GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 2021 #5

[AzPistonsGirl]

podcasts are not autopsy reports

 

[JackieBrown]

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Thanks for the podcast. I’m listening to it now. I skimmed the transcript and found an answer to one of my questions:
“So was this a frenzied event or was she somehow removed somewhere else, maybe under cover, and all of this stuff was done to her. But you can't get past the fact that this was facilitated by an individual that had to take a significant amount of time. You know, you can say “frenzy”, we can apply that term, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it happened over a very short period of time.”

 

[RetLawyer]

Thanks for the podcast. I’m listening to it now. I skimmed the transcript and found an answer to one of my questions:
“So was this a frenzied event or was she somehow removed somewhere else, maybe under cover, and all of this stuff was done to her. But you can't get past the fact that this was facilitated by an individual that had to take a significant amount of time. You know, you can say “frenzy”, we can apply that term, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it happened over a very short period of time.”

Not sure who you are quoting, but KJ’s killer had at most 15 - 20 min. He probably didn’t need or take that much time. A number of forensic pathologists think it took about 5 min.

 

[Quell]

It seems Joseph Scott Morgan (former senior investigator with the Fulton County ME Office) (in his Body Bags Podcast) says the killer took his time. DA Fani Willis said the same in a press conference early on.

 

[JackieBrown]

Not sure who you are quoting, but KJ’s killer had at most 15 - 20 min. He probably didn’t need or take that much time. A number of forensic pathologists think it took about 5 min.

Thanks for sharing that.

Quoting (from the podcast upthread) this gentleman who reviewed the autopsy report.

Joseph Scott Morgan and his credentials:

Joseph Scott Morgan, MFS, F-ABMDI - Criminal Justice and Forensic Investigation

Medicolegal death investigator expert, author/podcaster Joseph Scott Morgan is a frequent contributor to Headline News, CNN, and Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

jsu.edu

The podcast and full transcript here:

Body Bags: Murder in Piedmont Park - Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Discretion advised: Details in this report may be disturbing.Katherine “Katie” Janness takes her dog, Bowie, for a late-night walk in the Midtown area of Atlanta. Janness stops at a local bar to say hello to her girlfriend, who's working. When Janness' girlfriend gets off work, no one is home...

omny.fm

 

[Rush4087]

It seems Joseph Scott Morgan (former senior investigator with the Fulton County ME Office) (in his Body Bags Podcast) says the killer took his time. DA Fani Willis said the same in a press conference early on.

Unless Joseph Scott Morgan knows the exact moment the attack on KJ began and the exact moment the attack ended, and unless he witnessed the disposition and actual actions of the murderer (which he did not), there is no way he (let alone Fani Willis) could know whether the killer “took his time” or not. Imo Morgan and Willis’ statements are pure speculation, and irresponsible speculation at that.

Morgan and Willis’s statement gave the impression that the killing was almost done at leisure, a slow sadistic torture. I have never bought that. And he (and Fani) simply could not know. I guess he thinks it would take a long time to stab and slash somebody 50 times with a knife. I personally think it could be done in mere minutes (even if you wanted to carve 3 letters, which I’m not sure they did), especially if the victim was incapacitated early on

Remember, the killer first had to dispose of Bowie. The killer also had to worry about being seen or caught (even if they were suffering from psychosis, they knew enough to leave quickly).

I find it very hard to believe that the killer knelt over KJ within view of the CA gate and “took their time”. As video shows, there are still people around the park at that hour. Even in the case of a non random attack, it would have been a frenzied, less than 5 minute mauling. And maybe even less than that (jmo). Then he was gone.

I know he’s with the ME office, but Morgan and Fani Willis’s statements jeopardized the investigation imo, as they painted just one picture / psychopathology / attitude of the suspect: that of a slow sick dissection done to maximize pain. I just don’t believe they could possibly know 100
percent from the nature of the wounds that that is what happened, and if they’re wrong, it discounts other scenarios and possible suspects that otherwise should be considered.

All jmo

 

[Quell]

Joe Scott Morgan’s former employer (Ful Co ME Office) is the party that released KJs ME report without statement.

What are y’all’s thoughts about that? Did that also jeopardize the investigation?

 

[RetLawyer]

Joe Scott Morgan’s former employer (Ful Co ME Office) is the party that released KJs ME report without statement.

What are y’all’s thoughts about that? Did that also jeopardize the investigation?

I don’t think it harmed the investigation at all. I think it helped focus attention to the case. The APD needs to release more information. That’s how difficult cases are solved, especially cold cases. The case needs to be kept in the public’s eye. When no information is released and there is not a more complete understanding of what happened, the case doesn’t get written about and not enough people think and talk about the case. For example, APD could release some of the victimology report so the public knows more about what Katie was doing in the days/weeks/months leading up to her death. That could jog someone’s memory about something that could be a useful tip. Same if they would release some of the murderers profile. IMHO

 

[Quell]

@RetLawyer Is it typical to do all of what you’ve described and APDs approach is bit out of the norm? Asking because this is the first crime I’ve followed like this (since 6a the day of the murder) and I don’t know how these things shld go/have no reference for it.

 

[RetLawyer]

@RetLawyer Is it typical to do all of what you’ve described and APDs approach is bit out of the norm? Asking because this is the first crime I’ve followed like this (since 6a the day of the murder) and I don’t know how these things shld go/have no reference for it.

It really depends on the police department. Usually the FBI will advise the police to release certain information. Usually when a difficult case goes cold, the police department will release more information, so, the answer to your question is: it depends. But IMHO the APD needs to release more information to engage the public. The last time I spoke with a detective at the APD, they had no leads and no suspect.

