Found Deceased GA - Quinton Simon, 1, missing from home, discovered gone by mom, Savannah, 5 Oct 2022

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NuttMegg said:
wow, read the fine print, the penalties. Loss of assets, professional licenses including DL, A 22 year old woman who has chosen to put herself into that position....2 kids to pay child support on, eviction and facing housing bills, another kid with BF, even with the least expensive baby sitter on earth, she must feel very trapped. And if the BF walks, who would be paying all that if she doesn't work. (Not that I think someone with 3 kids under 3 years can easily work). But what else are her relatives supposed to do? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near all those decisions.
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IMO, unfortunately there are plenty of young woman who find themselves in the same position as she is in. Through NO fault of their own. They bust their azzes and they make it. They get up out of bed every morning, take their babies to Early Head Start, Head Start or other government funded preschools go to school, go to work and they just break the cycle. I’ve see it over and over again. Then there are the others. The ones who sit bewildered waiting for something or someone too better them to save them. I don’t know which one L is, perhaps she doesn’t either. It’s time too find out.
 
Ravenmoon said:
The Grandma certainly understands that her daughter has issues. She took custody of the kids because their Bio-mom was not doing her job. As far as what she thought would happen?
My guess:

The neighbor would be there to care for the children as always and she would come home to a house with all of her grandkids, alive and healthy like she left them


JMO
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Absolutely. The grandmother certainly knew her daughter had issues, but who would ever think something like this would happen?

Now, I’m sure the grandmother is struggling to make sense of everything, even though she probably fears what we all do. It seems to me the grandmother truly lived this little guy. JMO.
 
Stunned said:
IMO, unfortunately there are plenty of young woman who find themselves in the same position as she is in. Through NO fault of their own. They bust their azzes and they make it. They get up out of bed every morning, take their babies to Early Head Start, Head Start or other government funded preschools go to school, go to work and they just break the cycle. I’ve see it over and over again. Then there are the others. The ones who sit bewildered waiting for something or someone too better them to save them. I don’t know which one L is, perhaps she doesn’t either. It’s time too find out.
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I think it is very clear which one L is. I am not puzzled at all. Her chances ran out with the 1st one she abandoned to her mother's care unless there was clear evidence of her trying to be a responsible parent. If so, I would love to see it and be proven wrong.
 
wnk said:
Updating TIMELINE with new info in RED; corrected info in GRAY

~2019
Q's older brother, Z, born - current age "around 3" (18@1:35)

~Feb 2021
Q born - current age 20 months (14)

~Jul 2021 ("since Q was five months old")
GrandmaBJH awarded custody of Q and Q's older brother (14)

~Apr 2022 ("about six months ago")
SitterDM began watching Q & Z (9 @ 0:28)

~summer 2022 ("within the past couple of months")
MomLS moved in with her mother GrandmaBJH (14)
MomLS gave birth to Q's younger sister (14)

Wed Sep 7
MomLS called police during argument with GrandmaBJH, during which MomLS stated she was on probation and didn't want trouble and MomLS's brother stated that MomLS had history of stealing to buy drugs (22)

Thu Sep 8
GrandmaBJH filed eviction notice for MomLS and MomsBoyfriendDY, stating that they damaged her property (22)

Fri Sep 16
Sheriff's office mailed MomLS and MomsBoyfriendDY eviction notice from GrandmaBJH (14)

sometime in Sep 2022
GrandmaBJH left for 3-week work assignment in IL, hoping to get back before evicted daughter MomLS and MomsBoyfriendDY move out (14)

around Mon Sep 26 - Sat Oct 1
MomLS and MomsBoyfriendDY presumably received eviction notice from GrandmaBJH (14)

Tue Oct 4
SitterDM watched Q & Z, who then went home that night (9@0:30)


