GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 1

[eddie willers]

Exactly why did you say no way to drifters, gangs and meth heads TIA

Think of the subdivision as your finger sticking out into the lake. All the land past your knuckle is owned and operated by the developers and there is only one small road into it with a 24/7 manned guardhouse at the entrance. After that point, the "road" becomes a smallish lane that branches into other small lanes that meander around and up and down hills.

The entrance to the subdivision is also miles and miles from the closest main road (Ga. 44) where there are shops, restaurants and places where you might be able to get away with loitering.

Even if there was the slightest chance (which there isn't) you could come on foot past the entrance, why not stop at the first empty looking house? The Dermonds are a loooong ways into the subdivision and their 1.2 million house is probably just middle of the pack there.


There is simply no way you would be at Great Waters unless you lived there or had business there. No one could simply 'wander' onto the property in any way, shape or form.

And (how do I put this delicately?) if you are a minority, you better be towing landscaping equipment behind your truck (or be Herschel Walker :smile.

My opinion then:

It is unfathomable to think that someone chanced upon them. Given that, they were targeted. No reason at all to go there unless they are targeted.

And since you can get on the lake at a gazillion places and then glide right up to their back door, Occam's razor tells you that's how they came.

My thoughts as to motive lies either back in N.J. (but it seems too long ago for me) or is vengeance and/or "sending a message" to a surviving family member.

 

[Treelights]

I don't totally disagree with the drug-addict angle, though I think it's important for us all to remember that addiction can happen to anyone. I would suggest that many of the people that commit violent crimes while on drugs already have some pretty major underlying psychopathology to begin with. Many addicts are self-loathers and people with low self-esteem or poor coping skills who don't intend to hurt other people (even though they do through their addiction).

That being said, I definitely agree this could be something along those lines. My question, though, is: why not take any money or valuables? Under the influence, would they really have the capacity to so thoroughly cover their tracks?

Perhaps the person was under the influence of Bath Salts?
Bath salts can cause psychotic episodes.
In this link below there was a man who was high on bath salts who sexually assaulted students and terrorized others, and he was going to rape another lady but she pleaded with him and said she would pray for him, and he left without harming her, then he went on to terrorize more people.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ge-20131207_1_bath-salts-methylone-heart-rate

I think it could be possible for this person who murdered Russell, to be on bath salts, then cover up what he/she did.
There have been other incidents of bizarre behavior of people on bath salts, like the face eating incidents and another where a man ate a dog.
There are also drugs like Spice, too.
IMOO.

 

[Kimster]

Are you guys sleuthing someone that isn't a named Person of Interest?

 

[Treelights]

Is this their house listing?
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Earlier in the thread, it was mentioned that it was shoddy reporting in the article, so to answer your question, No, this is not their house.
147 Carolyn Drive is their home.

 

[Treelights]

This is a link to their home:
http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/ga_display.php?county=ga_putnam&KEY=120A008
http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/cgi-bin/ga_putnam_sketch.cgi?parcel=R&building=8560

147 Carolyn Drive.

 

[Kimster]

Allow me to help you guys out in here.

I see you found a court record regarding the couple. While it's okay to link it while sleuthing, it's not okay to accuse the people involved in the suit of a crime. It's just something that we can put in our back pocket as a clue while we sleuth on. Unless you find a MSM article that ties something more into this case, it needs to stop there.


Hope that helps!

 

[luckygirl]

Perhaps the person was under the influence of Bath Salts?
Bath salts can cause psychotic episodes.
In this link below there was a man who was high on bath salts who sexually assaulted students and terrorized others, and he was going to rape another lady but she pleaded with him and said she would pray for him, and he left without harming her, then he went on to terrorize more people.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ge-20131207_1_bath-salts-methylone-heart-rate

I think it could be possible for this person who murdered Russell, to be on bath salts, then cover up what he/she did.
There have been other incidents of bizarre behavior of people on bath salts, like the face eating incidents and another where a man ate a dog.
There are also drugs like Spice, too.
IMOO.

Yes, Bath salts are bad. Very bad.

 

[Treelights]

With vacation rentals on Lake Oconee, I think it could be plausible for a person/people to rent a cabin/cottage, house, and partake in drugs like bath salts, and commit bizarre crimes. It is plausible to me that this could be a possibility....
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rentals/georgia/lake-oconee/r5654
Just throwing out thoughts....
IMOO.

 

[Foxfire]

I thought about covering their tracks.
I don't see how. If on meth they are often down right paranoid.
Moo


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gngr~snap, if the Dermond's heinous crime was committed by a slight acquaintance or stranger, the probability of a direct or indirect meth connection is very high, imo. Not only does long term abuse of meth create psychopathic personalities, imo, but also causes them to be very brazen and increases their labido..

I have been researching slight acquaintance/stranger sexual predator abductions for 6+ years. Since the days of the speed freak killers-CA - 1980s) meth has been a common denominator in a very high majority of these heinous crimes, imo.

Arrests were recently made after 3 years in the Holly Bobo abduction TN-04/13/2011. Zachary Adams, and the other two suspects arrested for her abduction/murder, were all meth abusers/addicts.. The career criminal suspects carried out a very well planned and executed abduction, and were only caught due to someone running their mouth for immunity...

