GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #13

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It depends on what he is indicted for. As it stands now, I don't think they can pursue DP. I'm going to try and explain in my next post (and about the grand jury...)

Okay. I'll wait for your next post.
 
Sorry, it's been 24 hours approx. and just now reading this...

So this makes me wonder further -- Is she Catholic? Or is she Protestant attending Catholic school because that's what was available so far as private, Christian schools? Not knowing the answer, I can speculate that either way there were a lot of demands & expectations put upon her re: how to live/plan her life.... if she WAS Catholic, married RH, then "converted" to his Protestant Church, that could have been a MAJOR pressure and sacrifice for her...

None of it relevant to the case, per se, except to try to better understand HER and the marital relationship. IMO.

The fact that they were not married in a church is strong clue in my opinion. If he converted then they probably would've been married in the Catholic church, if it was the other way around the same... but they were married in a park.

I guess the main point I was trying to get across was that although her parents divorced, doesnt mean that she found it to be an easy decision. Its possible she was more conservative or religious than them because of her schooling.
 
As far as I know "child free" forums are for people who do not have children, will never have children, but do not necessarily hate children. RH would have had to pretend he did not have any kids to participate, Imo, though I have never been on Reddit. I have seen other such sites and they just discuss their lifestyles, the benefits of not having children, etc. No one talks about becoming "child free."

Also, unrelated, as far as forgetting Cooper...I imagine there are specialists who will say that RH had a false memory of dropping Cooper off that morning, which is why nothing triggered panic in him during the day. The "memory" would have been from another day ,i.e but seemed real and current to him. (Especially if he had side effects from a drug used to combat low T.) jmo
 
Witness Madden who testified at the PCH claimed it was 20 minutes before LE arrived at Maddio's

RH left The Treehouse at 4:16.

LE responds to the crowd and ruckus at Maddio's at 16:24 (4:24)

Given drive time LE was there almost immediately after RH pulled into the lot.

**UPDATE**Death Investigation (06/18/14 @ 1624 hours in Zone 3) The Cobb County Police Department’s Crimes Against Persons Unit continues to investigate the death of a child, which was discovered yesterday afternoon at 2967 Cobb Parkway S.E. in Atlanta, Georgia.

http://www.cobbcounty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3020:death-investigation&catid=211&Itemid=926
 
This is something I have not seen

Straight frommCobb County PD
http://www.cobbcounty.org/index.php...3020:death-investigation&catid=211&Itemid=926
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Well now we know he wasn't poisoned. In some way I was hoping he had been drugged (so he wouldn't have had to go through any pain) but with all the physical marks he had I knew he wasn't. Him being drugged is the only thing that would explain why JH said he was sleep. No one can fall asleep that fast. All these lies he keeps telling is what makes everyone feel he's guilty. He already knew what he was going to say but none of it makes any sense. His BIGGEST mistake was Chick-Fila if he had not gone there no one would know how long Cooper would have had to fall asleep and for RH to forget about him. I think he just assumed everyone would believe him and not ask questions. But I feel his plans got all messed up when the friends never found Cooper.
 
one of three tweets she sent out apparently just after setting up her account was about how proud her husband would be of her for setting up a twitter account all by herself and that he would have to now show her how all this works. If I remember right it was like 3 tweets maybe in 2011.

I tend to think that LH was not nearly as tech savvy as RH and that she spent far less time online involved in social media than he.

JMO

I've never tried to "tweet". Is it hard to figure out?
 
I've never tried to "tweet". Is it hard to figure out?

I don't think so, it's like anything else, it takes some getting used to and some clicking around, but hard I would say no. IMO
 
nah, not hard at all. If you can post to fb, myspace, or a forum or blog, you can tweet. Its all pretty similar
 
nah, not hard at all. If you can post to fb, myspace, or a forum or blog, you can tweet. Its all pretty similar

So why would you think that LH isn't very tech savvy if Twitter is so easy to use ?
 
Yes, some of their comments are beyond sick...disturbed is more like it. It's comments like those that made me stop reading their comments years ago. I read the article and then I just scroll & roll, or more specifically, I click & close. Moo.

I think the media almost encourages that kind of crap with their "Hot Car Death" thing in every single headline about the case. If you hear that constantly for months, eventually people will start to mock it and make jokes, sadly. (There are a lot of jokes about MH370 due to how the media (CNN, especially) decided to cover it).
 
Alright, this is going to be long. I'm reading some about what RD is charged with and if the DP is on the table. So, first I'm going to post some Georgia statutes.

The statute for murder, at the time of the arrest warrant, read like this:

O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 (2010)
16-5-1. Murder; felony murder

(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.

