Found Deceased GA - Timothy Cunningham, 35, Chamblee, 12 Feb 2018 #2

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"Originally posted by EA18G

APD needs to back off this. Don't know who they talked with, but the official CDC position is not what APD is spouting."

Maybe APD IS posting what was discussed while interviewing those at the CDC. It could be that it there wasn't a discussion about the "difference in a position and a promotion at the CDC". It seems as though APD is using the two terms synonymously, a matter of semantics. And if it was such a big deal to the CDC..... Why did they wait a month to make the correction? Personally, to me it seems as though CDC needs to back off, stop nit picking, and let APD do their job.

I still think the CDC clarification is all about HIPPA and protecting Tims privacy.
 
Sorry if this type of post is frowned upon, but I just want to say--Wow! You guys are amazing! I haven't participated on Websleuths since the Casey Anthony case went to trial (I had a different user name then). Timothy Cunningham brought me back here. His case is so mystifying. But you all have such sharp eyes and critical minds. Thank you!
 
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/suicide-prevention/suicide-prevention.htm

This article was interesting to me. Several things Tim did are in line here: he was absent from work (presumably) more than usual, there were apparently stressful life events, he seemed confused and angry, he made provisions re: his phone number with the neighbors, he “didn’t seem like himself,” he texted and called his mom the morning he went missing, etc. His family seems to play into one of the myths as well: “He wouldn’t do this.” I believe this goes along with what you’ve shared, liltexans, and it may have affected the speed at which they responded.

(If it did happen, though, it is absolutely not their fault. I can’t imagine the guilt his mom must feel after not answering the text or call.)

Of course, reading the article *after* he has said and done all of those things and gone missing changes the perspective with which one reads it. But in my one personal experience with suicide, the person also said some things prior to dying that only made sense in retrospect. What I thought was a random comment was actually a red flag.

Edited to Add: I know this isn’t groundbreaking information. The possibility of suicide has been widely discussed, but I just thought this article summarized some pertinent points well. It’s very sad to read.
 
I have not walked Whetstone Creek Trail nor have I checked out Standing Peachtree Park, which I believe you also mentioned, Daisy. Will def go to both places this weekend. I lived for a few years in Underwood Hills and as a child grew up in Wildwood (nhood north of Howell Mill/Collier Road intersection). So I feel that same tug of caring that you do and really appreciate your posts.

I’m so glad you’re there and willing to search! The other poster’s suggestion of Spink Collins Park also sounds like a good one.
 
The way the car is parked makes me think of creating the maximum space between the items in the garage and the car so that something large could be carried easily in or out of the garage.
Tim's garage is one with two garage doors. So, you would have to park on one side or the other. In the reflection you see boxes closer to the door to the inside of the house. I also think I see what appears to be a person with a hat on taking the picture, but that does not indicate when it was taken. None of this does show who parked the car in the garage the last time before he went missing.
 
I agree with your husband. As far as I a concerned, the info about the job is a red herring.

HelloThere could maybe shed additional light, but the branch chiefs I worked with were all a good bit older than Tim. It would’ve been notable to me to see someone in that job at age 35. Maybe it’s not uncommon, but it just wasn’t my experience. For that reason, I also think any distress had more to do with his personal issues and internalizing some things at work.
 
A ray of hope to hope on:
He could have voluntarily checked himself into a psych ward. They are confidential... missing or not, they cannot even verify if someone is present.
He worked in the field. It is no one's business if he checked himself into hospital.

There is always hope, no matter what. I don't want to bring you down either, but I think the possibility is pretty remote in my experience.

I worked as a psychiatric nurse on an acute, adult, in-patient, locked unit of a regular hospital for 15 years. I have a detailed post about this very topic upthread ( # 62 ) if you do want to read it.

Though everything you said here about confidentiality is true, our administrators always co-operated with LE.

LE was the exception to the confidentiality rule only in relation to the specific issue about which LE was concerned.

On our unit, that usually involved patients facing arrest, so LE was notified prior to the patient's discharge. They were then waiting at the exit door for them.

( Being the Charge Nurse for the last 7 years I was the liaison between them. )

We never had anyone in a similar situation to Timothy but I feel certain LE would have been notified by administration so LE could stop expending their resources to find him.

I can't say for certain then how LE would handle that information afterwards. I would expect though that they would maintain his confidentiality of location, and simply relate to the family that he was known to be safe.

That would be my expectation, but I'm not an authority on it. Just speaking from my work experience. Other psych units might possibly handle this differently I suppose.

( I try not to use the words 'always and never' to describe any possible situation. )

Also another reason I think it highly unlikely that Timothy is in a psych facility is the fact he's been missing over a month.

Insurance companies have very tight purse strings for psych treatment. A person is fortunate to get even five days authorized for major suicide attempts that have landed them in ICU!

