GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

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Wait, I do remember in one of the articles or videos Sheriff Sills said the clothes Mrs. Dermond was wearing when found were regular every day clothes. I'm paraphrasing. If the Dermond's were killed when they were supposed to be at the Derby party, wouldn't Mrs. Dermond have had something dressy on as opposed to every day clothing? Sheriff Sills said the Dermond's knew their killer and were targeted. Yet I've come to feel the party is relevant in some way.There's a big piece of the puzzle missing!
 
Another day...the perps roam free... :tantrum:
 
I think that would be a huge stretch. JMO, but I believe that Mr. D was beheaded because his skull contained a bullet that could be linked to another crime. At the very least, it's a far more plausible theory.

That's what I'm thinking too - self-preservation - and who knows it might even be the .22 caliber that Search and Rescue dive team were looking for in Lake Oconee on June 19th - doubtful, but definitely a possibility.
 
Wait, I do remember in one of the articles or videos Sheriff Sills said the clothes Mrs. Dermond was wearing when found were regular every day clothes. I'm paraphrasing. If the Dermond's were killed when they were supposed to be at the Derby party, wouldn't Mrs. Dermond have had something dressy on as opposed to every day clothing? Sheriff Sills said the Dermond's knew their killer and were targeted. Yet I've come to feel the party is relevant in some way.There's a big piece of the puzzle missing!

I know Solitaryone - a big piece and I've been trying to force the Derby Party puzzle piece into the puzzle - you it's that piece that almost fits, but not quite, but enough for you to try to make it fit. Problem is then none of the other pieces fit and it's obvious the piece does not fit.
 
...I think Mr. D put up onehelluva fight, or Mrs. D. Mrs. D had to be elsewhere when Mr. D was attacked, or maybe Mrs. D was attacked first. If they had Mrs. D already Mr. D probably would not have put up a fight, but like someone here posted Mrs. D heard some noise outside and went to investigate. I think that is what happened. Mr. D was tough, WWII tough. He wasn't going down without a fight, and Shirley might have been the same way....

The problem with this scenario, as I see it, is that there was no evidence of any sort of struggle.

"Dermond's body did not have any gunshot wounds, stab wounds, or bruising. The coroner says there was no indication of a struggle." http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/09/putnam-murder-autopsy-report/8893493/

I still believe that the murders were planned. The crime scene was "too clean" for it to have been a burglary gone wrong, imo. I'm sticking with my theory that it was someone in the community known to the Dermonds who has poor social skills and is still dependent on his family. Obsessed with proving his brilliance and obsessed with the Lauren Giddings case. Maybe he chose the D's because he felt dissed or insulted by Mr. D. I can well imagine my father (85) saying something to the effect of "when are you going to get a real job"?

Other than the one day review meeting last week, I've gotten the impression that the FBI is no longer involved in this investigation. Of course other than the autopsies, we know the GBI has really never been involved. During one of his last interviews (sorry I don't remember where/when) I believe that SS said only he and one investigator work on this case full time. The others have returned to regular duties. This leads me to believe that this has been relegated to a local murder case and it is up to SS to solve it, of course with the help of the GBI should he choose to ask for their help. At this point in time, I'm not even sure they would be able to contribute much to the investigation. Sadly, every day that passes is one day closer to a cold case file. I'm afraid the solution will be dependent on a tip from someone out there who has suspicions.
 
I remember from the interview with Sheriff Sills, sorry I don't have the link, but it was the reporter who asked Sheriff Sills if the killer would have been experienced in dressing out deer, and Sheriff Sills said yes and other large animals. So now after reading your post, I'm wondering why the reporter in asking Sheriff Sills that question used "deer" as the example, lol.

DANG! I had almost finished writing my irrelevant post when I hit something and the whole thing went away! Anyway, I'm back with "background" info...
Deer is the most often hunted large game in Georgia. Many hunters take their deer to a processor to be cut up and wrapped for freezing. If they do, they should field dress it (gut it) immediately to avoid contamination. They may or may not cut the head off and how depends on if and how they want it mounted. The taxidermist needs the hide of the neck and shoulders for a shoulder mount.
Some of us process our own meat. It costs nothing and we can cut and grind how we want it.
There are three deer seasons in Georgia- Bow and Arrow, Primitive weapons (black powder muzzle loaders, etc.) and regular guns. Some hunters own and are proficient in all three types of weaponry. HMMMMMM.
Hogs are hunted, but that is not really a sport. They are a nuisance. You can bait them up and hunt them anytime. Good eattin' though and fills the freezer. Some people take them to the processor, we dress our own.