Now, the new law that went into effect July 1st is this:

(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(e)(1) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.

(2) A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years.

The statute for the death penalty reads as follows:

O.C.G.A. 17-10-30 (2010)
17-10-30. Procedure for imposition of death penalty generally


(a) The death penalty may be imposed for the offenses of aircraft hijacking or treason in any case.

(b) In all cases of other offenses for which the death penalty may be authorized, the judge shall consider, or he shall include in his instructions to the jury for it to consider, any mitigating circumstances or aggravating circumstances otherwise authorized by law and any of the following statutory aggravating circumstances which may be supported by the evidence:

(1) The offense of murder, rape, armed robbery, or kidnapping was committed by a person with a prior record of conviction for a capital felony;

(2) The offense of murder, rape, armed robbery, or kidnapping was committed while the offender was engaged in the commission of another capital felony or aggravated battery, or the offense of murder was committed while the offender was engaged in the commission of burglary or arson in the first degree;

(3) The offender, by his act of murder, armed robbery, or kidnapping, knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person in a public place by means of a weapon or device which would normally be hazardous to the lives of more than one person;

(4) The offender committed the offense of murder for himself or another, for the purpose of receiving money or any other thing of monetary value;

(5) The murder of a judicial officer, former judicial officer, district attorney or solicitor-general, or former district attorney, solicitor, or solicitor-general was committed during or because of the exercise of his or her official duties;

(6) The offender caused or directed another to commit murder or committed murder as an agent or employee of another person;

(7) The offense of murder, rape, armed robbery, or kidnapping was outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible, or inhuman in that it involved torture, depravity of mind, or an aggravated battery to the victim;

(8) The offense of murder was committed against any peace officer, corrections employee, or firefighter while engaged in the performance of his official duties;

(9) The offense of murder was committed by a person in, or who has escaped from, the lawful custody of a peace officer or place of lawful confinement;

(10) The murder was committed for the purpose of avoiding, interfering with, or preventing a lawful arrest or custody in a place of lawful confinement, of himself or another; or

(11) The offense of murder, rape, or kidnapping was committed by a person previously convicted of rape, aggravated sodomy, aggravated child molestation, or aggravated sexual battery.

(c) The statutory instructions as determined by the trial judge to be warranted by the evidence shall be given in charge and in writing to the jury for its deliberation. The jury, if its verdict is a recommendation of death, shall designate in writing, signed by the foreman of the jury, the aggravating circumstance or circumstances which it found beyond a reasonable doubt. In nonjury cases the judge shall make such designation. Except in cases of treason or aircraft hijacking, unless at least one of the statutory aggravating circumstances enumerated in subsection (b) of this Code section is so found, the death penalty shall not be imposed.

Finally, a great summary of how a GJ works here:

In Georgia, all capital felonies must be presented to a grand jury. Certain cases involving other, less severe felonies like shoplifting, credit card transaction fraud, forgery, and entering an auto, are not presented to a grand jury. In these cases, the district attorney may proceed on an "accusation" by filing a written document with the court that allows the case to go forward. This procedure helps to speed up the process. It also eliminates the need to have any witnesses present. Whether a case is presented to a grand jury or proceeds on an accusation, it will be for a grand jury to decide whether to indict persons alleged to have committed a felony. (To indict is to formally charge a suspect with a crime.)

Each county has its own grand jury made up of a group of randomly selected community citizens. In Georgia, grand juries are made up of 16 to 23 registered voters from the county in which they serve. Grand juries that serve three-month terms have varying civil powers and duties. Their chief responsibility is to determine whether to indict people who are brought before them by the district attorney.

Generally speaking, the grand jury hears only some of the evidence in a case-that is, the evidence that the district attorney chooses to present or that the grand jury requests. Defendants do not normally present evidence on their own behalf.

The grand jury decides when it has heard sufficient evidence. Then it will decide whether to accuse the defendant of the crime(s) charged. It will either issue a "true bill" of indictment or a "no bill" of indictment. If a true bill is issued, the accused is formally indicted and charged with the crime. If the grand jury feels there is not enough evidence to charge the defendant, it will issue a "no bill." The defendant will then be released and the charges dropped.

Why is a formal indictment necessary?

A grand jury's review of a case is a constitutional safeguard. It ensures that there is sufficient basis for the charge that a felony has been committed and that there is evidence that the defendant may have committed it.

http://www.georgialegalaid.org/resource/criminal-process-before-the-trial?ref=tv5DL

Ok, the murder charge in the arrest warrant is based off the first ocga murder statute listed. 16-5-1 (c) is the felony murder charge based upon the 2nd degree cruelty charge. My understanding is that felony murder, as listed in it, is not eligible for DP because in RH's case, it doesn't meet any of the criteria listed in 17-10-30 (though to me,17-10-30(7) would fit). UNLESS the 2nd degree cruelty charge is considered a capital felony. I know there is a separate statute listing sentencing for murder and felony murder is a mandatory life sentence with parole eligible at 30 years. If you have no prior felony convictions. I can't find it now, I'm exhausted, but I'll edit this to include it when I do find it.