 

[Cowabunga02]

I see you liked the post above, but I really think you should listen to this podcast first. This guy is a medical official with Atlanta for a long time, and unless you did what he did and have a medical degree, I think he knows a lot more about it then any of us do. This is going to be the real description of what went on here. So yeah definitely listen to this. Edit - And in case you didn't see it, it's linked in the post for Hexicon, above.

Joe Scott Morgan’s former employer (Ful Co ME Office) is the party that released KJs ME report without statement.

What are y’all’s thoughts about that? Did that also jeopardize the investigation?

An autopsy is no one’s business but the family’s. They should be the ones to say if it is released to the public or not. And I do believe that facts in this/any autopsy can inform the killer/s and therefore possibly cause ground to be lost in an investigation.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Unless Joseph Scott Morgan knows the exact moment the attack on KJ began and the exact moment the attack ended, and unless he witnessed the disposition and actual actions of the murderer (which he did not), there is no way he (let alone Fani Willis) could know whether the killer “took his time” or not. Imo Morgan and Willis’ statements are pure speculation, and irresponsible speculation at that.

Morgan and Willis’s statement gave the impression that the killing was almost done at leisure, a slow sadistic torture. I have never bought that. And he (and Fani) simply could not know. I guess he thinks it would take a long time to stab and slash somebody 50 times with a knife. I personally think it could be done in mere minutes (even if you wanted to carve 3 letters, which I’m not sure they did), especially if the victim was incapacitated early on

Remember, the killer first had to dispose of Bowie. The killer also had to worry about being seen or caught (even if they were suffering from psychosis, they knew enough to leave quickly).

I find it very hard to believe that the killer knelt over KJ within view of the CA gate and “took their time”. As video shows, there are still people around the park at that hour. Even in the case of a non random attack, it would have been a frenzied, less than 5 minute mauling. And maybe even less than that (jmo). Then he was gone.

I know he’s with the ME office, but Morgan and Fani Willis’s statements jeopardized the investigation imo, as they painted just one picture / psychopathology / attitude of the suspect: that of a slow sick dissection done to maximize pain. I just don’t believe they could possibly know 100
percent from the nature of the wounds that that is what happened, and if they’re wrong, it discounts other scenarios and possible suspects that otherwise should be considered.

All jmo

Your opinion has to align with the evidence. The doctor there on the podcast describes injuries that were very deep and precise and through thick tissue. And he has knowledge of how long it takes to make those injuries. So I think his opinion is a little more valid than yours. Unless you are similarly skilled somehow, either through working with animals.

And if the perp was in the trees, perhaps behind a rock or a tree stump or a little hill, then he is not really visible from the road. I think yes, he can take his time in a closed dark park. That was part of the thrill of terrorizing a city. I mean he could probably stay there all night if he wanted to. But then the girlfriend came looking for her.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

An autopsy is no one’s business but the family’s. They should be the ones to say if it is released to the public or not. And I do believe that facts in this/any autopsy can inform the killer/s and therefore possibly cause ground to be lost in an investigation.

How is the autopsy going to inform the killer here? What it does here, is shed light on his mindset, and inform the type of killer we should be looking for.

And by the way, did you hear on podcast, both of them talking about her running at the scene? So I'm not the only one talking about running, apparently.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Joe Scott Morgan’s former employer (Ful Co ME Office) is the party that released KJs ME report without statement.

What are y’all’s thoughts about that? Did that also jeopardize the investigation?

Really? He did that? That's awesome. I could tell he was a good guy by the way he spoke. Because the public needed to know about this. Police have tried to hide other similar murders, like the Tara Baker case, and wouldn't even release a death certificate for 11 years. Did that help solve the case? We still don't know what happened really in that case. No, the more openness the better.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

And I've got another little tidbit for you. If the killer works like how I think he works, he returned to the scene of a crime and often. He probably got himself cleaned up that night, and came back and watched the police work. That was part of the thrill of it.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

It really depends on the police department. Usually the FBI will advise the police to release certain information. Usually when a difficult case goes cold, the police department will release more information, so, the answer to your question is: it depends. But IMHO the APD needs to release more information to engage the public. The last time I spoke with a detective at the APD, they had no leads and no suspect.

If they had leads or a suspect, they would not tell you. No matter how well you know them.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Let me ask your opinions. Do you believe a guy who made many social media posts about mutilization and dismembering, and who lives in the area, and has at least a couple arrests on trespassing on women's properties, or violence against women, should be someone police should look into? Or for example, a guy who posted a video of the sound of a heartbeat slowly stopping, going into silence which means death, and not declaring where he got this sound? A guy who held up dead animals for pictures in a mocking way? A guy who posts lyrics constantly about dismembering women? Is this the type of profile we should be looking for?

 

[Quell]

@concernedcitizen706

Seems you have a very specific person in mind. Have you reported that person to police?

 

[concernedcitizen706]

@concernedcitizen706

Seems you have a very specific person in mind. Have you reported that person to police?

Oh yes. Many many times. You have no idea. And I also reported him to the Atlanta police too and gave them all my information.

 

[PrairieWind]

It seems Joseph Scott Morgan (former senior investigator with the Fulton County ME Office) (in his Body Bags Podcast) says the killer took his time. DA Fani Willis said the same in a press conference early on.

I have listened to Morgan lots of times on his podcast and as he sometimes appears on others. I respect him tremendously. But what does he mean by "took their time?" A killer with a knife could have killed KJ in 10 seconds. So keeping that in mind, pulling her under a tree and assaulting here for 5 minutes would be "taking their time." It might have been longer, but it wouldn't have needed to be. I think those injuries, as horrific as they are, COULD have been done in 5 minutes.