Cows are not usually processed at home. They are too big. You either get the processor to come get it alive or you take to the processor alive. Not many people raise out cows for meat for themselves anymore.

Interesting that someone mentioned goats. There are a good many small farmers who raise goats in Georgia. You can buy goats at the livestock sales. They are raised for the ethnic market- Hispanic, Caribbean, African, Middle Eastern people buy goat and many of them want them alive and they dress them themselves. HMMMMM.....
 
Solitaryone, I still wonder (becauase of Sills verbage) if even dress pants and blouse was considered everyday clothing, even a dress, unless it was pajamas or an evening gown, but you are correct it was reported that way, nothing was ever said about Mr D, but someone that lives in that area said they heard the rumor that he had on his PJ's, but that hasn't been reported by Sills or the Media

So becuase I'm not sure what Sills refers to as "everyday clothing", (i would speculate something casual myself) but does lend some confusion on my part, but if I go with casual, say shorts or capri's, then I still think it was Friday night into Saturday morning dark

BUT THEN, do we even regard the neighbors eyewitness account of someone on the lawn Saturday afternoon? Maybe they dropped something and came back? Naaah, or maybe there memory failed them since they couldn't even remember the hair color or clothes and it was actually friday??? IDK

Just speculating
 
Yeah, I know cattle farmers and we once raised goats, many a hispanic would come get them from us for their mexican restaraunt in Fort Valley (lol), they'd slaughter them themselves and one even killed them on site at my property, I didnt' know they were going to do that onsite, that never happened again, wasn't to my liking
 
Do we think that maybe in the last meeting that involved so many, that maybe that was discussed and was not relevent to call in GBI possibly, as maybe the evidence was so scanty,

I don't think it was ever reported that forensics came back with anything, maybe something unknown, that went into the database or didnt' match what's in the database
 
...I think Mr. D put up onehelluva fight, or Mrs. D. Mrs. D had to be elsewhere when Mr. D was attacked, or maybe Mrs. D was attacked first. If they had Mrs. D already Mr. D probably would not have put up a fight, but like someone here posted Mrs. D heard some noise outside and went to investigate. I think that is what happened. Mr. D was tough, WWII tough. He wasn't going down without a fight, and Shirley might have been the same way....

The problem with this scenario, as I see it, is that there was no evidence of any sort of struggle.

"Dermond's body did not have any gunshot wounds, stab wounds, or bruising. The coroner says there was no indication of a struggle." http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/09/putnam-murder-autopsy-report/8893493/

I still believe that the murders were planned. The crime scene was "too clean" for it to have been a burglary gone wrong, imo. I'm sticking with my theory that it was someone in the community known to the Dermonds who has poor social skills and is still dependent on his family. Obsessed with proving his brilliance and obsessed with the Lauren Giddings case. Maybe he chose the D's because he felt dissed or insulted by Mr. D. I can well imagine my father (85) saying something to the effect of "when are you going to get a real job"?

Other than the one day review meeting last week, I've gotten the impression that the FBI is no longer involved in this investigation. Of course other than the autopsies, we know the GBI has really never been involved. During one of his last interviews (sorry I don't remember where/when) I believe that SS said only he and one investigator work on this case full time. The others have returned to regular duties. This leads me to believe that this has been relegated to a local murder case and it is up to SS to solve it, of course with the help of the GBI should he choose to ask for their help. At this point in time, I'm not even sure they would be able to contribute much to the investigation. Sadly, every day that passes is one day closer to a cold case file. I'm afraid the solution will be dependent on a tip from someone out there who has suspicions.

Good post Bootsctr & food for thought...
Imo, there are many indicators that this crime was carried out by experienced stealth predators/assassins. Likely with martial arts, and or military, or paramilitary training, equipment, and techniques, imo. The Dermond murders just seems too well planned and meticulously executed, by disciplined perp/s carrying out a mission.. The D's were likely the victims of a ruse initially and the perps would have had the element of surprise. The D's would also have likely been caught off guard and brought under immediate compliance, by use of physical violence or threat with a deadly weapon by the perps..
The statement made to GBI investigators by Army trained serial killer Gary M. Hilton, who describes himself as an artist, "I am a hunter, a professional, a soldier on a perpetual mission", keeps coming to mind..

http://www.donrearic.com/thegarrotte.html

The "Cutter" - Short history of the Garrotte

Back before delicatessens had slicer machines, the cheese was usually cut by a wire. Yes, a "Cheese Cutter" was basically a wire with two handles. As far as I can tell, this is where the "Modern Cutter Garrotte" came from. The source is Melton’s "Clandestine Warfare."