However, I believe the grand jury indictment replaces the arrest warrant. And since that would be after July 1st (obviously), the new laws apply. So if the first charge remains 2nd degree cruelty to children, the Grand jury would have to use this new murder charge (16-5-1 (d) which has its own sentencing defined in 16-5-1 (e)(2) as a possible sentence of 10 to 30 years). So, I think if the DA presents a 2nd cruelty to children case to the Grand Jury, their hands are tied on the lack of a stiff murder charge.

And, I threw in the info out Gran Juries for good measure. :)

I'm exhausted and dunno if I explained this well. I reserve the right to edit it more. But, for now, I'm done...

Are there any Georgia lawyers in the building? I've got a paralegal cert but, obviously, I'm still learning :)
 
I've never tried to "tweet". Is it hard to figure out?
I just have Twitter for the news feeds. I
Tweeted once to a Chris King because he had something way wrong in an article online. He fixed it and Thanked me. I subscribe to Atlanta news stations, some reporters, CNN, HLN,
and a few others.
I like it because it's real time and instant like Tweeters from court rooms...


Here is a how to if you are interested.
This may just be for a cell, if it isn't what you need just ask and I'll do what I can to find an answer.

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I want to hear more about it. I've been posting on the charges thread and forgot about that new law. Will it affect JRH's charges?
 
Anyone who chooses to discuss other posters rather than the case is going to meet my ray gun. :saber:

Tone it down.
 
Hey PigPong - I would say his offense arguably meets the DP criteria (7)
 
Alright, this is going to be long. I'm reading some about what RD is charged with and if the DP is on the table. So, first I'm going to post some Georgia statutes.

The statute for murder, at the time of the arrest warrant, read like this:



Now, the new law that went into effect July 1st is this:



The statute for the death penalty reads as follows:



Finally, a great summary of how a GJ works here:



Ok, the murder charge in the arrest warrant is based off the first ocga murder statute listed. 16-5-1 (c) is the felony murder charge based upon the 2nd degree cruelty charge. My understanding is that felony murder, as listed in it, is not eligible for DP because in RH's case, it doesn't meet any of the criteria listed in 17-10-30 (though to me,17-10-30(7) would fit). UNLESS the 2nd degree cruelty charge is considered a capital felony. I know there is a separate statute listing sentencing for murder and felony murder is a mandatory life sentence with parole eligible at 30 years. If you have no prior felony convictions. I can't find it now, I'm exhausted, but I'll edit this to include it when I do find it.

However, I believe the grand jury indictment replaces the arrest warrant. And since that would be after July 1st (obviously), the new laws apply. So if the first charge remains 2nd degree cruelty to children, the Grand jury would have to use this new murder charge (16-5-1 (d) which has its own sentencing defined in 16-5-1 (e)(2) as a possible sentence of 10 to 30 years). So, I think if the DA presents a 2nd cruelty to children case to the Grand Jury, their hands are tied on the lack of a stiff murder charge.

And, I threw in the info out Gran Juries for good measure. :)

I'm exhausted and dunno if I explained this well. I reserve the right to edit it more. But, for now, I'm done...

Are there any Georgia lawyers in the building? I've got a paralegal cert but, obviously, I'm still learning :)

Thanks Pigpong. Just so you know, there's a whole 'nother thread for the legal issues. What you said about the life with parole after 30 years is exactly what the Judge said. So it appears he's not looking at this as a DP case unless and until the charges are upgraded. jmo
 
Thanks Pigpong. Just so you know, there's a whole 'nother thread for the legal issues.
What you said about the life with parole after 30 years is exactly what the Judge said. So it appears he's not looking at this as a DP case unless and until the charges are upgraded. jmo

(rbbm)

:tyou: Karmady for bringing this up. I wasn't aware until you posted this. I did a search and here's the link to the other thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...hild-Cruelty-and-Murder-What-does-it-all-mean

HTH

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:eek: Sheeesh who killed the thread? :D j/k

Why are people ignoring the closing comments the judge made about the possibility of the DP? hummmmmm
 
Has his wife been charged yet, or are we still tiptoeing around the comments she made to her husband ... along the lines of ... "did you say too much" and "I wouldn't bring him back even if I could with this mean world of bullying".
 
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