Blame the Brain Psychopaths are wired differently.. Methamphetamine...
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/

Imo, the Sheriff didn't contact the FBI BAU2 in Quantico, VA, on several occasions for small talk....

 

[Backwoods]

Forgive me if this is a duplicate linking -- and it could be, as I have only had time so far to quickly read through the postings made since I was last logged in in the early A.M. Anyhow, I did not remember having seen pictures/footage actually from the vigil:

Candlelight vigil held for slain Lake Oconee man, missing wife

...At one point during the vigil, Sheriff Sills took to the podium acknowledging his investigators have few leads.

"This is the most difficult case I've ever handled," said Sills.

He asked for the public's help in quelling rumors and to keep the focus on what he believes is the first priority--finding Shirley Dermond....

more at: http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...e-oconee-putnam-county-dermond-vigil/8957601/

 

[gngr~snap]

gngr~snap, if the Dermond's heinous crime was committed by a slight acquaintance or stranger, the probability of a direct or indirect meth connection is very high, imo. Not only does long term abuse of meth create psychopathic personalities, imo, but also causes them to be very brazen and increases their labido..

I have been researching slight acquaintance/stranger sexual predator abductions for 6+ years. Since the days of the speed freak killers-CA - 1980s) meth has been a common denominator in a very high majority of these heinous crimes, imo.

Arrests were recently made after 3 years in the Holly Bobo abduction TN-04/13/2011. Zachary Adams, and the other two suspects arrested for her abduction/murder, were all meth abusers/addicts..

Blame the Brain Psychopaths are wired differently.. Methamphetamine...
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/blame-the-brain-psychopaths-are-wired-differently/

Imo, the Sheriff didn't contact the FBI BAU2 in Quantico, VA, on several occasions for small talk....

I agree about the drug angle. I just can't fathom how they slipped in and out leaving no clues. They do get very obsessive/compulsive and stay up for days as well, so given the time they had, I see that it is possible that a clean up was done.

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[Plumeria5]

I have a strong feeling this was very personal.

 

[Foxfire]

Due to the lack of information, there could be many possible motives for SD's abduction. Hopefully she will be found safely. After a week has passed since her tragic abduction & Mr. D's murder/decapitation. It is doubtful if the motive was financial or ransom related, imo.
I regret even having to post that one of the motives may be sexual..


Interesting info from the US Department Of Justice on elderly victims of sexual abuse and their offenders.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/216550.pdf

 

[gngr~snap]

Dermond children have returned to their homes.


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...e-oconee-putnam-county-dermond-vigil/8957601/

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[Plumeria5]

Dermond children have returned to their homes.


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...e-oconee-putnam-county-dermond-vigil/8957601/

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So sad. How empty they must feel today.

 

[gngr~snap]

So sad. How empty they must feel today.

I know. = (
They are in eternal limbo for now.
Poor kids can't even bury their dad due to this sicko.

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[Plumeria5]

I just wanted to say, "Happy Mother's Day"! To those like me whose mother has passed, who have fur babies for kids, who may not be close to their children, and who may just need a :grouphug:

Websleuths is always here for you!!
:loveyou::loveyou::loveyou:

 

[Treelights]

I just wanted to say, "Happy Mother's Day"! To those like me who's mother has passed, who have fur babies for kids, who may not be close to their children, and who may just need a :grouphug:

Websleuths is always there for you!!
:loveyou::loveyou::loveyou:

Happy Mother's Day Plumeria5, and to everyone else as well!

 

[QueenD]

I am not for sure but I think when this happened to the time he was found is when all those bad storms had come through. Although I do not think this area got any of the tornados but did get lots of rain. That too could have washed away any evidence.

Any locals can confirm if this was the week-end of the storms/rains?

 

[Destini]

Think of the subdivision as your finger sticking out into the lake. All the land past your knuckle is owned and operated by the developers and there is only one small road into it with a 24/7 manned guardhouse at the entrance. After that point, the "road" becomes a smallish lane that branches into other small lanes that meander around and up and down hills.

The entrance to the subdivision is also miles and miles from the closest main road (Ga. 44) where there are shops, restaurants and places where you might be able to get away with loitering.

Even if there was the slightest chance (which there isn't) you could come on foot past the entrance, why not stop at the first empty looking house? The Dermonds are a loooong ways into the subdivision and their 1.2 million house is probably just middle of the pack there.


There is simply no way you would be at Great Waters unless you lived there or had business there. No one could simply 'wander' onto the property in any way, shape or form.

And (how do I put this delicately?) if you are a minority, you better be towing landscaping equipment behind your truck (or be Herschel Walker :smile.

My opinion then:

It is unfathomable to think that someone chanced upon them. Given that, they were targeted. No reason at all to go there unless they are targeted.

And since you can get on the lake at a gazillion places and then glide right up to their back door, Occam's razor tells you that's how they came.

My thoughts as to motive lies either back in N.J. (but it seems too long ago for me) or is vengeance and/or "sending a message" to a surviving family member.

Excellent mental visual from your description. Thank you!