GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 4

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Behavioral Profiling..
Interview with former FBI ProfilerPete Klismet
http://profilesofmurder.com/2013/08/18/interview-with-former-fbi-profiler-pete-klismet/

I think some may want to read this if you haven't already.


IMO I bet this profile will fit to a T.

Organized offenders tend to be high in the birth order of their family. They are very intelligent but often were underachievers in both school and life. Most of them have a live-in partner, are socially adept, and will follow the coverage of their crimes in the media very carefully. Contrary to popular belief, a killer of this nature, even a serial killer, is not “crazy.” Quite the opposite is true. They also “hide in plain sight,” and when identified are a complete surprise to people who know them and thought they were “perfectly normal.”
 
O/T
Lake Allatoona had our first drowning last night.
The boy graduated yesterday morning. He was 3 yrs behind my son. My son was invited to the houseboat party and decided not to go.
What a horrific way to die.
Kids! WHAT were they thinking???

Ok back to your regular lake side community programming

All posts are my opinion only. Sent via Tapatalk
 
snipped for focus and BBM:
.... So the house next door to the D's is for sale and has been for a few months. Could it be at all possible that that neighbor has enemies somewhere who,...wanted to 'stick it to them' (the D's neighbors) by committing a horrid, senseless, heinous, gruesome crime right next door......thereby further reducing the odds that someone would buy their home?.....after all, word of what's happened has spread like wildfire.......most especially due to these murders happening in such a prominent, high class gated community..........WHO is going to want to buy a home that sits next door to "that house where the nice old couple were murdered"?

Also...........could there be someone (or a group of someones) who wanted property values of GW to drop for their own financial gain?........a property developer somewhere around there?

Layzee--
Possible an enemy of the D's neighbor could think that way, but....
(just speculating about other approaches the enemy might take...

paragraph 1 BBM
If an enemy of D's neighbor(s) wanted to hurt D's neighbor(s) whose house was listed for sale, why not either personally act or contract a
--- to spray graffiti on exterior walls, whack at bushes, trees, landscaping, pour chemical on grass to kill it, and/or
---to shoot out windows, yank screens, and/or
---to vandalize interior of house for sale, ransack furnishings, paint threats on walls, sledge hammer walls, leave faucet open to flood & ruin flooring, and/or
--- to plant bomb or burn down house.
i.e., damage the house for sale directly, which would require time, effort, and $ to return to sale-ready condition-- even if HO insurance would cover much of the expense.

paragraph 2 BBM
If someone, e.g., a competitor-developer, wanted to reduce GW home values, would these two horrific deaths achieve that goal?
Yes, imo, short term.
No, imo, long term.

JM2cts and I could be wrong. :seeya:
 
I've thought this too, right from the start.

Just like I believe the murders took place, intentionally, while the Kentucky Derby Party was going on..........so as to decrease the odds that other residents/neighbors might "see something/someone."

What I'd like to know is...........how "did" the security go down? What does that mean exactly? Surely when it 'went down', some kind of security/service company would have been contacted ASAP to get it back up? .....was that call made? Were repairs attempted? If so why not successful? Has LE looked into employees of the security company and anyone responsible for providing service?

Has security gone down in the past, ever?.........or is this the first time?

Is the security at the gate all digital? Did someone hack into something to disable the security?

Also.........we know the Dermond's were victims of credit card fraud in the past. Who were the perps? Did they serve jail time? Could they not have a reason to get revenge against the D's? Did they know the D's or did they just randomly target the D's?

How could the D's son have previously stated they didn't have housekeeping help when recently posted links indicate MrsD had mobility issues....and Sills stated their home was pristine? I don't believe the perps ever entered the house.....so I don't believe the pristine state of the inside of the house was due to perps doing a big crime-scene clean up--------but why would son believe his nearly 90 yr old parents cleaned and maintained their home all by themselves, a huge home? Weird, IMO.
Totally agree about the murders possibly taking place during the KD party.
Great thinking LD! Perfect time for a crime to take place.

Not sure about the CC fraud criminals knowing the Ds....were any other neighbors targeted? Criminals seem to target the elderly rich so who knows.

Sills comment about the house being pristine.....Like many here I still think that was a hint...to the murderers.
 
I will ask again - if perps used boat in lake, what difference does it make if the security was down at the gate? How would this help? A car would need the pass on the window or have been preapproved to get through.

This is not clicking for me. Any explanations would be appreciated.
 
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Agree, but ...
persons of lesser means may borrow a boat, without or without owner's permission.

Some homeowners in GW and close by developments use the homes only on weekends.
Would any waterfront home owners leave their boats tied at their private docks subject to being 'borrowed', without their knowledge?
Or do some pull their boats from the water, when they are away?
Or do some properties have boat houses?

Although we've speculated about GW ppl - permanent, fulltime, wk-enders, etc - using their own boats.
If a GW person is involved, could he/they have used someone else's boat, rather than their own?

Just speculating. :seeya:

I think some may want to read this if you haven't already.


IMO I bet this profile will fit to a T.

Organized offenders tend to be high in the birth order of their family. They are very intelligent but often were underachievers in both school and life. Most of them have a live-in partner, are socially adept, and will follow the coverage of their crimes in the media very carefully. Contrary to popular belief, a killer of this nature, even a serial killer, is not “crazy.” Quite the opposite is true. They also “hide in plain sight,” and when identified are a complete surprise to people who know them and thought they were “perfectly normal.”

