Piedmont and continued along 10th to enter the park at the SW corner, (which I think is the most likely route) they could have arrived in the vicinity of the CA gate about 12:25-12:27. I think the attack occurred then or shortly thereafter and lasted a couple minutes.
I do think the timeline is critical in this case. So the time KJ left Henry's and when EC left, and when EC saw KJ's phones wasn't movie, when she arrived at the park, time of the 911 call, all of those are important down to the minute. I'm sure the police have that timeline all pinned down, but it is still vague in the media reports as far as I can tell. We have the time on the rainbow crossing photo, but we are just assuming that time stamp is accurate. We have the time stamps on the CA gate photos and I think we can safely assume those are accurate. And I think we have the time of the 911 call correct? Anyone remember?

Has anyone created a timeline in a chart form, or literally a line, like we used to do in elementary school? I've been digging through old posts, trying to create one, but it's going to take awhile because it seems to me that a lot of what we know about times comes from JC, who seems to change his story often, so I want to use LE/MSM sources only.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that Katie was seen on the rainbow crosswalk at 12:09 a.m., assuming the time stamp on that camera is correct. But what I can't find (yet) is the time the 911 call was made. I found one article that said the police arrived on scene at 1:10 a.m., but I don't know if that's exact.

 

[fred&edna]

Has anyone created a timeline in a chart form, or literally a line, like we used to do in elementary school? I've been digging through old posts, trying to create one, but it's going to take awhile because it seems to me that a lot of what we know about times comes from JC, who seems to change his story often, so I want to use LE/MSM sources only.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that Katie was seen on the rainbow crosswalk at 12:09 a.m., assuming the time stamp on that camera is correct. But what I can't find (yet) is the time the 911 call was made. I found one article that said the police arrived on scene at 1:10 a.m., but I don't know if that's exact.

Yes. Here's a post in this thread by @AtlantaBourne ... and there are additional discussions before and after this.

GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #4

The timeline has always been a problem for me.
If KJ & B left Henry's at 10th & Juniper around 11:35 as EC stated in last interview (11alivenews-partner of KJ asks Atl PD to clear her)
& walked to 10th & Piedmont. She should have arrived at the rainbow crosswalk around 11:50. There's 19 minutes unaccounted for.
She crosses 10th in a northerly direction, staying on Piedmont. At that point we don't know if she continued down Piedmont or turned right to go down 10th, having to cross Piedmont in an easterly direction.
EC thought she would be home when she got home. I would speculate EC did not know KJ was going to the park. There has never been any public statement regarding what time EC left work or what time she got home except EC stated in 1st interview w/CBS46 news she left work about an hour after KJ & B stpped by to say hi.
At the vigil for KJ & B, JC stated that EC found them at 12:57am.
In a recent interview JC stated EC found them at 1:09.
So IMO there are quite a few missing pieces to the timeline & locations that would make sleuthing this case easier.
JMO.

 

[BGGS]

Yes. Here's a post in this thread by @AtlantaBourne ... and there are additional discussions before and after this.

GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #4

The timeline has always been a problem for me.
If KJ & B left Henry's at 10th & Juniper around 11:35 as EC stated in last interview (11alivenews-partner of KJ asks Atl PD to clear her)
& walked to 10th & Piedmont. She should have arrived at the rainbow crosswalk around 11:50. There's 19 minutes unaccounted for.
She crosses 10th in a northerly direction, staying on Piedmont. At that point we don't know if she continued down Piedmont or turned right to go down 10th, having to cross Piedmont in an easterly direction.
EC thought she would be home when she got home. I would speculate EC did not know KJ was going to the park. There has never been any public statement regarding what time EC left work or what time she got home except EC stated in 1st interview w/CBS46 news she left work about an hour after KJ & B stpped by to say hi.
At the vigil for KJ & B, JC stated that EC found them at 12:57am.
In a recent interview JC stated EC found them at 1:09.
So IMO there are quite a few missing pieces to the timeline & locations that would make sleuthing this case easier.
JMO.

Thank you; I saw this, too, and was going to use it as a basis, but I don't want to use JC as a source -- he's unreliable at best. I've been searching the stories to see if there's an actual time on the 911 call, but so far no luck.