Most patients with less serious suicide attempts are lucky to get two days authorized.

This is one of the biggest hurdles to treatment. Since private pay costs are exorbitant, psychiatric units are closing their doors. They can't stay open on good will alone.

I can't imagine any unit where Timothy could be residing for over a month. Even one at a charitable, non-profit hospital. Acute care treatment would not extend that long.

There are long-term residential centers for treatment but they are not entered lightly. The red tape is enormous, and again, they are not for acute crisis management.

As I said, I'm not speaking as a final authority. Just that I find this possibility remote. I wish somehow he was at a psych facility getting help.

Thank you though for trying to interject hope here...


JMO
 
There is always hope, no matter what. I don't want to bring you down either, but I think the possibility is pretty remote in my experience.

I worked as a psychiatric nurse on an acute, adult, in-patient, locked unit of a regular hospital for 15 years. I have a detailed post about this very topic upthread ( # 62 ) if you do want to read it.

Though everything you said here about confidentiality is true, our administrators always co-operated with LE.

LE was the exception to the confidentiality rule only in relation to the specific issue about which LE was concerned.

On our unit, that usually involved patients facing arrest, so LE was notified prior to the patient's discharge. They were then waiting at the exit door for them.

We never had anyone in a similar situation to Timothy but I feel certain LE would have been notified by administration so LE could stop expending their resources to find him.

I can't say for certain then how LE would handle that information afterwards. I would expect though that they would maintain his confidentiality of location, and simply relate to the family that he was known to be safe.

That would be my expectation, but I'm not an authority on it. Just speaking from my work experience. Other psych units might possibly handle this differently I suppose.

( I try not to use the words 'always and never' to describe any possible situation. )

Also another reason I think it highly unlikely that Timothy is in a psych facility is the fact he's been missing over a month.

Insurance companies have very tight purse strings for psych treatment. A person is fortunate to get even five days authorized for major suicide attempts that have landed them in ICU!

Most patients with less serious suicide attempts are lucky to get two days authorized.

This is one of the biggest hurdles to treatment. Since private pay costs are exorbitant, psychiatric units are closing their doors. They can't stay open on good will alone.

I can't imagine any unit where Timothy could be residing for over a month. Even one at a charitable, non-profit hospital. Acute care treatment would not extend that long.

There are long-term residential centers for treatment but they are not entered lightly. The red tape is enormous, and again, they are not for acute crisis management.

As I said, I'm not speaking as a final authority. Just that I find this possibility remote. I wish somehow he was at a psych facility getting help.

Thank you though for trying to interject hope here...


JMO

But thats the thing, has LE done anything aside from that one press conference? The news orgs have, the CDC put out a second statement..but the family stopped doing tv stuff, and i havent seen LE doing any searches, or anything else since that first press confrence.
 
My experience after two hospitalizations for major depression/suicidal ideation lasted weeks, not days. Approx 7 days in a locked unit and 2 weeks in full time daily treatment. I could not progress to out patient day program without permission from attending psychiatrist and case manager. In one instance, during while attending daily outpatient program, insurance said they thought I had had enough time and should return to work. I successfully argued that I was not ready and facility arranged for more time. All this to say if you have the financial resources and/or good insurance, Tim could easily have been in treatment all this time. People I met while in treatment who had more serious issues were treated for much longer periods of time.
 
My experience after two hospitalizations for major depression/suicidal ideation lasted weeks, not days. Approx 7 days in a locked unit and 2 weeks in full time daily treatment. I could not progress to out patient day program without permission from attending psychiatrist and case manager. In one instance, during while attending daily outpatient program, insurance said they thought I had had enough time and should return to work. I successfully argued that I was not ready and facility arranged for more time. All this to say if you have the financial resources and/or good insurance, Tim could easily have been in treatment all this time. People I met while in treatment who had more serious issues were treated for much longer periods of time.

Please understand I am not challenging your experience at all. I appreciate you sharing it too. I can only speak of my own experience.

Years ago, your experience was the norm at our hospital too. Patients stayed a couple of weeks on our locked unit. They went into out-patient programs that lasted several weeks.

That all changed drastically over the years. Keep in mind too that our hospital is in a large urban city. Our unit was considered one of the best as we became a major referral facility in our state.

Our patients often had a wide range of co-existing serious medical illnesses along with their psychiatric diagnosis. All of our RN staff had critical care experience.

In my experience I have seen insurance companies become tighter and tighter with authorization for treatment. Two hospital psych units and a free-standing psych facility have all closed their doors in our city in the past few years.

We are only one of the few remaining. The only reason our unit is still open is because it is a non-profit hospital that prides itself on providing full service treatment.