Al66pine, good post.. The community where I live has a large lake with a marina, which has limited boat slips. At GW, only lakefront homes such as the D's have docks to moor their boats.. Many of the GW homes are vacation and 2nd homes & the owners live in other cities; Atlanta, Augusta, etc.

Many times other residents w/o docks/boats will have agreements with the GW dock/boat owners to maintain their boats for the occasional use of their boats. Also other boat owners may house their boats in their garage. They would have access to the boat padlocks, garages, and ignition keys. If the dock/boat owners were away, or attending the Derby Party, etc., they(or their family members) could have taken the boat under the cloak of darkness, and possibly utilized their garage without the owners knowledge. Just a thought..
 
O/T
Lake Allatoona had our first drowning last night.
The boy graduated yesterday morning. He was 3 yrs behind my son. My son was invited to the houseboat party and decided not to go.
What a horrific way to die.
Kids! WHAT were they thinking???

Ok back to your regular lake side community programming

All posts are my opinion only. Sent via Tapatalk

How very sad!
 
Well so far we have not heard that anything was taken . No money missing from safe or wallets. No furnishings etc etc. Just Mr. Dermonds head.

This was not done for real estate values. this was not a robbery gone bad.
This was an attack on these 2 ppl for some personal reason.
Who would gain from their death? What would they gain?
Has their will changed?
Did they withdraw a lot of money from the bank recently?
So many questions.
This is a couple in their 80's If it was a home invasion the house would be a mess.


Maybe the decapitation was to make it appear a crazy person did it.



All Just my thoughts and MOO
 
For a while now I have had the feeling/belief that somebody connected to this killer knows something.

Many times they might think their son or daughter might be connected but certainly don't want to turn them in for various reasons.

If these friends or relatives do know anything perhaps their conscience will get the best of them and they will call the Sheriff.

That will be the hardest call they ever made but who could live with a person you suspect murdered and beheaded this elderly couple.

No man is an island. Somebody knows something.

MOO
 
I will ask again - if perps used boat in lake, what difference does it make if the security was down at the gate? How would this help? A car would need the pass on the window or have been preapproved to get through.

This is not clicking for me. Any explanations would be appreciated.

* Deflection; if the abduction/murder was pre-planned. Which imo, it was. This would have been done to confuse/mislead investigators into thinking the perps came in to GW from the outside..
 
Although murder-for-life-insurance plots in movies typically end with the culprit being marched off to prison, real-life incidents are not often black and white. Life insurance beneficiaries can remain suspects in killings for years without collecting death benefits, and life insurance companies, left wondering who should get the payout, often wind up seeking answers in court

http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/murdered-for-life-insurance-money.html
 
O/T
Lake Allatoona had our first drowning last night.
The boy graduated yesterday morning. He was 3 yrs behind my son. My son was invited to the houseboat party and decided not to go.
What a horrific way to die.
Kids! WHAT were they thinking???

Ok back to your regular lake side community programming

All posts are my opinion only. Sent via Tapatalk


gngr~snap, glad your son decided not to go.. You're right, "what the he!! were they thinking? Tied him in a grocery cart and pushed him in the lake...Tragic..


http://www.wtoc.com/story/25608392/ga-teen-tied-to-shopping-cart-drowns-in-lake

Ga. teen tied to shopping cart drowns in lake - WTOC-TV ...
www.wtoc.com/.../ga-teen-tied-to-shopping-cart-drowns-in-lak...WTOC‑TV
18 hours ago - Georgia Department of Natural Resources officials say a teen has died after being tied to a shopping cart and pushed into Lake Allatoona.
 
OBE said:




I haven't read all of the posts, so I probably missed where this was confirmed by LE...I know there was a question as to whether her body had been "posed" on the top of one of the submerged trees, so I was just wondering if LE concluded that she had indeed been weighted down and somehow floated to the top?

Actually the word he used iirc was 'placed' where she was found.

I took that to mean in the area she was found because he also mentions how deep the water is in the area she was found. Why would he mention how deep the water is there if he didn't know she had been submerged below it? Imo, that can only mean she had been weighed down with something in order to remain in that same area for 11 days. If she had not been tethered or weighed down somehow she would have drifted along on the lake floor until she rose no telling where.

Imo she was submerged then the decomp gases made her surface and that is when her body got caught in the trees above the surface of the water.
 
gngr~snap, glad your son decided not to go.. You're right, "what the he!! were they thinking? Tied him in a grocery cart and pushed him in the lake...Tragic..


http://www.wtoc.com/story/25608392/ga-teen-tied-to-shopping-cart-drowns-in-lake

Ga. teen tied to shopping cart drowns in lake - WTOC-TV ...
www.wtoc.com/.../ga-teen-tied-to-shopping-cart-drowns-in-lak...WTOC‑TV
18 hours ago - Georgia Department of Natural Resources officials say a teen has died after being tied to a shopping cart and pushed into Lake Allatoona.

Wow there is a missing college student in Cinci. and on one of the videos they captured him in he and his friends have a kid in a shopping cart too pushing it down the street.

does Bam Margera have a TV on now that's the stuff he does!
 
One thing I feel certain about, this was not a random thing. It was planned and intentional. Do psychotic murderers plan?
I am ready for the holiday to be over so LE can back to this case full speed. I keep hoping they are close. But.....
 
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