WEDN OCT 5: LAST REPORTED SIGHTING / DAY ONE OF SEARCH
search incl. residence & neighborhood - drone, K9, dive team, helicopter
  • 5:29AM - SitterDM received text [from MomLS (22)] that she would not be babysitting Q & Z that morning (9@0:44)
  • 6:00AM - LAST REPORTED SIGHTING (1) by MomsBoyfriendDY (14) when he left for work that morning (22) and by MomLS, who told police she saw him in his playpen (25@0:45); According to StepGrandpaTH (who owns the house but was out of town; GrandmaBJH was still driving in from out of state), people at home at the time: MomLS, MomsBoyfriendDY, 3 kids, MomsBrother (7)
  • 9:00AM - SitterDM received text [from a grandparent (22)] asking if she'd seen them, but when she went to residence to help search, she was turned away (9@1:03)
  • [TIME?] - GrandmaBJH learned about Q's disappearance from phone call from SitterDM (14)
  • 9:30AM (14) 9:39AM (17@2:55) - Reported missing to authorities by MomLS (1) who said he'd been in his playpen (5)
  • 9:42AM - LE dispatched to residence (1), searched home (4)
  • 12:34PM - CCPD state they are searching area on foot with a drone and K9 unit (1)
  • 2:04PM - CCPD state they are shutting down Chatham Parkway, Louis B Mills, and Buckhalter Rd to continue search (1)
  • 2:48PM - CCPD state that Buckhalter Rd was reopened (1)
  • around 3PM - StepGrandpaTH arrived home from out of town (16@0:02)
  • 3:33PM - ChiefJH met with media - nothing to indicate abduction; "does not appear to be a custody dispute, and all parties are cooperating"; have responded to two calls for service at the home in the last two years (neither for missing child) (2)
  • 5:58PM - @BrettWSAV states FBI assisting (6)
  • 6:52PM - CCPD state ground search continues; plan to search with helicopter and heat-seeking tech (2)
  • [TIME?] - Dive team also on scene (7) - possibly to search pool, which is included in later list of locations searched within first five days (25@0:55)
  • 10:08PM - CCPD state 75 LE officers and volunteers combed area (2)
  • [TIME?] - LE secured search warrant for residence (10@1:15)
  • PM - FBI Evidence Response Team & CCPD search home with flashlights & cameras (8)
  • PM - LE cruiser remained on scene at residence overnight (14)
  • [TIME?] - LE contacted BioDad and "did not believe he was involved" (4) due to the fact he "works very much, very north of here" (10 @ 0:34), despite MomLS telling StepGrandpaTH that BioDad came and picked him up (7)
  • [TIME?] - neighbors state they'd seen Q out wandering the home and street in the past (7)

Thur Oct 6: DAY TWO
search incl. neighborhood, trash cans, sheds on grandparents' other property, "other locations" - ATVs
  • 2:00AM - Search ended for night (17@1:35)
  • 3:30AM - GrandmaBJH arrived home (16@0:03) but with crime scene tape up had to stay in motel (14)
  • 5:53AM - CCPD states no overnight developments (3)
  • 8:00AM - Searching resumed (17@1:35)
  • 10:11AM - FBI on scene with ATVs (11), searching trash cans in neighborhood including SitterDM's (12) and locked sheds on StepGrandpaTH's other property (15)
  • around 11:00 AM - FBI returned to residence after sweep of neighborhood (18@0:54)
  • 11:11AM - LE is "obtaining other search warrants at other locations today" (13)
  • AM - GrandmaBJH, who was working out of town in IL, states in phone interview with media "I couldn’t imagine that she would hurt one of her kids but I can’t say the thought hasn’t gone through my mind a hundred thousand times" (14), states on camera, "I don't know what to believe right now... I don't know if I can trust her" (16 @ 1:09)
  • AM - ChiefJH states at presser that they are conducting interviews and "downloading phones and things of that nature" today (17 @ 0:35)
  • AM - Neighbors claim MomLS and MomsBoyfriendDY returned to residence that morning after questioning (19)
  • 6:00PM - arguing is heard throughout the day, including at 6PM as recorded in VIDEO @ timestamp 1:30 (19)
  • PM - BioDad on his way from out of town to help search (18@1:50)

Fri Oct 7: DAY THREE
search incl. phone data, ponds with waders and poles
  • 10:00AM - ChiefJH gives update as part of Chatham County Commission Meeting - exhausted grid search; still investigating collected phone data and other avenues; still being assisted by FBI (20)
  • 2:00PM - search continues; pond searched with waders & poles (21)
Sat Oct 8: DAY FOUR
  • 8:09AM - CCPD update on SM - still searching along with FBI, no need of volunteers (23)
Sun Oct 9: DAY FIVE
  • 9:34AM - CCPD update on SM - "re-canvassing some specific areas" along with FBI (24)
  • 2:03PM - CCPD update on SM with poster & tip line (26)
Mon Oct 10: DAY SIX
  • 8:58AM - CCPD update on SM - "no overnight developments," will have presser at 2PM (27)