I attended many management meetings in which I was shown the statistics proving that our unit was not paying its way, because of lack of insurance authorizations. We were being carried by the good graces of the hospital management.

We had a separate psychiatric team who evaluated patients in the ER and walk-ins. They handled all the insurance authorization. They spoke to us constantly of their frustration with trying to get approval.

That doesn't mean patients were not treated adequately if insurance did not approve their length of stay. Our psychiatrists did not kick patients out before they were ready.

We as staff also lobbied hard too for any patient to stay if we believed it necessary. I never had any psychiatrist overrule my judgement.

That doesn't mean the insurance paid for it. They often did not. The patient didn't either. The hospital ate the costs.

I appreciate your insight, and honestly, I would be so relieved if you are right.

It would be wonderful to find out that Timothy was receiving acute care treatment in any psychiatric unit while missing for over a month...





JMO
 
But thats the thing, has LE done anything aside from that one press conference? The news orgs have, the CDC put out a second statement..but the family stopped doing tv stuff, and i havent seen LE doing any searches, or anything else since that first press confrence.

Do you believe they're telling US everything they're doing? Should they be?

I don't mean that snarky at all. In my opinion, I'm going to trust they are working very hard on this behind the scenes...


JMO
 
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it is still holding out hope that a scientist who has gone missing will be found as the police investigation over the mysterious case extended into its fourth week.

"Today marks one month since Commander Timothy Cunningham was last seen, and we have not given up hope that he will soon be found," Acting CDC Director Anne Schuchat said in a statement. "If Tim reads this message, we hope you come home soon. If anyone reading this has information about the whereabouts of Commander Cunningham, please come forward."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-be-found?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
 
My experience after two hospitalizations for major depression/suicidal ideation lasted weeks, not days. Approx 7 days in a locked unit and 2 weeks in full time daily treatment. I could not progress to out patient day program without permission from attending psychiatrist and case manager. In one instance, during while attending daily outpatient program, insurance said they thought I had had enough time and should return to work. I successfully argued that I was not ready and facility arranged for more time. All this to say if you have the financial resources and/or good insurance, Tim could easily have been in treatment all this time. People I met while in treatment who had more serious issues were treated for much longer periods of time.

Similarly, TC could have checked himself into rehab, which would explain why he allegedly told the neighbor to remove his phone number. His family may not be accepting or comfortable with mental health/drug abuse issues, but given that TC was in the health sciences, I think he would have had access to appropriate resources on his own and may have known he needed to be off the grid for a while (with or without the help of his family).
 
Anyone know if there’s a chance of getting a VI on this thread?


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Anyone know if there’s a chance of getting a VI on this thread?





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A VI for: CDC, family, friends, hospital admitting, psych admitting, whether voluntary, altered menal state from ER therefore involuntary? We have HelloThere and Jazz Tune. Not clear as to which VI you'd prefer, but I'm old and frequently don't quite understand, English not first language. ;/
 
Similarly, TC could have checked himself into rehab, which would explain why he allegedly told the neighbor to remove his phone number. His family may not be accepting or comfortable with mental health/drug abuse issues, but given that TC was in the health sciences, I think he would have had access to appropriate resources on his own and may have known he needed to be off the grid for a while (with or without the help of his family).

As I believe Jazz has mentioned, voluntary check in for rehab or a sub-acute unit is not just walking in. Referrals, ID, insurance cards, etc. are vital. Which is why they wouldn't be in his home but in the locked psych vault upon admittance once verified by attending and on call psych nurse.
 
We don’t have any VIs in this case at this time. Some members may be verified experts, such as nurses or lawyers, but they are not specific to this case.
 
A VI for: CDC, family, friends, hospital admitting, psych admitting, whether voluntary, altered menal state from ER therefore involuntary? We have HelloThere and Jazz Tune. Not clear as to which VI you'd prefer, but I'm old and frequently don't quite understand, English not first language. ;/

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to insiders who know Dr. Cunningham.

I saw the reply that there are none at this time. I was wondering if anyone knew someone they could reach out to.


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A VI for: CDC, family, friends, hospital admitting, psych admitting, whether voluntary, altered menal state from ER therefore involuntary? We have HelloThere and Jazz Tune. Not clear as to which VI you'd prefer, but I'm old and frequently don't quite understand, English not first language. ;/

I’m not “verified” and cannot speak about Tim at all on this forum.
 
I’m not “verified” and cannot speak about Tim at all on this forum.

You are allowed to speak in the same manner as any other member. For example here's an opinion someone recently posted:
Similarly, TC could have checked himself into rehab, which would explain why he allegedly told the neighbor to remove his phone number. His family may not be accepting or comfortable with mental health/drug abuse issues, but given that TC was in the health sciences, I think he would have had access to appropriate resources on his own and may have known he needed to be off the grid for a while (with or without the help of his family).
 

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