GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #10

[ahintexas]

They said his head was above the carseat by a couple of inches and demonstrated with a dummy! If there are three year olds fitting in infant car seats then their parents need to have them checked for growth restriction issues since the height limit on most rearfacing only infant seats is 30".

Correct. I had the same car seat for my youngest. Chicco Key Fit. I just pulled out the owners manual, and it clearly states Max weight = 30lbs Max height = 30 inches. Cooper was def too big for an infant seat.

 

[momrids6]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-searched-hot-car-dads-medical-records-electronics/story?id=24452801

There is a picture at this link of the vehicle from the rear, I zoomed in and if I am nor mistaken I can see the car seat. With that said I have wondered if a carseat sits at the same height in the same seat facing forward or rear facing. Some seats in the back of vehicles have a lower seat towards the rear then where your knees bend, hope that makes sense. I have sat in back seat where my lap is level then in some my knees are about under my chin. IDK I think it's wrong to force kidlets to have to be rearfacing while in a vehicle, it would probably make me puke.

I thought the same- but then I realized it is the head rest for the back middle seat...?

 

[blue22]

CH would have had to be up to date on his vaccinations. Doesn't the Health Department check day care records to make sure that the children are up to date on their vaccinations?

Not in my state, but every state has different vaccination laws. In some states, you can have a waiver for vaccinations, and the daycare accepts that. It really depends on the state and the daycare policies. Since they are a private daycare and not federally funded, they will have their own health policies

 

[kjpaw]

Just as an FYI I have a close family member that works at HD's corporate offices (not the building RH works at) and he is positive that the hours for all regular corporate employees are 8-5 (1 hour lunch). My insignificant opinion is that RH purposely came in late to avoid the mass of workers streaming in at 8ish to reduce the number of people who could have walked by the car and seen cooper. I think once the cops research what RH's normal arrival time was that if it turns out he usually arrives around 8 (which he should) this could be an important implicating factor. Particularly since RH told cops it was a very normal morning and said nothing about "I planned to go in late" or "we were rushing because I was running late".

 

[Endlesoul]

Look at the maps, had he been headed.to the theater, he would have turned RIGHT on hwy 41 and traveled south to the theater where he would turn left. There is a parking deck there.

Ross went STRAIGHT. across 41! To get to Uncle Maggios...

He wasn't headed to the movies ever.

I've been lurking and this is my first post on this case. But I wonder if he will say, I called to say I going to be late I was going to get some pizza before the movie. I believe he is guilty and I don't think he scheduled a hook-up.

 

[mom2six]

My cynical thoughts on the reason the infant seat was chosen...since they had recently bought the foward-facing seat, perhaps they could return it. Carseats can be $$$.

 

[chlban]

He parked further away because he is on a new diet/exercise regimen. NOT!

I park in the exact same spot every morning. I come in early so I get a prime spot-close to the entrance and away from trees-they mess up my car. If I go out for lunch or come in late, I may not get the exact spot but it is always still on the side of the building, same general area.

If I suddenly parked in the back, or even middle, of the lot, it would be totally noticable

On another note, Saturday outside trying to fix the sensor on my Garage Door opener that had come loose. My neighbor, whose cats I feed when she is gone, stopped by because she was on her way back from the vet with one of the cats. She had her back window rolled down completely and the cat in a carrier. When I told her what I was doing, she parked so she could help me (she is much more mechanically inclined than I). Immediately she opened the back door and took the cat, in her carrier out of the car, even though the window was still open all the way.
Then, as she was working on the sensor I walked over and picked up the carrier and put it inside the (opened) garage with us, out of the sun.

I never even thought about our actions with the kitty until after she left. I live in So. CA. and it was only in thelow 80's Saturday. Yet, between us, we showed much more concern for the cat than this did for his child.

Very sad.

 

[GoBrewers]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

 

[popsicle]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

Did you see the prelim hearing and see the evidence pointing to this being a deliberate act? He did not cry at all until it was about him being a good dad. jmo

 

[TorisMom003]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

I'm confused as to if you are talking about this case where Cooper Harris is the 22 month old boy that died.

The reasons for my confusion are:
1. Harris (father) did NOT cry constantly during the proceedings of the probable cause/bond hearing. Harris remained unmoved when LE was on the stand explaining how Cooper had died and the injuries he sustained. Harris only cried (IMO for himself) when defense witnesses were on the stand speaking about how they support and/or believe Harris.

2. There are no other children in the picture, thank goodness.

3. LE believes this was NOT an accident. There is enough proof provided to the Judge to agree that the warrant stands and that no bond/bail would be issued.

Am I missing something?