SOURCES
(1) ChathamCountyPD FB post (Oct 5)
(2) ChathamCountyPD FB post (Oct 5)
(3) ChathamCountyPD FB post (Oct 5)
(4) Police searching for missing toddler in Georgia neighborhood (APNews - Oct 5)
(5) Search for toddler missing from coastal Georgia neighborhood continues (Fox5 - Oct 5)
(6) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 5)
(7) Chatham County police, neighbors search for missing 20-month-old child (WSAV - Oct 5)
(8) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 5)
(9) WSAV3 video (Oct 5)
(10) WSAV FB video (Oct 5)
(11) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 6)
(12) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 6)
(13) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 6)
(14) Search continues for Chatham Co. toddler last seen Wednesday morning (WTOC - Oct 6)
(15) @BrettWSAV tweet (Oct 6)
(16) Grandparents comment on missing Chatham County toddler VIDEO (WJCL - Oct 6)
(17) Chatham County Police Chief gives update on missing toddler search VIDEO (WJCL - Oct 6)
(18) @SarahWinkelmann tweet including VIDEO (WTOC - Oct 6)
(19) Toddler Missing More Than 40 Hours, Neighbors Hear Arguments... (WSAV - Oct 6)
(20) Chatham County Police enters 3rd day in search for missing toddler, Quinton Simon (Fox28 - Oct 7)
(21) Grandparents plead for answers as search for missing Chatham County toddler enters third day (WJCL - Oct 7)
(22) Timeline: What has happened since 20-month-old Quinton Simon went missing (WSAV - Oct 7)
(23) ChathamCounty PD FB post (Oct 8)
(24) ChathamCounty PD FB post (Oct 9)
(25) Search for Missing Toddler Quinton Simon enters fifth day, VIDEO (WJCL - Oct 9)
(26) ChathamCounty PD FB post (Oct 9)
(27) ChathamCounty PD FB psot (Oct 10)
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GraceG said:
This may have already been discussed but these things were red flags for me (1) Quinton lives with Mom and boyfriend and the grandparents but his grandparents have legal custody and (2) the caregiver watches him early in the morning even if the mother is not working. Childcare is not cheap - I don't understand why he would need a babysitter if his Mom was home and not working (unless she works nights and might be sleeping that early in the morning). Praying for this little guy. Georgia, FBI searching for missing toddler whose babysitter reports 'odd' text before disappearance
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The way I'm reading this situation (so JMO) the grandmother doesn't trust her daughter to take proper care of the kids when she's not there to supervise. It makes sense that the best way to protect the children and make sure they are being properly supervised is to leave them in the care of a responsible caregiver while she's at work. Apparently that isn't L and D.

The fact that the grandmother filed eviction notices on her daughter and her daughter's boyfriend tells me things weren't working out very well and probably weren't conducive to a healthy home life for the kids. IMO there was not much more she could do in light of the fact that Quinton went missing while she was out of town.

Sometimes even the best possible plan can't stop the reckless behavior of others. MOO.
 
How many people have experienced having to evict a family member? From the home you live in or a rental property?
If you’re evicting - then the situation isn’t good and hasn’t been good in a long time.
And it was filed knowing it would be served while out of town.
Definitely not going to be a positive outcome in my experience.
JMO
 
DocBrew said:
That 5:30-ish text to the babysitter is what pinpoints the case for me. The rest could be reasonably explained away as an accident or even - God forbid - a home invasion and kidnapping. But that text...

JMO.
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the Bf’s text at 5:29 in the morning certainly is a red flag and then for the bf to text back around 9 a.m. asking the babysitter if she had seen Q, is even more conspicuous. Did he even leave to go to work that morning?
 
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MassGuy said:
They've called in what has been described as an "army of law enforcement," to include the FBI. We've heard about drones, horses, dogs, helicopters

I mean, I don't know what more you do. And I don't for a second believe they're searching for a child who is simply "missing."
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I have high hopes that they will find him, though I suspect it will be in sad circumstances. They’ve got 40 FBI agents and it looks like they may have started up the luminol today … I wish they’d get 2,000 in basic training from Parris Island and Ft. Beaufort for three days, on buses daily, and walk the woods and the waterways around this house in lockstep. Literally elbow to elbow. Also think this house needs to go down to the studs inside, garage completely emptied, crawl spaces crawled. I don’t think this little guy is far from the house. I pray they find him.
 
caradana said:
I have high hopes that they will find him, though I suspect it will be in sad circumstances. They’ve got 40 FBI agents and it looks like they may have started up the luminol today … I wish they’d get 2,000 in basic training from Parris Island and Ft. Beaufort for three days, on buses daily, and walk the woods and the waterways around this house in lockstep. Literally elbow to elbow. Also think this house needs to go down to the studs inside, garage completely emptied, crawl spaces crawled. I don’t think this little guy is far from the house. I pray they find him.
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I think they're probably reluctant to do that because of the criminal investigation aspect (they don't want people inadvertently destroying evidence).