 

[PrairieWind]

Thank you; I saw this, too, and was going to use it as a basis, but I don't want to use JC as a source -- he's unreliable at best. I've been searching the stories to see if there's an actual time on the 911 call, but so far no luck.

I was looking for a reliable source on the time of the 911 call a week or so ago and really never could find one. You'd think that would be easy to pin down.

 

[FonescaFan]

Thank you; I saw this, too, and was going to use it as a basis, but I don't want to use JC as a source -- he's unreliable at best. I've been searching the stories to see if there's an actual time on the 911 call, but so far no luck.

I am not comfortable using any non-LE released or confirmed times. Basically the only known times are when Katie and Bowie were in the rainbow crosswalk— 12:09 am, and when they were found murdered —around 1am. I have 12:57 in my mind as the time of EC’s call, but I can’t find the link to the MSM call, sorry. JMO.

 

[TL4S]

I am not comfortable using any non-LE released or confirmed times. Basically the only known times are when Katie and Bowie were in the rainbow crosswalk— 12:09 am, and when they were found murdered —around 1am. I have 12:57 in my mind as the time of EC’s call, but I can’t find the link to the MSM call, sorry. JMO.

I agree. We also have potential witness times from the cameras, which range from 11:55 to 12:46 (approx). I'm not sure they are all that helpful to us, though, since we don't know what, if anything, any of them saw (especially the jogger).

 

[fred&edna]

dbm

 

[dotr]

''An absence of school work'' interesting that a school was mentioned as opposed to saying someone missing work etc.
A student? ...speculation, imo.
Re post rbbm.
Katherine Janness 911 Call - YouTube

911 call released in murder at Piedmont Park | News | cbs46.com
''If you saw anyone with any unexplained injuries, an intense attraction to this case in the media. A change in appearance. A change in hair color. A change in any type of facial hair. An absence of school work, come forward give us a call,” said Deputy Chief Hampton. “There is nothing too insignificant,” he added.''

 

[fred&edna]

This seems the most reliable source (imo)

On July 28, 2021 the Katherine Janness’ body was discovered inside Piedmont Park. She was last seen walking her dog in Midtown Atlanta. (Photo on flyer was at 12:09am July 28, 2021)

Incident summary:

On Wednesday July 28, 2021, at around 1:10am officers responded to Piedmont Park, 1073 Piedmont Ave, on a report of a person stabbed. On scene officers found a deceased adult female with multiple stab wounds. Atlanta Police Homicide Unit detectives responded and are investigating the incident.

Investigators are actively working to identify the suspect in this crime and are asking anyone with information to please contact the Atlanta Police Homicide Unit or Crime Stoppers at 404-577-8477. Callers can remain completely anonymous. The reward is up to $10,000.

More at the link, including:

Investigators are actively working to identify anyone involved in this crime and are asking anyone with information to please contact the Atlanta Police Homicide Unit or Crime Stoppers at 404-577-8477. Investigators are also asking those who live in this area to review footage from their security cameras and contact police if they find anything that may be pertinent to this investigation. The timeframe for review should be between 10:30 PM on Tuesday July 27, to 1:30 AM on Wednesday July 28. Callers can remain completely anonymous and could be eligible for a reward of up to $10,000.

News List | Atlanta Police Department.

 

[Jade]

That some of the cuts were quite shallow made me thing perhaps something like a box cutter was used for some of the wounds. The deep cuts would seem to clearly be a sturdy knife.

A guy was telling me about a visit to a new fancy barber and he described being shaved with an extremely sharp straight edge blade thing.


It would be a bit fiddly for a blitz attack but if a victim was struck by a blunt object and incapacitated it would be ideal for precision work.


edit:

Just looked at them closer online there is no point on the blade so maybe not so ideal.


Moo

 

[Periwinkl3]

Re the APD asking the public about ''...An absence of school work....''

Public schools didn't resume until early August (the next week), according to the APS calendar. I can't tell if they were all still/ever on Zoom. I saw no mention of summer school, but most schools wouldn't end it so close to the start of the regular school year.

College students would, of course, be very different.