The British SOE and American OSS used these devices, to what degree I do not know. Some wire garrottes with machined and knurled brass handles (for enhanced grip) were manufactured and issued. They are in the OSS Weapons Catalog, as well as other references...

Gigli bone saws were also used as "Survival Saws" as well as "Cutter" Garrottes during World War Two.

“I am a 'Hunter, a Professional, a Soldier' on a Perpetual Mission”..quote by SK Gary Hilton
http://www.scribd.com/doc/92047561/25-Seriously-Disturbing-Serial-Killers
 
Do we think that maybe in the last meeting that involved so many, that maybe that was discussed and was not relevent to call in GBI possibly, as maybe the evidence was so scanty,

I don't think it was ever reported that forensics came back with anything, maybe something unknown, that went into the database or didnt' match what's in the database

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Tomkat, although there are many reasons for requesting the GBI's assistance, imo, the primary reason is that the GBI's elite special agents are very experienced, professional, well trained, and have Confidential Informants that the FBI nor the Sheriff's Departments have access too. Headquartered in Decatur, GA, the GBI has offices all over the state, and are very knowledgeable of the identities of gang members, drug & gang activity, and other violent GA felons, etc.

Georgia.Bureau.of.Investigation Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Georgia.Bureau.of.Investigation
 
Hey FF,

I agree, just wondered if that came up and they thought it not necessary, I kind of feel it's pride or something, so now the FBI have been released from this case? Is there nothing not even the FBI could do? I guess because they are national whereas GBI is GA only, yep, I have to agree they do need them on board, what other reason could there be not to call them in for such a horrific crime with NO LEADS, seems the more help the better off they'd be,

Why would any LE "runoff" the GBI? As that was rumor I heard, not through tthe grapevine, but someone I knew, if so, that would speak volumes

wonder why GBI refused to help Sills in the NC case?
 
We still do not know WHO the SOMEONE is that committed this crime or if that someone was trying to hide evidence or what group they may have been affiliated with, if any, NC might like to hide evidence too
 
Good post Bootsctr & food for thought...
Imo, there are many indicators that this crime was carried out by experienced stealth predators/assassins. Likely with martial arts, military, or paramilitary training, equipment, and techniques, imo. The Dermond murders just seems too well planned and meticulously executed, by disciplined perp/s carrying out a mission.. The D's were likely the victims of a ruse initially and the perps would have had the element of surprise. The D's would have likely been caught off guard and brought under immediate compliance by the perps..
The statement made to GBI investigators by Army trained serial killer Gary M. Hilton, who describes himself as an artist, "I am a hunter, a professional, a soldier on a perpetual mission", keeps coming to mind..

http://www.donrearic.com/thegarrotte.html

The "Cutter" - Short history of the Garrotte

Back before delicatessens had slicer machines, the cheese was usually cut by a wire. Yes, a "Cheese Cutter" was basically a wire with two handles. As far as I can tell, this is where the "Modern Cutter Garrotte" came from. The source is Melton&#8217;s "Clandestine Warfare."

The British SOE and American OSS used these devices, to what degree I do not know. Some wire garrottes with machined and knurled brass handles (for enhanced grip) were manufactured and issued. They are in the OSS Weapons Catalog, as well as other references...

Gigli bone saws were also used as "Survival Saws" as well as "Cutter" Garrottes during World War Two.

&#8220;I am a 'Hunter, a Professional, a Soldier' on a Perpetual Mission&#8221;..quote by SK Gary Hilton
http://www.scribd.com/doc/92047561/25-Seriously-Disturbing-Serial-Killers

I bought one of those survival wire saws for a business trip to a certain country in the southern hemisphere where at the time Americans were being kidnapped. Figured I could ether saw my way out of a jungle cell or inflict some damage on any captors. Easy to conceal.
 
well it was in reply to someone so maybe if you read both it might help
 
hey FF,

Yes, I remember all that, but I thought it was in addition to GBI refusing to help

Thanks for the correction!
 
hey Boots

http://qpublic7.qpublic.net/ga_search.php?county=ga_putnam

norris ln is 3 minutes from RP across the bridge

can't say more than that but if anyone goes to qpublic link you can search names and addresses

After searching this link for the Dermond's property, 147 Carolyn Dr. I noticed the word, GIFT, as the most recent property transaction. I'm not familiar with this procedure. Can someone explain? :twocents:

Thank you!

IMHO
 
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