Hopefully phone or vehicle data gives this person away.
 
"Law-enforcement officers trying to find missing Georgia toddler Quinton Simon again searched the home where he was last seen as the police chief revealed the case now includes a “criminal investigation.”

Forty FBI personnel have joined the hunt for the 20-month-old, including members of the child-abduction and rapid-deployment unit, officials said at a Monday press conference."
www.thedailybeast.com

Case of Missing Toddler Quinton Simon Includes ‘Criminal’ Investigation

Forty FBI personnel have joined the hunt for Quinton Simon.
www.thedailybeast.com
 
We are getting to the point where vultures and bird activity would theoretically be noticeable outdoors. At this point I am looking for any chemicals in the garage, cement, lime, anything fertilization. I’m looking for storage containers with lids, emptying nonworking cars if there are any on the property. I’m looking for missing suitcases - I want the grandfather or grandmother to account for all the large bags. I’m swabbing car trunks and the undersides of any lawn mowers, and I have appealed to every waste management company owner in Savannah who has a dumpster job <modsnip> to have his guys pull dumpsters bag-by-bag this week instead of the machine lift, even though it’s a tremendous ask of them. This last part would be pretty controversial. I’d ask Elon Musk if Starlink can possibly help. Overhead shots at tremendous resolution. Even as I type this, Starlink-1933 just passed over Savannah. I believe they are capable of shots that would show foot trampling in the woods. Privacy implications for us all, for sure, but there comes a moment where that’s secondary … one more, I’m asking the nerds for help. I’m putting out the call on Droneblog, if you’re within 100 miles of Savannah, GA and can get here with your equipment, come to Savannah PD and we’ve got a conference room with food and we‘re going to deploy you grid-style. There are guys like Tim @ Texas Equu who run drone grid searches. Get one of them to come. Let’s get overhead shots of everything.

My “if I were” $0.02.
 
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What if the boyfriend is just doing as he is told?
Leilani mumbles that she will be home all day and will keep all the kids (HA!). So he texts the sitter, under L's direction. He goes to work, she rolls over and sleeps.
She calls him around 9, because things ain't right. She says she will look for Q, He needs to call the sitter.
He doesn't necessarily have to be in on it.

Not that I really believe in this theory. You never know.
 
charminglane said:
What if the boyfriend is just doing as he is told?
Leilani mumbles that she will be home all day and will keep all the kids (HA!). So he texts the sitter, under L's direction. He goes to work, she rolls over and sleeps.
She calls him around 9, because things ain't right. She says she will look for Q, He needs to call the sitter.
He doesn't necessarily have to be in on it.

Not that I really believe in this theory. You never know.
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Valid enough, as theories go
What if an event of note occurred the night before?
What if an event of note occurred days before?
Curious: what is the last confirmed sighting of this little boy? Confirmed as in: by a member of the community who does not live in this home?
 
My mind is going maybe he did see him at 6am, but was he 'asleep' in the playpen? Was he awake? I know people don't want to go there but Grandma should NEVER have left after the child support order AND serving eviction. She had to know L would be angry. Move those kids over to babysitter for the whole time. I know hindsight is 20/20 but i've evicted people from houses i manage... they do NOT take it well. I think she knows what happened and is now in protect the daughter mode, just like Cindy Anthony. She doesn't want to lose everyone.
 
MassGuy said:
I think they're probably reluctant to do that because of the criminal investigation aspect (they don't want people inadvertently destroying evidence).

Hopefully phone or vehicle data gives this person away.
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If they find him in the woods, an East Georgia jury will vote to convict, relatively regardless of defendant. Vermont, this is not. I worry less about evidentiary preservation and more about proving an outcome. Curious about your take on it, @MassGuy - very much admire your thinking and your posts.
 
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