 

[believe09]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

Hmm-I am not sure that is true. He showed very little emotion at the bail hearing, which had to be the longest bail hearing in the history of the US btw. Bio mom showed very little either except when sexting came up. His complete lack of appropriate emotion during the interview, the overwhelming smell of the vehicle, his investigation of hot car deaths, his sexting, the smaller tight car seat, the life insurance policies, his visit to his car in the middle of the day...these seem to be signs of premeditation and I have to believe if there is any chance at justice, bio dad will be doing serious jail time. As well as anyone else involved. To murder your child is appalling. To murder your child in such a way...there is little you can do imvho to prove that you should be permitted to have the freedom of society.

 

[chlban]

"Harris passes a parking space, backs the vehicle up several feet and then pulls into a parking space near the back of the lot. Harris then exits the vehicle and walks into his office building," the warrant states.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...b070714hotcardeathnewwarrantsinfo12pstorylink


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Although I use my mirrors in traffic I always look behind me when backing up in a parking lot. There is just too much activity to keep track of because you not only have to worry about vehicles, but also pedestrians. Plus, it is safe to look behind you in a P.L. as you can stop your vehicle before doing so, something you cannot do on the freeway going 65 MPH.

I cannot imagine that I am unique in that.

 

[MissJ]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

JMO
JMO but he cries for himself.

 

[Elley Mae]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

I am taking a wild guess here new, bare with me. Are you by chance for or against the life in prison for murder?

 

[Cinnamon]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

BBM. NOT true!!! I watched the entire 3 hour hearing, and he did NOT cry constantly. In fact, he only dropped a tear or two when they talked about him (JRH), not Copper. I never saw him shed a tear when they discussed Cooper. I, and many other strangers, have shed more tears for that baby than his own parents. moo.

 

[tlcya]

Overlooked amid a torrent of sensational revelations last week about Ross Harris’ behavior before, during and after his son’s death, 22-month-old Cooper’s car seat figures to be a key component in the prosecution’s case against the Home Depot IT specialist.
Search warrants released Monday reveal police are taking a close look at Cooper’s health records to see whether the child was, as his father told detectives, developing normally.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-...rant/ngZty/?ecmp=ajc_social_facebook_2014_sfp

 

[Minette]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

Setting aside all the evidence that points to this being an intentional act, the current charges do not require there to have been any intent. The charges are based on gross criminal negligence and do not require malice or premeditation (though many of us think those were present). Try to think of it this way:

-- If you fail to properly set the gears/parking brakes of your vehicle and it rolls down a hill and crashes into an elderly person and kills him or her, should the negligence be excused because you cry a lot about it?
-- If you fail to lock gate of the fence enclosing your empty swimming pool and a neighbor's kid falls in and breaks his or her neck should you be let off the hook because you feel real bad?
-- If you burn trash in your backyard and fail to put the fire out properly and it catches the neighbors' house on fire and they all die of smoke inhalation should you get nothing worse than a scolding because you would give anything for a 'do-over'?

Or do you believe that you should only get a 'bye' on causing a death by negligence if the deceased is your own flesh and blood?

P.S. The above cited examples depending on the jurisdiction could in fact be considered lesser acts of negligence than causing 'excessive mental and/or physical suffering to a child' by forgetting him in a hot car and letting him roast to death. IMO.

 

[newone]

Overlooked amid a torrent of sensational revelations last week about Ross Harris’ behavior before, during and after his son’s death, 22-month-old Cooper’s car seat figures to be a key component in the prosecution’s case against the Home Depot IT specialist.
Search warrants released Monday reveal police are taking a close look at Cooper’s health records to see whether the child was, as his father told detectives, developing normally.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-...rant/ngZty/?ecmp=ajc_social_facebook_2014_sfp

from your link:

'According to Stoddard, the boy’s parents had purchased a new, forward-facing child seat six weeks ago but, just a few weeks before his death, they switched back to his old seat for reasons not made clear.'

looks like the WS gang was right to keep questioning this

 

[rob]

Pretty sure I read about this from one of the random reddit pages I was checking out. The father cried and had to be put on watch, crying constantly during the procedings. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I think living with the fact you neglected your child and let him essentially melt to death in a car over a period of 7 hours is something jail isn't necessary for.

What he should do is approve a vasectomy and be unable to adopt, possibly removing himself of child custody while he undergoes treatment. I have never had a friend with a child forget about their responsibility, but it's my opinion treatment should be the option along with never being allowed to be unsupervised with kids again. I couldn't imagine forgetting my child, but it appears to me he doesn't need jail to be miserable over what he has done, and I doubt that he ever forgives himself.

I watched the whole thing, plus high-lights on the nite time shows, and he did not constantly cry. If fact, the only time, IMO, he even looked upset was when they brought up his sexting games. AND gum chomping mama looked bored with something better to do.
All JMO

 

[Kensie]

Didn't someone state that the new car seat was left in Tuscaloosa or something like that and that is why the older car seat was being used?